@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:Without facts, people have no right to tell someone else they are wrong. Without being rude, people have no right to tell people their way of living or believing is wrong.
Yeah without facts you can't determine what is right or wrong. However; I don't think it should be supported if someone wants to push a mindset onto others when there are no facts to back up their claims with. This is why I object to religion and religious people WHO (the important word here) think they have the right to do so. Show the facts and then you are all good in my opinion. If you can't present the facts then keep it to yourself. I am not anti-religion unless it is imposed on those who don't want it.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
From reading the Holocaust thread for the past hour, I see a few things :-
Krumple wrote:That's what you think and want to impose on others.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
She makes it here. She uses the word brainwash alot and I sense that she feels that people are like sheep and follow someone who is trying to brainwash other people and therefore imposes their own agenda onto others which she feels is evil.
Not so much just this but when it is put to questioning and people tell me it is off the table. That I can't question someone's beliefs then I know that they have something to hide. We should have every right to question beliefs and especially when they are being used to impose their idea of "morality" onto society. If you want me to live a certain way, fine, but show me your work otherwise I shouldn't have to conform and no one else should.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
I feel that she feels that people are not of themselves, I don't agree. I certainly am.
I think a lot of people just follow along. If someone else becomes emotional over something, so do they but for no good reason other than to follow the herd. They hear some claim and repeat it as if it were fact. This snowballs and then when a person like me comes along and questions the facts, they get branded using derogatory terms. I get called a bigot when I have no hatred or discrimination, I was only questioning the validity of a claim.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
And, I feel that she is not un-like you as in " a believer" only her belief is to question everything that is written, from the past. Perhaps commencing from The Bible which she did believe but now has pulled it to shreds and doesn't believe , it doesn't all add up.
There are many things I use to believe that I don't anymore. Some things were not easy to accept to be true. I would like there to be a god but I honestly don't see how one could exist or why one would exist. Let alone make a universe with this configuration. However; it makes perfect sense that the universe we have would result in this way had it happened completely by accident. This is what I would expect to see, there are lots of clues that it was completely random.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
Anything that she finds fascinating she will pull apart , disect, try to disprove. That includes you, as she does not agree anymore with religion.
There are aspects of religion that are good, but like I said I am not anti-religion or anti-religious. I am against those who impose their beliefs and expect others to live by their set rules of morality. Their take on morality. They want to force me and others to live by their rules. When questioned why these rules, they claim it is the demands of their god. If they come from a god, prove it first before I would consider them, if you can't then keep it to themselves, but they don't.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
She will do facts and figures, question, watch you-tube, read up from the net, listen and then try to solve a reality that she does not believe the documentations are factual, there is probables and possibly a stretch of truth.. But, I don't understand why that is so important to disclaim or try to a historical event as if it's a mission.. I suspect there is a deep rooted reason behind it.
In some of the things I write they are to prove a point, they do have a larger picture to them. It isn't just about the facts alone. They are attempts to show people that certain aspects of character are the problem. Just like within the holocaust thread. Some posters never even took the time to read over my argument. They just immediately went into bashing me and assumed that I was a denier. Others would jump on board and call me a bigot or antisemitic which only proved my point. They didn't care about what I said at all or test it for themselves. They just wanted to scream like all the other member of their tribe to shoo away someone to make me an outsider. They don't care about truth and that is the problem with our society today.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
So Spades, that's only 1/2 of my thoughts and you know, I accept everyone for who they are, as you should. But, I would say, this is all based on her trying to discredit you, as she things you are or will try to brainwash people into believing in the Bible. If you were a Bible basher I wouldn't be here on this thread and you know that. So, I am quite confused as to what in fact she is calling you out on? And, trying to ensure that anyone that reads this thread, will never take anything you say as possible. Other than this is her mission (her beliefs) and so, you have become a part of that..
It isn't about discrediting him. He is a person just like me, and misled just like I was. However; unlike most of the others he is playing a dangerous game. A game that I don't agree with because it undermines this important aspect of humanity that I am trying to plant.
Originally when I started responding to Spade was him asking scientific questions. Which I knew the answers to but they were so elementary in scope I was surprised that he had not just done his own homework on them. I soon began to see a pattern. He didn't care about the answers at all. He would pose a question but had absolutely no care if it would be answered or if someone did answer it, it was as if no one had. He would just forget about it and wait a few days then return and ignore what had been said. He would go right back into his rhetoric.
There is only one explanation for this type of behavior. He is not here to learn anything despite all the questioning. He is not here to grow as a person. He is here for one purpose and one purpose only. To plant this idea that he has direct communication with his deity and that what he says is a source of authority. He knows without this statement what he has to say is meaningless but for him to empower himself he tells people he has communication with his deity. This is nothing more than mind pollution. If not he needs to seek psychological help.
FOUND SOUL wrote:
Which in itself is wrong really because it's cyer space she doesn't know you and can not make an assumption of you in its totality but it's her call as she belongs to herself.
I am sure that there are aspects of spade that are humanist. I don't think he is a wicked person at the core. I think he thinks his intentions are pure and good but they are not. Weather he knows it or not, it is bad. Just how much he knows this would determine just how bad he would be. But I know his reasoning, he thinks there is something good at the other end of this but there is not. It is more harmful than good but he doesn't see it yet, or he refuses to see it all together.
