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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 06:31 pm
I really do not hate people for what they believe but it is sad to me that people do believe in some things, I think just are not true.

In my opinion Pat really does go overboard in this video and will come across as hateful to Christians but even so I think he is speaking truth.

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 06:33 pm
@BillRM,
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I love that kind of insane logic an what do you mean by a ghost and where is the hell is your evidence for whatever you mean by a ghost existing.


The word love shouldn't be used in passing... It has a lot of meaning, you seem to use it in humor to defend your own fears ...

I am sure that you can google the word, it exists.

I just offered to RL, to write here somethings I have experienced, you want to call it evidence to back up that they exist? Geez Bill... They're dead.. When you are dead, you'll be part of them, then you can say "**** they exist" till then, it's specualation of what can't seem to be explained as factual, nor explained as non-factual but seems alot of people see the exact same things or the exact same way, prior to googling...
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 06:40 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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If you want me to type away what I saw or heard and you guys try to analize, given I am "normal" not in-sane, then by all means... I am happy to. Because, If I can not work it out and therefore in my mind "have to believe"


You are completely normal believing in ghost because more people believe than do not believe.

It does not make it true but it is normal.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 06:40 pm
@Chights47,
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What's funny is that you believe that when it's our entire brain that is destroyed in death, we seperate from our bodies and our previous minds are whole and well. Based on all the neurological evidences that we have and with all that we know about the mind and brain. Ghosts are little more than a childs irrational dream.
So you are a Scientist? Smile

Scientists claim that when we die, our body weighs less... And, so comes the thought pattern of souls weighing something.. They also conclude when animals die, they weight exactly the same, and so conclude animals have no soul. I tend to argue with that, I think every living animal has a soul.. Our entire body stops functioning, but I definately believe there is a soul... I believe in astro travel, I only believe in this things for things that have happened to me in my life. How, could I walk in somewhere, and say (or anyone) , "I've been here before?" , or explain what a place looks like, and a month later be in that place, and even got the amber light glowing correct, the house description from the outside, and the gardens... A place where a girlfriend merely said she was going to be staying.. No address provided... If I looked dumbfounded when I got there, imagine how she looked when she recalled the "vision" I explained to her a month before...

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If you still persist and think that ghosts exist, then answer me this. If Phineas Gage were a ghost walking the earth now, which personality would he have and what is your reasoning behind your answer?


This is a very good question... But, yes, I do, in any event.. This boils down to what you believe in as far as "If there is a God, and if there is a Devil"...I'd ponder to think that surely as Phineas was sane and of his right mind prior to the illness, that the choice had already been made as to "where he would go upon death" if there is a Heaven and Hell. But, then if there is, one could argue that in the end, the Devil got him. Either is possible I don't think there is an answer for that. Off course those that don't believe in Ghosts/God or the Devil will simply say, none as he would just be dead...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 07:12 pm
@Chights47,
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I would disagree with this, but that would be under the assumption you would actually listen to the science behind the mental processes that go on which lead you to believe these experience are real...you might remember the video I asked you to watch several times a few month back which you refused at every turn?

I am not at all interested in what you think concerning me or not....By your last post...As using me as a lab rat, to do your experiments on...As a reality check to not get your head knocked in like sparring with your brother in law...I am not concerned if you look like a fool to others who say things you can not comprehend either, Like you said in your last post....

Looks like your monkey has evolved into a man???

And the experiment has gone bad, Because the experimenty, has outdone the experimenter....

I am not your lab rat anymore!

Go take a walk outside this comfort zone, challenge yourself...And talk to others who arouse your intellect, that I am not able to do!
Chights47
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 07:20 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:
So you are a Scientist?

Scientists claim that when we die, our body weighs less... And, so comes the thought pattern of souls weighing something.. They also conclude when animals die, they weight exactly the same, and so conclude animals have no soul.
I wouldn't call myself a scientist but I do have an great interest in science, specifically that concerning the brain.

Now with these scientists that say a human body weighs less when dying, did they say a specific reason as to why and provide scientific evidence when proves this is the case? Are these scientists even reputable or are they like Kent Hovind wannabe's? There are plenty of "scientists" that are dumber than even me. Recently, I saw a science video in which a "scientist" "proved" that dinosaurs only lived a few hundred years ago or some such nonsense.


FOUND SOUL wrote:
I tend to argue with that, I think every living animal has a soul.. Our entire body stops functioning, but I definately believe there is a soul... I believe in astro travel, I only believe in this things for things that have happened to me in my life.
What exactly is a soul, what do you mean by that, would that be the same sort of thing as a ghost? Would a ghost simply be the appearance of a persons souls?

FOUND SOUL wrote:
How, could I walk in somewhere, and say (or anyone) , "I've been here before?" , or explain what a place looks like, and a month later be in that place, and even got the amber light glowing correct, the house description from the outside, and the gardens... A place where a girlfriend merely said she was going to be staying.. No address provided... If I looked dumbfounded when I got there, imagine how she looked when she recalled the "vision" I explained to her a month before
Without more specific information and going over a lot of detail, I could only wildly guess as to an answer...which I'm not going to do, but I'm sure there's an explaination whether you are willing/able to see it or not.

FOUND SOUL wrote:
This is a very good question... But, yes, I do, in any event.. This boils down to what you believe in as far as "If there is a God, and if there is a Devil"...I'd ponder to think that surely as Phineas was sane and of his right mind prior to the illness, that the choice had already been made as to "where he would go upon death" if there is a Heaven and Hell. But, then if there is, one could argue that in the end, the Devil got him. Either is possible I don't think there is an answer for that. Off course those that don't believe in Ghosts/God or the Devil will simply say, none as he would just be dead...
This doesn't answer my question at all, in your opinion, if Phineas Gage were walking, floating or whatever around right now, which phineas do you think that he would be and why? In this single question it doesn't matter if he went to heaven or hell, or if the devil got him or whatever. If Phineas were to pop into existence as a ghost right beside you, would he bow and greet you like a gentleman or would he try to get into you pants (I don't mean that offensively that was just his "manners" after his head trauma).
Chights47
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 07:31 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
I am not at all interested in what you think concerning me or not....By your last post...As using me as a lab rat, to do your experiments on...As a reality check to not get your head knocked in like sparring with your brother in law...I am not concerned if you look like a fool to others who say things you can not comprehend either, Like you said in your last post....

Looks like your monkey has evolved into a man???

And the experiment has gone bad, Because the experimenty, has outdone the experimenter....

I am not your lab rat anymore!

Go take a walk outside this comfort zone, challenge yourself...And talk to others who arouse your intellect, that I am not able to do!
I'm afraid I don't understand where at least half of this is coming from. I do not think of you as a "lab rat" or anything near that preposterous nor have any idea where you would have come up with something like that from my posts. I also have no inkling where you got the monkey into a man crap unless that's a continuation of the lab rat thing. This just seems as if you've had a really bad day and you just took it out on me because my last post was a partial apology and explaination and, even after re-reading it, do not see anything that could be misconstrued so horribly. There's no one forcing you to discuss anything with me and no one ever has, if you do not wish to continue then that is your choice to make.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 07:46 pm
@Chights47,
I was under that impression based on these posts...

http://able2know.org/topic/176688-158#post-4952451

http://able2know.org/topic/176688-158#post-4952456

And then this one....

http://able2know.org/topic/176688-159#post-4952658

Am I wrong? Then I must not have my head up my ass? No think I am always right, and can't be wrong??...Nor is it true that a lot of others are significantly smarter than I??

Or it is what you "believe" and you are using me as a lab rat??

Must be one of the 2....

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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 08:52 pm
@Chights47,
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Now with these scientists that say a human body weighs less when dying, did they say a specific reason as to why and provide scientific evidence when proves this is the case?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul

Many philosophical and spiritual systems teach that only humans have souls, while others teach that all living things, and even inanimate objects (such as rivers), have souls. The latter belief is commonly called animism.[2] Soul can function as a synonym for spirit, mind or self;[3] scientific works, in particular, often consider 'soul' as a synonym for 'mind'.

Chights, life is about lessons. My findings on this was looooong ago, I love physcology which also means that I am a logical thinker, and if I can make logical sense out of something first, I will. To answer your question, I think Wiki best answers it..

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What exactly is a soul, what do you mean by that, would that be the same sort of thing as a ghost? Would a ghost simply be the appearance of a persons souls?


To me personally.. The soul is a spiritual being, the essense of nature, yet can walk this earth for ever, therefore not part of a body, seperate from the body yet lives through the body until the body dies... IDK perhaps it then has it's old identity back, for a given time before becoming part of another living thing, to learn life's lessons. There are loads of interpretations attached to just that link, you know I don't read the Bible nor do I want to, but strangely, often, my interpretation when asked and seeking seems to be others too, that do read the Bible or other religious material.

A ghost to me is a "lost soul".. We hear that saying often, but it is referred to also as a living person who has no direction, no "life", therefore no soul.. For a ghost to haunt, as is claimed, they don't want to leave this Earth or the people behind, or they don't know how to move on...

Pretty sure if I googled, there would be alot of simular thoughts there too.

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Without more specific information and going over a lot of detail, I could only wildly guess as to an answer...which I'm not going to do, but I'm sure there's an explaination whether you are willing/able to see it or not.


That's quite condescending... You are basically saying, it would take too long to read, you couldn't be bothered anyway, but hey, without any knowledge I'd have answer you just wouldn't bother taking it into consideration.

It's simple. Our minds are very powerful. Certainly, for instance, one can mentally talk to another person, such as request an object be bought to them, without "words" and it will happen, occur. I've experienced this as well with my Mother, she drove me nuts... That is how powerful a mind is. But, how does a mind predict a place 30 days in advance that the body has never ventured to and no one has described the place to you... All this girl gave me was "See you in a month, I'm coming to Adelaide to stay with Alex at his new home, at Modbury"... (She hadn't seen the house yet) I don't know Alex, nor his house. My answer was " Ah, can see it now, there I am on the front lawn, heeps of trees around, the house is red brick, lounge to the right and two bedrooms to the left, the front porch light is on, it's kind of old, and amber in colour... Then when I turned up a month later, she opened the front door... The house was exactly how I described it, right down to the amber porch light...

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This doesn't answer my question at all, in your opinion, if Phineas Gage were walking, floating or whatever around right now, which phineas do you think that he would be and why? In this single question it doesn't matter if he went to heaven or hell, or if the devil got him or whatever. If Phineas were to pop into existence as a ghost right beside you, would he bow and greet you like a gentleman or would he try to get into you pants (I don't mean that offensively that was just his "manners" after his head trauma).


This did answer your question as I answered it, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear... It does matter because you are using science, a problem with the brain created Phineas to act differently thereafter so which spirit will walk when he dies? The old Phineas or the new? All men try to get into our pants Smile Ok, if I was to answer on my thoughts alone which are still simular to what I answered, it could go either way, but my thoughts personally would be, the old Phineas as this is who he was, his being, his core.. Not the person he become towards the end.

XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 09:05 pm
@reasoning logic,
Other than whatever response Chights gives me....

I do not think it is wise for you to defend people acting sociopathic...

Even if they are your friends....
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 09:09 pm
@izzythepush,
I would n´t go as far as saying that they claim it but I am certainly convinced they believe it and that they suggest it more or less vaguely...obviously such confidence is unfounded and let me just remind people around I am an agnostic with strong tendency´s for atheism in terms of personnel belief...
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 09:22 pm
@Chights47,
Found Soul silly silly quote not Chight47

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Scientists claim that when we die, our body weighs less... And, so comes the thought pattern of souls weighing something.. They also conclude when animals die, they weight exactly the same, and so conclude animals have no soul.


Lost of weight of a human body after death and that somehow prove a soul that happen to had some measurable weight must had been leaving the body I presume!!!!!!!

You got to laugh as such craziness as I can think of many reasons why a newly dead body might change weight without needing a theory of a soul that had some mass to it leaving for heaven.

Let see a human body is a complex and ongoing chemical machine that when shut down at death released gases and liquid and even solids as in the human bowels and bladder releasing some of their content at death.

As far as animals weighting the same after death sorry as I had sadly seen some of my pets discharging bodily fluids right after death at the vet and I do not question that gases was also being released at the same time.

Now it would be amusing if pointless to have a completely seal container and see if we could measure any change of mass after death to see how must a human soul weight.

Having share my life with pets my bet if we could measure the weights of "souls" that most dogs and cats would not only have souls but ones that far out weight any right wing Christian.Wink




FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 09:38 pm
@BillRM,
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Many philosophical and spiritual systems teach that only humans have souls, while others teach that all living things, and even inanimate objects (such as rivers), have souls. The latter belief is commonly called animism.[2] Soul can function as a synonym for spirit, mind or self;[3] scientific works, in particular, often consider 'soul' as a synonym for 'mind'.


Do you ever friggen read anything Bill, or is it always just about you, silly, silly, Bill... This has come fromWik for Gods sake, based on what philosophical (intelligence) people think as well as spiritual systems, churches etc. Not me..

I just happen to agree with both... Now you obviously are not philosophical, nor spiritual so why ya replying? Smile
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Chights47
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 10:06 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
FOUND SOUL wrote:
Chights, life is about lessons. My findings on this was looooong ago, I love physcology which also means that I am a logical thinker, and if I can make logical sense out of something first, I will. To answer your question, I think Wiki best answers it
I believe life is about growth and about the pursuit of perfection and the lessons in life aid us in acheiving those goals. Just because you have a love of psychology, doesn't necessarily mean you are a logical thinker, but neither does it mean that you aren't. We are such complex beings that I'm positive there are numerous people who love psychology but are completely irrational. Also, wikipedia says that that study about the weight before and after death was never reproduced and was shown to have little to no scientific merit. That study was also done in 1907...we've made a lot of real progress since then.

FOUND SOUL wrote:
To me personally.. The soul is a spiritual being, the essense of nature, yet can walk this earth for ever, therefore not part of a body, seperate from the body yet lives through the body until the body dies... IDK perhaps it then has it's old identity back, for a given time before becoming part of another living thing, to learn life's lessons. There are loads of interpretations attached to just that link, you know I don't read the Bible nor do I want to, but strangely, often, my interpretation when asked and seeking seems to be others too, that do read the Bible or other religious material.
I just want to take a moment to thank you for those first 3 words. To me that shows that this is just what you happen to believe but are asserting it as absolute truth whether you believe it to be or not...hopefully that the intention behind it. What I don't like about this is that it's purely philosophical and in the realm of philosophy, facts don't mean as much. There no credible evidence for this and since it's in the realm of what we don't know I can't really contest it without just being little more than a battle of belief. Really the only thing that I can say in addition to the previous evidence about the mind/soul being dependent upon the health and physiology of the brain would be that since there is no evidence to support your claim and since science has attempted to find those answers and failed, I will have to assume that it is not true until a time comes where it can be proven.

FOUND SOUL wrote:
That's quite condescending... You are basically saying, it would take too long to read, you couldn't be bothered anyway, but hey, without any knowledge I'd have answer you just wouldn't bother taking it into consideration.
I didn't mean it as such, what I meant what that in order to do anything but make wild guesses I would need a lot of personal information about you which I highly doubt that you would give me. As far as you entering a new place and getting the feeling that you've been there before, it would depend on exactly what you mean by that. Do you actually feel like you have been in that exact same place where everything were the same or does it just have a familiar vibe, this is just one of many many questions that I would have to ask to even beginning to give"guesstimates". Not to sound inconsiderate, but the payoff for that much attempted work doesn't seem like it would benefit either of us regardless of the more personal questions I would need to ask. It's also not so much that they are personal questions, but I would need to familiarize myself with your thought process which takes time, and considering as how we only really have online discussions in would take an exorbitant amount of time. All that in attempt to take away one straw from a haystack, I think it would be a waste of both of our times, not that you are a waste of time mind you...I'm just trying to be honest but not offensive.

FOUND SOUL wrote:
This did answer your question as I answered it, it just wasn't what you wanted to hear... It does matter because you are using science, a problem with the brain created Phineas to act differently thereafter so which spirit will walk when he dies? The old Phineas or the new? All men try to get into our pants Ok, if I was to answer on my thoughts alone which are still simular to what I answered, it could go either way, but my thoughts personally would be, the old Phineas as this is who he was, his being, his core.. Not the person he become towards the end.
No it didn't, that entire part was just you stating possibilities, you answer may have been implied but I prefer direct concrete answers. So then what happens to the person that lived about 1/3rd of Phineas's life? His entire being and core fundamentally shifted at the time of the accident when he was 25, basically becoming a new person due to head trauma, and 11 years later he died. So for 25 years he was Phineas 1, and for 11 years he was phineas 2, but only phineas 1 counts because he was there first, or what? What happens to phineas 2 though? Does he just poof into nothing?
Chights47
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 10:17 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
Other than whatever response Chights gives me....

I do not think it is wise for you to defend people acting sociopathic...

Even if they are your friends....
I think this is just completely uncalled for and petty. In no way have I acted like a sociopath and in no way have I attempted to malicious harm you in such a needless way. Yes I have said hurtful things but only in attempt to help you nd never with such malicious intent. Who do you help by saying such things? You only selfishly make yourself feel better at the expense of others and that makes you truly pathetic. You try and defend yourself and say your a good person but look at this evil, spiteful post, can you feel the malicious hatred dripping from it? I can...
Chights47
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 10:18 pm
@BillRM,
Don't worry Bill, If you actually researched if further you would see that it was done back in 1907 and it was discredited and said to have little to no scientific merit.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 10:43 pm
@Chights47,
I did not mean it as malicious...Matter of fact, the way I posted it was because after further reading your posts...I took a step back, and am waiting for your reply as to how exactly you feel about me...Because I honestly think you did not mean it in a sociopathic way, that is why I said other than Chights...

I am not a malicious person...I am at times? Sure, like everyone else...Does not excuse it...But I was not trying to be malicious, perhaps it came out wrong...

I am interested in your answer toward me...

And I will update what I meant to Logic...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 10:56 pm
@reasoning logic,
I do not think it is wise for you to defend people acting sociopathic...

Even if they are your friends....

Let me clarify for you...

I did not agree with Izzy, that you are in a thinking that your superior....I have never found that to be the case...I have not been here long, but I have never seen it...

I like both of you....

I "personally" feel it is not a wise thing to do to defend Fil, and Fido is those comments they made...Even if they are your friends...both of what they said were acting sociopathic, which you think everyone has a nature of...unless fido was joking, but it did not seem like he was to me...

I would say I do not find you to think you are superior so much so, that I think your someone who asks a lot of questions, and puts out your points...I do not believe that is an act of sociopathy, or of superiority...

I think that sometimes your a little extravagant with believing everything you see on a website like youtube, and take it overboard, because anyone on there can post just about anything, so the source (to me) is not reliable, or stable, somethings could be very interesting, and important, some are not at all...

So much so, that after asking you twice, and you giving your explanations....(by your conduct, which is mostly good, and the way you ask questions) I still do not understand by your explanations why you call yourself an atheist, and your not an agnostic...(I am not implying I know you better than you know yourself) That is my honest introspection of you...

The only thing I do not understand is why would you take leaps in accepting some of the things people say on youtube? But think a theist, is not plausible??
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 11:11 pm
@Chights47,
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I think this is just completely uncalled for and petty. In no way have I acted like a sociopath and in no way have I attempted to malicious harm you in such a needless way. Yes I have said hurtful things but only in attempt to help you nd never with such malicious intent. Who do you help by saying such things? You only selfishly make yourself feel better at the expense of others and that makes you truly pathetic. You try and defend yourself and say your a good person but look at this evil, spiteful post, can you feel the malicious hatred dripping from it? I can...

I do not feel that your a hateful person, and pathetic, nor do I believe you feel that way about me...

I still want to be your friend, and like you...

Answer what you believe about me, and I will tell you what I think...

The post probably came out the wrong way, or you misunderstood my points...It was to point out people who would be acting sociopathic to Logic...

I do not feel that most people are sociopathic...and Do not even believe that Fido, and Fil should not be forgiven for saying such things...

But When I am acting like that, I don't mind and appreciate people telling me how hateful I sound...So if these 2 were to do that, and they should, that they were in the heat of the moment, It would be over with...till they do...I think it is uncalled for...And to someone who believes people act sociopathic...there is no excuse for defending them....

But I do not believe it is a wise thing, for someone "logic" who believes people act sociopathic, to back-up and defend a couple (Fido, and Fil) who "in their eyes" (logic) may be acting sociopathic...

Unless they say that they feel different, or did not mean to be hurtful...

And I stand by my opinion...

And after rereading I do not think you were acting sociopathic...But you were indeed hurtful....

Which is why I said what I said, Because that is how I felt...And that is how I took it by what you said....

I am sorry If I hurt your feelings! I did not mean to....

I am still interested (if you would like to answer) how you feel about me??

(your honest introspection) Because if you do not find what I say viable...Then there is no point to continue to discuss...It will just be mor hurtful **** slung back and forth...and I do not want to do that with another on here!! Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 12 Apr, 2012 12:15 am
@Chights47,
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I believe life is about growth and about the pursuit of perfection and the lessons in life aid us in acheiving those goals.
Can anyone be perfect? Or, is it about learning about your mistakes and not making them again which in itself means you have grown.. I don't personally have any goals that pertain to being perfect.. But, I do hope that I continue to learn in all aspects of life and I believe that I do.

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Just because you have a love of psychology, doesn't necessarily mean you are a logical thinker, but neither does it mean that you aren't. We are such complex beings
.. I don't think that I stated that I was, rather that I will attempt to think logic before making any conclusions but yes, we are very complex beings, women more so Smile

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Also, wikipedia says that that study about the weight before and after death was never reproduced and was shown to have little to no scientific merit. That study was also done in 1907...we've made a lot of real progress since then
. You asked me for evidence. I told you I really didn't have any as such. I remember this from a child, hearing it somewhere.. I googled and found pretty much the theory of belief regarding souls, I am sure that there has been a lot of progress but the fact remains, science can NOT prove ghosts exist, or don't exist, let alone souls.. Who can? No one ever will, it's not something that can be understood, only guestimated.. after all you are talking assumingly about the dead. We are alive.

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I just want to take a moment to thank you for those first 3 words. To me that shows that this is just what you happen to believe but are asserting it as absolute truth whether you believe it to be or not...hopefully that the intention behind it.
I won't ever talk for everyone, or assume that everyone should listen to me, I am in-deed merely saying my point of view as 1 person, so yes that was my intention. I find the whole thing facinating, given my own experiences and in reading others and in the "un-known" non-factuals and not proven. I merely have to make my own judgement calls as you do.

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since science has attempted to find those answers and failed, I will have to assume that it is not true until a time comes where it can be proven.
And, that's your prerogrative.. You prefer to have facts in the answers of science even though it will never be proven one way or the other. Whilst I prefer to assume there has to be something beyond Earth and human life and there has to be spirits/ghosts/souls, because of my "own" experience... that's my prerogrative.. It's just people's opinions at the end of the day.

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As far as you entering a new place and getting the feeling that you've been there before, it would depend on exactly what you mean by that. Do you actually feel like you have been in that exact same place where everything were the same or does it just have a familiar vibe, this is just one of many many questions that I would have to ask to even beginning to give"guesstimates".
. I went into detail of what happened. But to add, certainly on one occasion, I actually had previously "dreamt" or so I thought, of the exact scene as if I had been there before. Certainly, I could have dreamt and just seemed to have got it down packed of what I thought it would look like. Certainly the house I spoke of, maybe there are several that look like that and maybe it was a guess.. But, the amber light is what got me.. Most have clear glass, nearly everyone does if they have a porch light. I do believe that you can astro travel, leave the body, that is why I believe on both occasions I did that.. And, why I obviously believe there are souls. There are more stories.. I think science can explain ESP how "minds can communicate to minds" without words spoken.. But if we are humans can do that, why can we not then see objects in our explanation of "ghosts" as we can't explain that one.

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Not to sound inconsiderate, but the payoff for that much attempted work doesn't seem like it would benefit either of us regardless of the more personal questions I would need to ask. It's also not so much that they are personal questions, but I would need to familiarize myself with your thought process which takes time, and considering as how we only really have online discussions in would take an exorbitant amount of time. All that in attempt to take away one straw from a haystack, I think it would be a waste of both of our times, not that you are a waste of time mind you...I'm just trying to be honest but not offensive.


No offense taken, however, why would you want in any event to disect me unless, you want to understand my mind. What would be the point? I merely wrote a post to show that Science can not and does not prove everything and as such, it then boils down to belief.

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No it didn't, that entire part was just you stating possibilities, you answer may have been implied but I prefer direct concrete answers. So then what happens to the person that lived about 1/3rd of Phineas's life? His entire being and core fundamentally shifted at the time of the accident when he was 25, basically becoming a new person due to head trauma, and 11 years later he died. So for 25 years he was Phineas 1, and for 11 years he was phineas 2, but only phineas 1 counts because he was there first, or what? What happens to phineas 2 though? Does he just poof into nothing?


Yes it did. That was my answer, and then I elaborated on it. The problem is you want me to answer that question to suit the type of reply you want. It doesn't work that way, an answer is an answer if that is what I feel, then that is what I feel.. Like I said, I believe there is a God, there is a Devil and I therefore believe it depends on who won at the end.. That's my belief, sorry about that..

There is only one soul... yet if they are split, or divided, only the strongest part of that soul will win and if there is a God and a Devil, then both would have been fighting over their sides.. If he had 25 years, I still stated I would guess it would be the good side of him... 2/3rd of his life, in logic would agree if that is how a war begins and ends.
 

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