Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Check this out mate...This has got to be one of the coolest things I have ever seen on here...

http://able2know.org/topic/134068-1

That is cool mate. 123456789 lol but it is true.

Do you think that any of this is true? I think some of it may be wrong and was just curious if you thought the same as me and what it was that you think we may both see as possibly being wrong. Very Happy

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@reasoning logic,

Mate, I do not disagree with anything you have said here or can not dispute any of them...But all those things would be beliefs...and not proof...Even if we thought certain things about each one...We would not be able to prove why we believe them...about any of them...

And I wanted to answer a question you have asked me before....

You posted a video once and asked me if I would want to find a prophetess? or a lady to share my experiences with?

And my answer is, if I was looking...I would not need to find a prophetess to be happy...Or share my experiences with...I would be just as happy with the person I was with if they were not a prophetess...And it would be too much the same and no difference...

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@reasoning logic,

I will be back soon mate...I put it off as long as I could...But I do have to go for a bit...I will be back soon...

I just do not want you to wait if I am not going to be here....

I will watch it when I come back...

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@Frank Apisa,

I can't think of a logical reason why the government doesn't come round to your premises and put you humanely to sleep using the word in the sense that vets do to cat lovers with fucked cats.

I do not feel like a glob of ectoplasm free-floating and isolated from the world's troubles. The terrible claustrophobia of being trapped in the channels of communication suffocating in the nothingness of neither one thing nor the other is not for me.

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C’mon. The heat getting to you?

Marking your own homework again eh? I have never had dealings with a woman, and I have had a lot, who couldn't transcend your heat inducing capacities by parsec dimensions.

I bet I can scroll through Spade's and rl's interchanges faster than you can.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Mate, I do not disagree with anything you have said

Why not? Cant you find some sort of substance to refute what I have said. certainly if it is wrong there should be a hint of something.

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.But all those things would be beliefs..

Rather than believe them why not understand them and at the same time understand that you could be wrong about your understandings?
The last thing that I want anyone to do is believe me because I see a huge fallacy in that.
If I had no choice at all and people had to believe me "then my choice would for them to believe that there is a better way of understanding truth than what I am sharing and what they think is truth and I wish that they would believe that I am wrong in much of what I share and they are wrong too.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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You posted a video once and asked me if I would want to find a prophetess? or a lady to share my experiences with?

Spades!!! She was pretty and you can't get that idea out of you mind of what a wonderful experience it would be for a pretty young lady to back you up the way she backed up her man, I don't blame you. Smile

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I will be back soon mate...I put it off as long as I could.

I know how it is "when you gotta go you gotta go. Wink

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@spendius,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5217072)
I can't think of a logical reason why the government doesn't come round to your premises and put you humanely to sleep using the word in the sense that vets do to cat lovers with fucked cats.

I do not feel like a glob of ectoplasm free-floating and isolated from the world's troubles. The terrible claustrophobia of being trapped in the channels of communication suffocating in the nothingness of neither one thing nor the other is not for me.

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C’mon. The heat getting to you?

Marking your own homework again eh? I have never had dealings with a woman, and I have had a lot, who couldn't transcend your heat inducing capacities by parsec dimensions.

I bet I can scroll through Spade's and rl's interchanges faster than you can.

No need for all that insulting stuff, Spendius. That is a sign of someone without much of quality to say.

In any case, put down the shovel and stop digging. You are already in too deep.

I love ya, Buddy. And my guess is you do scroll through SM and RL's exchanges faster than I, because I often stop to see if anything interesting is going on.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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You posted a video once and asked me if I would want to find a prophetess? or a lady to share my experiences with?

And my answer is, if I was looking...I would not need to find a prophetess to be happy...Or share my experiences with...I would be just as happy with the person I was with if they were not a prophetess...And it would be too much the same and no difference...

I can understand that she would not need to be a prophetess to excite you or should I say humbly support you but I do have a question though and it is, "do you think that the lady may actually believe that she is doing the right thing? Do you think that he could believe that he is doing the right thing? I think that she may think that what she is doing is for the good but I think he is insane but I guess that I see her in the same light but not meaning to mislead people.
Here it is again do you walk away with a different view point than your original?

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@reasoning logic,

How could you say you understand how animals think? Or what Adam and Eve thought? If we do not have beliefs about their thoughts? Or believe what the Bible says about Adam and Eve?

Regardless, if you would want people to understand you may be wrong?

Do you not think, that everyone on here, who is truly not a socio, all of the time, would want everyone to realize that they may be wrong?

And find better ways then theirs? If they are?

Who could say they do not? Except people trolling?

Part of the reasons why people think they are right, is because they also want to be shown to be wrong... Idea

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@reasoning logic,

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Spades!!! She was pretty and you can't get that idea out of you mind of what a wonderful experience it would be for a pretty young lady to back you up the way she backed up her man, I don't blame you.

It does not have anything to do with that at all mate...I never said I would not be with a women I loved if she was a prophetess...I said I would not need one....And from my perspective right now, it would be too much the same...so I would never look for one...But if I did find one, and was in love with her, then I surely would stay with her...

Her looks would not matter to me, if I was in love with her...Anymore than looking for her to have a gift she does not have to have...

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@reasoning logic,

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I can understand that she would not need to be a prophetess to excite you or should I say humbly support you but I do have a question though and it is, "do you think that the lady may actually believe that she is doing the right thing? Do you think that he could believe that he is doing the right thing? I think that she may think that what she is doing is for the good but I think he is insane but I guess that I see her in the same light but not meaning to mislead people.
Here it is again do you walk away with a different view point than your original?

I have seen them both mate...If someone says they have a "gift"...they either do or do not, right?....And if they are giving advice, or inspirational advice, and are not being extreme about what they have to say...Then they have a prophetic gift...And are truly doing great things...but are subject to the wrong they do with it, as well...because they know what is right...

If they go to the extreme's, of saying they are Christ, because the Devil tries to destroy their gift, and kill a Prophet, or Prophetess...Then they have no gift, are not helping anyone spiritually, but are already saved....because they are "ill"

And are deemed "ill"...And are forgiven, and are not held to the same standard for their mistakes....Because they never fully understood what they had...And never used it in the proper ways...And were not deliberately trying to misuse their gift, though they had/have...

It is up to everyone else to know what comes from God and what does not...

I believe that people who know they are doing right...Know that they are, because other people believe that they are, whether they want to admit so, or not....You can just feel it is true...

And I think that people who are not doing right...Or are "ill" everyone knows that they are not doing right...Even if they want to believe that they are... Idea

Like that Asian man who said he was Jesus and was exploiting people.... 2 Cents

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@reasoning logic,

I am sorry mate...I passed out last night...

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@reasoning logic,

It is up to everyone else to know what comes from God and what does not...

I believe that people who know they are doing right...Know that they are, because other people believe that they are, whether they want to admit so, or not....You can just feel it is true...but the prophet does not have to admit this...

And I think that people who are not doing right...Or are "ill" everyone knows that they are not doing right...Even if "the prophet" wants to believe that they are... Like that Asian man who said he was Jesus and was exploiting people...

So once you are deemed with a prophetic gift...Based upon your own actions....It is up to everyone else to decide who they are...But since it comes from a God, it can't be manipulated....And has to be genuine...In other words you can't just say it is not true...Or someone is ill if you do not believe it...Because it works in favor of the person who has the gift...

And if someone says that they have a gift, but you genuinly feel that they do not....Then it works in favor of them not actually being one...

Their strength, power, and validity, is dependant upon the people they talk too...Based upon what they do, and say...Making everyone just as important...in the equation....the prophet...and even more...the other people without a gift...For the Prophet is the servant to others...

And if they are away...And have the gift, and want to be...

Then the prophet can find the understandings they need to find by looking for God....to have revelations to explain how they are wrong...And be more empathetic to the people they preach too....And less about themselves...That is the only way I see it is done...Once with a gift...

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@reasoning logic,

I know, and I do not want to keep talking about this because it is just beating a dead horse...now...

But think about everything I have just said...study the enviroment...And study other peoples actions...very carefully...and their behaviours...

I just gave everyone the "free power" to decide who I am...And someone went thru and voted every post of mine down...

Do you think that really means that they "think" I do NOT have some sort of gift?

Or do you think it means that they "think" I DO have some sort of gift?

And do you think they are trying to manipulate something that they KNOW they can not?

What would I have to say to them to convince their thinking? If they do not believe it is true?

I am just saying this, so that one can see the ways...If they are genuinly looking to see them for themselves...

Because it matters not what I say...But what other people think...

Just think about all of that....with prudence...

And you do not even have to give me any answers...

It was just for your own thinking... Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

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No need for all that insulting stuff, Spendius.

There's not an insult in sight. You're too precious.

Insults are your stock-in-trade. "I'm feeling the heat". I'm "digging a hole". Something that isn't there is "a sign of someone without much of quality to say". Meaningless.

Go through your posts--there's hundreds of that sort of slimy insult. All meaningless. The innuendo. You should know what that's a sign of. You edited one of my posts to make it say something it hadn't said. That's underhanded. Bushwhacking.

I never claimed quality. I'm not sure what quality is. It's a factor with snobs.

I look at Spade's and rl's posts to see if there's anything interesting. I just said that I do it faster than you.

If you can't see that you are marking your own exam papers all the time what can I do about it except point it out. I know why you do it too. Child centred socialisation. Spoiled brat syndrome.

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@reasoning logic,

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Do you think that any of this is true? I think some of it may be wrong and was just curious if you thought the same as me and what it was that you think we may both see as possibly being wrong.

A very exciting story does not have an impact on its validity...It is similiar because this God...Was known before Moses.....

God chose a murderer based upon the faith in his life...Not on the one action...= a forgiving God...(killing what this man had tried to portray) God did not want to kill Moses...He was tempted by the Devil...

Circumcision was the way to make yourself clean in Gods eyes...For whatever reason he chose...

If the Egyptians could do the plagues also or it was the same exact thing...Why would the Egyptians marvel at what was done?

It could not be the exact same...And just because the Bible says too...or also, does not mean it implied the same...But what I have said...Similiar but in a way that they could not duplicate...

The animals were able to survive without polluted water...because the plague was not upon them...

There would be a problem with Frogs if there were millions and millions of them?

God created all the flies after the dead frogs because the frogs could not eat the flies....And it is very easy to see this today with what we know about science?

God did it on purpose because it was a plague...That is not that hard to understand to me personally...

God hardened his heart but he had the free will to let them go...if he wanted to do it...His heart was hardened because he did not let them freely go...

God took every first born...To kill one generation of the Egyptians...because they would not let the Israelites go...They had free will...And his heart was hardened because he would not let them go...

Not because God hardened it so that he would not...And had no choice...

Why would the Egypitians go after the Israelites, if they had no free will?

And did not have a choice to let them freely go? (I wish I seen this earlier, because it killed about 5 min. of what this man is trying to portray in his video)

There is no evidence outside of the Bible because it can not be duplicated...

http://able2know.org/topic/176688-243#post-4990909

That is evidence...

There is no supporting evidence that the Bible is true, because you can not Prove this God...And he is the only real living one...

And he said you could not do it...Has nothing to do with the Egyptians being very maticulus...That just proves the point of believers...

They did not do it...While being maticulus because this God did not allow them too...Don't you think that the Egyptians had tried?

Everything they tried to write down to prove or disprove this God was destroyed...

And anything that anyone does also eventually will...

Till the Revelation...Except the Bible...

It was not bad mate...But I have to say he seemed very arrogant...And condscending thoughout the whole thing....

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@spendius,

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No need for all that insulting stuff, Spendius.

There's not an insult in sight. You're too precious.

Insults are your stock-in-trade. "I'm feeling the heat". I'm "digging a hole". Something that isn't there is "a sign of someone without much of quality to say". Meaningless.

Go through your posts--there's hundreds of that sort of slimy insult. All meaningless. The innuendo. You should know what that's a sign of. You edited one of my posts to make it say something it hadn't said. That's underhanded. Bushwhacking.

I never claimed quality. I'm not sure what quality is. It's a factor with snobs.

I look at Spade's and rl's posts to see if there's anything interesting. I just said that I do it faster than you.

If you can't see that you are marking your own exam papers all the time what can I do about it except point it out. I know why you do it too. Child centred socialisation. Spoiled brat syndrome.

You’ve gotten so out of control, Spendius, you don’t even have the character and decency to put things right when they are staring you in the face. You are left with just bluster to get you through the day...and that seems to be all you are using. You could not even acknowledge when I showed you what you wrote after you denied writing it.

I said something earlier; you responded; I responded to your response and called a couple of errors to your attention…and you have gone ballistic.

If you get under control and tell me what you actually found objectionable in my original comment, we can talk. Otherwise continue to swelter under the heat…and stay without control. There is a certain amount of humor involved in watching what is happening. I will enjoy it as best I can, although I will acknowledge that seeing you in this condition does make me sad.

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@Frank Apisa,

You're seeking rational thought and discussion there? Hope you have low expectations.

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@Ragman,

I always give it a try, Ragman.

My next post to Spendius will be:

I will make the statement I made earlier that started this absurd brouhaha, Spendius…and make it using slightly altered words. If you have any logical argument to make against it, do so.

Any person asserting that there are no gods…is simply stating a guess. The guess is a blind guess, based on extremely ambiguous evidence.

Any person asserting that there is a GOD…or that there are gods…either KNOWS there is a god by some undisputable and irrefutable revelation of that god…or is simply stating a guess. The guess is a blind guess, based on extremely ambiguous evidence.

I also respectfully suggest, Spendius, that you cannot come up with a logical argument to refute any of that.

Do you think that will work?

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