The horror of Sept. 11th, 2001

Just as keenly as I sympathize with the families of those in Aghanistan, who lost their loved ones as consequence of "Operation Enduring Freedom", which began on October 7, 2001 (an invasion of Iraq which has continued to this day), in response to 9/11. .....The stated intention of which was to dismantle Al-Qaeda & remove the Taliban from power.

There's a clear presumption here that "we" are "good" and "they" are "evil", so still plenty more to be learned.

Thank you, Builder.
But if only we did learn.
It is the ordinary, innocent people, ordinary citizens who suffer, who endure the often horrific consequences of the actions of deranged ideologues.
And their agendas are so rarely ours.

To be honest, im sick and tired of how much importance has been given to this event in the last 10 years. the USA then went on to wage and unjustified war where a much, much greater number of civilians were killed. Not to mention the hundreds or thousands that die every day out of poverty or civil war in weaker countries.

Yet arent the ordinary citizens the arms that perform the will of these ideologies?

There's a clear presumption here that "we" are "good" and "they" are "evil", so still plenty more to be learned.

Well, it may mean nothing to you, but it's not every day that thousands of civilians are murdered in one's cities. After this, the USA went on to wage a justified war. Few people in history have maintained that a country cannot strike back after being attacked, so you don't have much company there. As for the people killed in our entirely justifed war in Afghanistan, most were killed by Afhgans, not by the US.

Taking the example of Iraq .... I distinctly recall, manored, thousands upon thousands upon thousands of ordinary citizens, all over the planet, demonstrated their opposition to the (then) proposed Iraq invasion, but to no avail.
We believed the arguments for invasion were a lie.
Our fervent wish for our countries not to invade was overruled by the mad ideologue "leaders" whose will prevailed.
Or are you referring to the armed forces of the countries which invaded?
How do you think ordinary citizens could have influenced them?

Okay. Let someone attack and kill 3000 of your own people, then come back and tell us how good they are. I suspect you will be somewhat less confused.

At least today should be reserved for remembrance of people who died from the September 11, 2001 attacks. It would be kind if people waited a few days before resuming criticism of the United States.

We believed the arguments for invasion were a lie.

roger wrote:

Okay. Let someone attack and kill 3000 of your own people, then come back and tell us how good they are. I suspect you will be somewhat less confused.

The terrorists could use this very same argument in their defense =)

wandeljw wrote:

At least today should be reserved for remembrance of people who died from the September 11, 2001 attacks. It would be kind if people waited a few days before resuming criticism of the United States.

I dont think the dead really care, and honestly I have never been a supporter of minutes of silence and similar rituals.

And here you are ready to defend them.

Living Americans care ... you dumb ****.

Its too much to ask for people to make several days of silence everywhere, even in frigging internet forums, because its the 10th anniversary of the death of someone you loved.

Its too much to ask for people to make several days of silence everywhere, even in frigging internet forums, because its the 10th anniversary of the death of someone you loved.