Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

No having a conversation with you and Ragman, are the only lost causes in terms of discussions...the others, I am learning, and I think they are accepting my views as well, even if we disagree....we are having informative, interesting conversations....back and forth...

If you are under the impression that I am one of the people who is starting to accept your views then you are sorely mistaken. Based on what you have asserted about your deity, there is no way that I would ever believe that he actually exists until the rapture seeing as how that is supposedly the only time that he would indeed prove himself...I'm pretty confident that it's all a bunch of **** though...no offense.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

In other words why does/or would a God set the boundries of shared beliefs or no shared beliefs??

I already answered that in the post to which you're responding.

In the post SpadeMaster just cited,Thomas wrote:

To conclude on a personal note: Jonathan Miller, an atheistic intellectual of Jewish decent, once said that the only reason he ever self-identifies as a Jew is to stand up to antisemites. I feel the same way about my atheism.

Like Jews, atheists are facing bigotry from Christians, Muslims, and others. And like the Jewish-born Jonathan Miller, I wish to stand up to religious bigots. That's all.

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I'm not an atheist, but i play one on tee-vee. I'm waiting for a sign from god!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Are you perhaps having trouble differentiating between atheists and agnostics?

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@Setanta,

Sorry Setanta, I tried, I really did...but it seems to me your more about debating about things that are past and gone...and dragging this through the mud once more...with which I am not willing to do...You cunningly and evaisivly dodged most of my questions, that were directed strictly toward yourself... and do not wish to answer them...Since that is the case...I truly have nothing more to say to you except have a nice life...Your now blocked...

BTW: Since you do not feel it is an insult to point out why you "think" someone is hateful or insulting, when they explain why/how they are not meant to be taken that way...When someone who truly is hateful/insulting would have no problem of stating exactly how they felt...(which is not what I did) then I would just like to point out that a 29 year old male (BTW) was more intelligent, rational, and more of a man, than a 60+ year old male in actually ending this type of behavior, and blocking the other one...with which I have now done....have a great life Setanta! Make it a good one!!

And it has nothing to do with not being able to stand the heat or not...(even though I know you believe this is, somehow, someway, a moral victory for you) (which to me, makes me sick) but in any event it has everything to do with embracing and following my beliefs...which are to forgive...that is the basis of why this is going to end...(on my terms) because I really honestly do not wished to be dragged through the mud anymore...as I have said before, go reread all of my posts, you will indeed find what your looking for....Since from the start till now, that was what you were in fact after...and honestly could give a rat's ass about me or my beliefs/feelings etc... Have a great life my friend...If an afterlife exists, I have already blessed and forgave you....

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@Chights47,

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If you are under the impression that I am one of the people who is starting to accept your views then you are sorely mistaken. Based on what you have asserted about your deity, there is no way that I would ever believe that he actually exists until the rapture seeing as how that is supposedly the only time that he would indeed prove himself...I'm pretty confident that it's all a bunch of **** though...no offense.

No problem at all...Now would you take offense if I said...that atheism itself to me, has everything to do with people willingly choosing to listen to that voice inside them (their consciounce) and outright rejecting it all together, then looking for ways to try to hide and run from it...and that atheism from what I have seen here has WAY more to do with individuals dispelling their doubts, then they do, of portraying facts to provide for believers to reexamine their deities???...No offense....

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@ehBeth,

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Are you perhaps having trouble differentiating between atheists and agnostics?

I don't think I am...Why would you ask that question??

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@Thomas,

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Like Jews, atheists are facing bigotry from Christians, Muslims, and others. And like the Jewish-born Jonathan Miller, I wish to stand up to religious bigots. That's all.

So your reason for being called an atheist, is to "so called" slap religious in the face? Did you ever think that embracing people is more beneficial than that of taking a warrior stance?? (at least most of the time)

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

So your reason for being called an atheist

I don't control whether I'm "being called" an atheist, so I couldn't have a reason for it if I wanted to. I was talking about the reason I am calling myself an atheist.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

is to "so called" slap religious in the face?

Not all religious people, only religious bigots. And, standing up to certain behaviors does not constitute a slap in the face.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Did you ever think that embracing people is more beneficial than that of taking a warrior stance?? (at least most of the time)

I am embracing people. I correct their errors about atheists because I care! Speaking of which: In the future, I'd prefer to respond to your critique of what I actually aid, not to the strawmen you set up for argument's sake. This thing about me being aggressive to believers was a strawman.

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@Chights47,

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there is no way that I would ever believe that he actually exists until the rapture seeing as how that is supposedly the only time that he would indeed prove himself

that is the thing, right there...what I have quoted, how is this in fact any different than asking for a sign to embrace a God???

Oh I get it, in asking for a sign, you already except him? and are looking for him to prove it? and with looking for evidence your saying I know you don't exist, but it is validated by him, you may be inclined to except him....But since he won't you know there is no God??

Sorry to tell you this folks but it ain't much different at all, asking for a sign, and asking for evidence....For when we ask for a sign, it is (most times) to dispel doubts...which is exactly how I take having evidence, to support a God, is...

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@Thomas,

So sorry, that is the way I took it...If that is not how you feel, then I guess I missed the point....I did not wish to soothesay the situation...If your fine with that interpretation, I am as well

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@Thomas,

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I don't control whether I'm "being called" an atheist, so I couldn't have a reason for it if I wanted to. I was talking about the reason I am calling myself an atheist.

And the reason is to stand up to religious bigotry??? (that is taking a warrior stance over a peacemaker one in my book)

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Not all religious people, only religious bigots. And, standing up to certain behaviors does not constitute a slap in the face.

If your prepairing for battle, (then you know there is a chance for war)

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I am embracing people. I correct their errors about atheists because I care! Speaking of which: In the future, I'd prefer to respond to your critique of what I actually aid, not to the strawmen you set up for argument's sake. This thing about me being aggressive to believers was a strawman.

please explain how I am misinterpreting you, and I will with draw my faults....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

where does Thomas talk about taking a warrior stance or going into battle?

it appears you're trying to put some theist analogy on top of what he actually posted

Why not just respond to the words he used?

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@ehBeth,

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where does Thomas talk about taking a warrior stance or going into battle?

He did not have to, that was (my interpretation) of what he was in fact saying...

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it appears you're trying to put some theist analogy on top of what he actually posted

Like I said to him, explain my misinterpretations and I will withdraw them...

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Why not just respond to the words he used?

Why should I have too?

Example: That would be the same thing as me saying to you, or any atheist out there for that matter, when you address God, you address him in the way I know him, and only I know him....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Why should I have too?

He's right ehbeth - that would break the troll code of ethics.

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@hingehead,

Do you mean like this in conjunction to my views??

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He's right ehbeth - that would break the troll code of ethics.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You're a mess. Hateful, egotistical, self-promoting, deluded . . .

The claim you made about atheists asking for a sign from god is not "past and gone," it's the reason i'm posting here--that and constantly reminding you of how nasty and hateful you've gotten after being called out and found wanting. As i see it, you can confess the truth--that you made up that bullshit about athesits asking for a sign--or you can step up with your evidence, you can "man-up" to use the idiotic expression you used earlier.

Of course, you could just go away and grow up, but i don't look for that to happen any time soon.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

You have asked me no questions which i do not wish to answer. You're just making **** up again. As for you "blessing" anyone--are you now like Voice, are you claiming to be god? How can you bless anyone?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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Why not just respond to the words he used?

Why should I have too?

because it would be honest

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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where does Thomas talk about taking a warrior stance or going into battle?

He did not have to, that was (my interpretation) of what he was in fact saying...

why change the words he used?

Thomas posted very simply and clearly. Responding to something he did not post is not honest.

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