Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

Better be careful of that, you might get attacked on this site for doing that. If you don't spell perfectly or have perfect grammar they will refuse to take you seriously.

Krumple wrote:

Better be careful of that, you might get attacked on this site for doing that. If you don't spell perfectly or have perfect grammar they will refuse to take you seriously.

FS is lovely, a very pleasant young lady with a heart of gold. She's not an obnoxious opininiated bitch that calls everyone a moron who disagrees with her. Attacking her for her spelling/grammar would be crass and rude.

However, when someone thinks their opininion is so much better than anyone else's, attacks a really nice guy like Spades, and is just foul (note correct spelling) to everyone, then they shouldn't be surprised when their lumbering prose is attacked. If you're going to start calling people morons, you should make sure you don't use cretinous language that would shame a twelve year old.

None of this would really matter if you were just an obnoxious troll, but you've done real harm on this site. The Palestinians are a persecuted people, and you have turned them into a political football for your own selfish, petulant reasons. It's quite disgusting to show such contempt for them, when you're sat in your comfortable American home free from persecution.

Have you done anything at all for the Palestinians other than use them to score cheap points? I am a member of the PSC, I observe the Israeli boycott, and go out of my way to buy Palestinian olive oil, (about the only Palestinian product available.) Have you done anything like that? I would guess not.

The Israeli government/PR machine and Israeli apologists like to portray all criticism of Israel as being rooted in anti-Semitism. I have been called anti-Semitic just for supporting Palestinian human rights. So when a Holocaust denier like you starts talking about Palestine, you're playing right into their hands. ( I have read your posts, you may have modified your stance slightly, but you did start off denying the Holocaust.)

Jews have been persecuted throughout the ages, the Holocaust being an extreme example of that persecution. Just because Israel uses guilt about that persecution to detract from it's treatment of the Palestinians, doesn't mean the persecution didn't happen.

I have spent a long time trying to persuade those people reluctant to criticise Israel of the facts surrounding the occupation. In one fell swoop you have undermined the good work people like myself and Infra Blue have been doing to increase awareness of the horrors of the occupation.

Many members of the Jewish diaspora are very reluctant to criticise Israel, they fear that anti-Semitism will rise up again, and if Israel is not there to shelter them, they will watch their loves ones perish in the gas chambers. This fear is something the Israeli PR machine likes to exploit, so when you start claiming the Holocaust didn't happen/wasn't all that bad, and saying anyone who doesn't agree with you is a moron, you are doing Israel's job for them.

You don't seem to realise the Palestinians are people, they are suffering under a brutal occupation, and you've made that suffering just a little bit worse for your own selfish ends.

You really are beneath contempt.

Thanks for confirming that you're a selfish bitch who has no concern for anyone else.

It's not surprising that you would confuse fellow feeling for a persecuted people with crying.

You're obviously incapable of feeling anything for anyone other than yourself. You really are a complete ****.

No, I've pointed out exactly what you have done, and the sort of person you are. If you don't like the sort of person you've become you only have yourself to blame. Your posts would indicate that you're still blaming others instead of taking responsibility for your own actions.

You cast yourself as a victim because people respond in an understandable way when you post offensive and/or insulting comments. It's a rather pathetic form of attention seeking, but it does allow you not to face up to what you are.

As long as you can blame others, you let yourself off the hook. That's probably a defence mechanism, because you're seriously fucked up.

I don't want to contribute to your mental illness by saying what I think it is that's fucked you up, but your mask has slipped more than once. Instead of blaming other people for all of life's misfortunes, be they Jew, Christian or whatever, you need to get some counselling. If nothing else, you're desperately unhappy.

Further to the Holocaust, have a look at this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amersfoort_concentration_camp. Now I lived within 1 kilometre of this camp during the war years and can tell you many stories of what I have seen there. Being a young boy, me and my friends were able to enter this camp and bring the prisoners buckets of soup our mothers made. At the same time the Dutch underground passed us messages to deliver to the prisoners. The German guards had no idea what was going on and admired for the job we were doing.

A lot of prisoners weremade to work outside the camp, digging fortifications to stop cars and tanks entering the city. Again us young boys had no problem contacting the prisoners and feeding them. Many prisoners died of malnutrition and the harsh treatment they received. I have seen truck loads full of bodies come out of the camp which were buried in mass graves on the heath area next to the camp. We pointed out these graves to the Authorities after the war when all the bodies were exhumed and given decent burials. You can google Camp Amersfoort and find heaps of information there. Brings back lots of memories of the horrible winter of 1944/45, which is the worst year I experienced in my life. Not only was it an extremely cold winter but there was no power or food available.

This is why I object to religion and religious people WHO (the important word here) think they have the right to do so. Show the facts and then you are all good in my opinion. If you can't present the facts then keep it to yourself

Not so much just this but when it is put to questioning and people tell me it is off the table. That I can't question someone's beliefs then I know that they have something to hide. We should have every right to question beliefs and especially when they are being used to impose their idea of "morality" onto society. If you want me to live a certain way, fine, but show me your work otherwise I shouldn't have to conform and no one else should.

I think a lot of people just follow along. If someone else becomes emotional over something, so do they but for no good reason other than to follow the herd. They hear some claim and repeat it as if it were fact. This snowballs and then when a person like me comes along and questions the facts, they get branded using derogatory terms. I get called a bigot when I have no hatred or discrimination, I was only questioning the validity of a claim.

There are many things I use to believe that I don't anymore. Some things were not easy to accept to be true. I would like there to be a god but I honestly don't see how one could exist or why one would exist. Let alone make a universe with this configuration. However; it makes perfect sense that the universe we have would result in this way had it happened completely by accident. This is what I would expect to see, there are lots of clues that it was completely random.

I am against those who impose their beliefs and expect others to live by their set rules of morality. Their take on morality. They want to force me and others to live by their rules.

like within the holocaust thread. Some posters never even took the time to read over my argument. They just immediately went into bashing me and assumed that I was a denier. Others would jump on board and call me a bigot or antisemitic which only proved my point. They didn't care about what I said at all or test it for themselves.

He is a person just like me, and misled just like I was.

I think he thinks his intentions are pure and good but they are not. Weather he knows it or not, it is bad. Just how much he knows this would determine just how bad he would be. But I know his reasoning, he thinks there is something good at the other end of this but there is not. It is more harmful than good but he doesn't see it yet, or he refuses to see it all together

The Universe could have happened scientifically by pure accident, but why are the male birds the pretty ones and not the female? I've asked this before, and the point of that comment is, how did that happen, who decided that, I can comprehend perhaps "why" it happened but how? By accident?

That is not feasible.

But, it takes that person to agree to live by someone elses set of rules on anything. No one can force anyone, unless they live under someone's roof and can't escape from that.. ? Were you forced to live by someone's rules Krumple? Even as a kid?

For some reason they kept the emaciated and starving ones and gassed the healthy ones.

It is ok to believe in what ever you want to isn't it?

we are born with it and we are born into the beliefs that we hold as well

unless they live under someone's roof and can't escape from that

Sure we see the light at times and see though

Did you want to try to answer that RL? Instead of just stating with all due respect?

It is ok to believe in what ever you want to isn't it?

Does this include that women or blacks should have lesser rights?

Are we smart enough to know good from bad, smart from stupid. Life is a lesson off course we keep learning, we should keep learning. But no one can force us to do anything if we don't want it. Unless we live under their roof and have no choice.