Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

please explain how I am misinterpreting you, and I will with draw my faults....

Your misinterpretation is that correcting errors, pointing out injustices, and arguing against prejudices constitutes something akin to warfare.

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To return to your original question, SpadeMaster: How do you respond to my answer to it?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

No problem at all...Now would you take offense if I said...that atheism itself to me, has everything to do with people willingly choosing to listen to that voice inside them (their consciounce) and outright rejecting it all together, then looking for ways to try to hide and run from it...and that atheism from what I have seen here has WAY more to do with individuals dispelling their doubts, then they do, of portraying facts to provide for believers to reexamine their deities???...No offense....

The conscience is the part of the superego in psychoanalysis that judges the ethical nature of one's actions and thoughts and then transmits such determinations to the ego for consideration. With this definition in mind, it would seem that you are wrong in this assertion seeing as how an overwhelmingly vast majority of our prison population is theistic...unless you're going to claim that our laws are immoral, only serve atheists, and is primarily against Christians?

As far as your claim of atheism is mainly just dispelling our doubts than portraying facts, I would disagree...or at least change the understand of it. There are not really any facts that we can provide to you to allow you to examine/reexamine your belief. To ask for such a thing would be to shift the burden of proof which is disingenuous. The only way in which someone could do such a thing would be to possess all knowledge of everything in every place. Otherwise we will continue to play the game of rationalizing the irrational. The bible states that the universe is about 6000 years old and that we were created from dirt and a rib by a magical sky daddy. This has been disproven which is pretty much the main reason that Jesus was needed to rid ourself of the original sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Despite the disillusion of this people continue to believe because they simply irrationally rationalize this to make sense within their minds. Another example would be that your deity is also attibuted with being both omniscient and omnipotent. There is no logical way that any sentient being could be both, if a sentient being is omniscient (all knowing) then they are a slave to that knowledge and are bound more tightly than any slave thus they are not omnipotent. A famous quote says: Is God powerful enough to change his future mind? If he is then he is not omniscient and if he is not the he is not omnipotent. People "rationalize" this by claim that their deity is not actually omniscient but rather all understanding. As far as when you say that it's about dispelling an individuals doubts, which individual, you or me? If it's me then you are wrong, I don't care about dispelling my doubts, I doubt them for a reason if that reason is ever revoked or found to be irrational then I will them reassess my doubts. Until that time comes there is no reason in attempting to dispell those doubts because it would be futile and a waste of time. To me, faith is the irrational rejection of rational doubt, there honestly is no direct way to debate faith so pretty the only thing we can do in opposition is refute the claims that you (theists) do make so that you will take it upon yourself to appropriately doubt your irrational faith.

I also received a new book for Christmas that I think you might find informative, it's 50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God by Guy P. Harrison. I started reading it an I'm about halfway through and it just made me think about you.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

that is the thing, right there...what I have quoted, how is this in fact any different than asking for a sign to embrace a God???

Oh I get it, in asking for a sign, you already except him? and are looking for him to prove it? and with looking for evidence your saying I know you don't exist, but it is validated by him, you may be inclined to except him....But since he won't you know there is no God??

Sorry to tell you this folks but it ain't much different at all, asking for a sign, and asking for evidence....For when we ask for a sign, it is (most times) to dispel doubts...which is exactly how I take having evidence, to support a God, is...

Thanks for throwing me under the bus! This either implies that you're using me as a scapegoat or that you just couldn't be bothered to find an example for this argument before. You are incorrect here, I'm not asking for a sign from your god, nor do I believe in his existence at all. This is a claim in which you have clearly made and you have also clearly stated that your god (assuming he does exist and you aren't being irrational) refuses to provide any evidence before the rapture. I'm not certain about other people but when I ask for evidence and signs, it's to try and get people to realize that there aren't any and that their belief isn't justified. This leads back into a neverending loop of irrational blind faith because there is nothing else in which you can rely on. As far as the comment that you have quoted from me, I was stating that as a joke, I don't believe in the rapture or any irrational doomsday prophecies. Based on the horrible track record of doomsday predictions, I have no rational choice but to disgard them as false assertions.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Sorry to tell you this folks but it ain't much different at all, asking for a sign, and asking for evidence....For when we ask for a sign, it is (most times) to dispel doubts...which is exactly how I take having evidence, to support a God, is...

Who is "we"? We belong to ourselves as individuals.

If a person believes in God, "others can call it the Universe" you put something out there, tell what it is you want and believe that it will happen, you don't doubt it..... In my opinion that is not asking for a sign at all, that's believing it will happen after asking for something attainable and usually from hard work or effort...

We can not change the World we can try collectively. We can not alter a pending death, we can do alot with ourselves however... We can possibly alter a pending death with ourselves if we believe so much, as we will do everything in that belief , maybe we can prolong it, worse scenario from that belief... Both have occured, one called a Miracle the other called Bravery.

But, the bottom line is it's up to an individual to believe or not to...

How do you guide? Answer people when they ask. How do you dictate? You shove your own opinion/s down other people's throat as if you are the only one correct.

It's a matter of "belief" ... Yet, you believe in God, but you feel that people that do not, have to pose questions in mis-trust... So, is that not a case of each to their own.. Some believe, some don't... As it should be, a peoples choice.

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@Chights47,

Don't give up to soon, keep looking for that sign Chights47 maybe it will come. Be specific about your sign so you will not have any doubts about it when you finally do see it. I asked for my sign to be written in capital letters and for it to be 1o miles high and 100 miles long so that it will be visible for others to see as well, that way I wont be the only one who sees it.

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@ehBeth,

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because it would be honest

Well at least now, I am being honest with you...

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@ehBeth,

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why change the words he used?

Thomas posted very simply and clearly. Responding to something he did not post is not honest.

Define change? Giving my interpretation to what he posted is changing his words??

I am being honest with you, right now

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@Thomas,

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Your misinterpretation is that correcting errors, pointing out injustices, and arguing against prejudices constitutes something akin to warfare.

that is not a misinterpretation...If your doing this, (than to me your taking a warrior stance of these things you listed above)

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Define change? Giving my interpretation to what he posted is changing his words??

yes

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@Chights47,

So then the answer to my question is that my opinion does offend you???Yes?? now you can understand why your opinion offended me....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Thomas has told you directly that you have misinterpreted his words.

You can NOT tell him it is not a misinterpretation. Those are his words. They are not yours to play with.

I'm very disappointed in your determined dishonesty.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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What would you ask Jesus to do for you to prove he is the savior??

Abolish Christianity?

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@Cyracuz,

Wouldn't that be a given?

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@Chights47,

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Thanks for throwing me under the bus! This either implies that you're using me as a scapegoat or that you just couldn't be bothered to find an example for this argument before. You are incorrect here, I'm not asking for a sign from your god, nor do I believe in his existence at all. This is a claim in which you have clearly made and you have also clearly stated that your god (assuming he does exist and you aren't being irrational) refuses to provide any evidence before the rapture. I'm not certain about other people but when I ask for evidence and signs, it's to try and get people to realize that there aren't any and that their belief isn't justified. This leads back into a neverending loop of irrational blind faith because there is nothing else in which you can rely on. As far as the comment that you have quoted from me, I was stating that as a joke, I don't believe in the rapture or any irrational doomsday prophecies. Based on the horrible track record of doomsday predictions, I have no rational choice but to disgard them as false assertions.

I was not throwing you under the bus, I was asking a question that I felt was highlighted with your post...What is the difference to atheists with saying basically the same thing you have...that is not at all implying your the only one who does or says this...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Giving my interpretation to what he posted is changing his words??

on re-reading this, I start to really appreciate Setanta's comments about you

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@ehBeth,

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Thomas has told you directly that you have misinterpreted his words.

And I stand by what I said, I did not misinterpret his words, I used my interpretations on what he said....

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You can NOT tell him it is not a misinterpretation. Those are his words. They are not yours to play with.

I never said he couldn't tell me its a misinterpretation, what I said was tell me how I have done so?? I never said that his origional words were not his, and likewise I have said that my interpretations are my words...

Why are they not mine to play with?? Does he possesivly own them?? once you publicly display them, are they not free for others to talk discuss about them?? Do people not do that with my words??

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I'm very disappointed in your determined dishonesty.

It is in fact not determined dishonesty at all...It is in fact me giving my honest opinion that I have held back for quite some time now....

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@ehBeth,

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on re-reading this, I start to really appreciate Setanta's comments about you

That does not surprise me at all, You did not like my manner, or the way you feel I should act in your head...So therefor, one who persecutes me must be right in what he says??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Why are they not mine to play with?? Does he possesivly own them?? once you publicly display them, are they not free for others to talk/discuss about them?? Do people not do that with my words?? Do you now understand where I am coming from? Do you understand how I feel? Do you understand what so many have done on here to me, and my words while I have been here??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You think you are being persecuted?

I think that most posters have been remarkably restrained in their responses to you.

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