West Memphis 3 Are Going To Be Freed!

@BillRM,

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An you are very cavalier about three convicted children murderers walking free.

The state would have had the option of giving them new trials rather than the plea deal they offered. The state would very likely never have been able to convict them again now, and that is why they offered the Alford plea.

Had one of the WM3 not been on death row, they might have rejected the Alford plea deal and gone for new trials, but, when your life literally hangs in the balance, you save your life first and worry about clearing your name later.

I don't believe that these three committed the murders--regardless of the jury verdicts. The same way I do believe that O.J. did commit the murders in his case, regardless of the jury verdict in his criminal trial.

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"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer," said English jurist William Blackstone

And, when it comes to imposing the death penalty, which I do not support, I'd rather that 100 guilty persons go free than put one innocent man to his death.

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@Arella Mae,

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The DNA of his that was found can easily be explained away since he lived in the same house. His hair being there could be secondary transference easily.

So we agree that DNA from a family member is meaningless.

Hell every time I get near a dog he or she tell me that my cats had placed their DNA on me and my clothing.

Right after 911 a dog at the airline boarding gate who I guess was there for detecting bombs went crazy smelling my pant legs.

The handler needed to laugh when I said to his dog yes I live with cats.

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@firefly,

We are not suppose to care what you think or I think or a million AMs think only a jury or in this case two juries opinions should matter and in this case that was not true.

As far as a new trial why in the hell would a lack of DNA on the evidences of the three murderers after two decades call for a new trial?

Once more if I been in charge they would not have gotten a deal unless they all took polygraph tests and pass them.

To me the odds are very good indeed that three murderers walk free.

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@firefly,

I guess he doesn't realize people can pass a polygraph and be completely guilty? Or not pass and be completely innocent? That is why they are not ADMISSIBLE in court.

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@BillRM,

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As far as a new trial why in the hell would a lack of DNA on the evidences of the three murderers after two decades call for a new trial?

Because the lack of their DNA at the crime scene was significant, it was new evidence, possibly exculpatory evidence, and there were issues of judicial misconduct raised, and the latest ruling of the Arkansas State Supreme Court was clearly pointing to the possibility of granting them new trials.

Do you think this Alford plea deal just came out of the blue? Or because Johnny Depp was supporting them?

There were years and years of appeals and rulings in this case--mainly on Damien Echol's behalf. And the possibility of new trials was definitely on the horizon--and the prosecutors did not want to have to re-try these three men.

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Once more if I been in charge they would not have gotten a deal unless they all took polygraph tests and pass them.

The state says they are guilty--why would they want them to pass a polygraph. Laughing

Keep proving just how ignorant and stupid you are. It's fascinating to watch. Just when I think you can't sound any dumber, you outdo yourself Laughing

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae, the idiot doesn't realize the state wouldn't want them to be able to pass a polygraph test--that would only help to confirm that the state had kept the wrong people locked up for 18 years, and nearly executed one of them.

We are in the presence of truely monumental stupidly. Laughing

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@firefly,

How he can put so much faith into something that is not even admissible in court is beyond me but, then again, it's bill so...........................

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@Arella Mae,

Back in a minute.

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@ossobuco,

Here ya go, says she of little patience...
I'm not as nice of all of you..

http://able2know.org/topic/138895-1

I may be about to rejoin it. We'll see.

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@Arella Mae,

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How he can put so much faith into something that is not even admissible in court is beyond me but, then again, it's bill so...........................

That's true, Arella Mae, but I think you are missing the point of just how crazy and illogical he is.

BillRM wanted the state to give them polygraphs before releasing them, but he wanted the state to release the WM3 only if the polygraphs indicated they were innocent. Now why on earth would the state even want to do that? Rolling Eyes

Why would the state want to do polygraphs which might suggest they had the wrong three people locked up for 18 years, and nearly executed one of them? If the state was willing to risk that, they would have given them new trials, since everything was moving in that direction. The state couldn't take the risk of new trials, they'd never be able to convict those three now. So, the state found a way to get a guilty plea out of them so they could release them and avoid new trials. The last thing on earth the state would want to do is give them polygraphs that might suggest they were not guilty. Laughing

He's really gone beyond absurd. He's so crazy it's really funny. He's making no sense. Laughing

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@ossobuco,

Thank you Osso! I will get to reading and catching up. I appreciate it.

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@firefly,

He only wants to cause strife. He's like a little child, any attention is attention and he obviously doesn't have enough self-respect to stop. You gotta feel sorry for that.

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@Arella Mae,

This case is a good argument against the death penalty.

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@firefly,

I certainly can't argue with that. I am not a big fan either way of the death penalty. On one hand, I can see the need for it but, then I think of how Damien might have died an innocent man and I cannot be for it. It's not as black and white as I wish it could be.

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@Arella Mae,

That will take a while. Take your time.

Easier for me as I've one poster blocked now and that speeds things up. I just reread it, still interesting.

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@Arella Mae,

A movie based on Mara Leveritt's 2003 book, Devil's Knot: The True Story of the West Memphis Three, has been in pre-production and is ready to start production in spring of next year. The timing really couldn't have been better because of the suddenly renewed interest in the case, but the project's been in the works since 2006.
http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/west-memphis-3-feature-film-eyes-spring-shoot-with-atom-egoyan-directing/

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@Arella Mae,

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I guess he doesn't realize people can pass a polygraph and be completely guilty? Or not pass and be completely innocent? That is why they are not ADMISSIBLE in court.

In 19 states by agreement of both parties polygraph results are admissible in courts of law and they are a tool for investigation at both the state and federal level of our government.

Now dear heart as unlike your Christian god we being human can never be 100 percent sure of anything but given that we have three gentlemen here so let run the odds

That all three of them failing when they are innocent would be .01 percent and the chance of all three of them passing when all three are innocents would be 73 percent. Assuming a 90 percents accurately range in the hands of a top expert.

So if one pass we would let all of them have their deal and that seem more then fair to me considering that two juries found them guilty of killing three children.

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@firefly,

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A movie based on Mara Leveritt's 2003 book, Devil's Knot: The True Story of the West Memphis Three, has been in pre-production and is ready to start production in spring of next year. The timing really couldn't have been better because of the suddenly renewed interest in the case, but the project's been in the works since 2006.

There is big money is selling the idea that these men are innocent.

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@firefly,

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Why would the state want to do polygraphs which might suggest they had the wrong three people locked up for 18 years, and nearly executed one of them?

Maybe because I am assuming that even prosecutors sometime care if people are innocent or guilty of a crime of killing three children.

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Lie detector test results are NOT admissible in ARKANSAS, where this trial took place.

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Arkansas Lie Detector Tests: What you need to know

Evidence. The results of a lie detector test are not admissible as evidence in a proceeding in criminal court (AR Code Sec. 17-39-105).

http://www.blr.com/HR-Employment/HR-Administration/Lie-Detector-Tests-in-Arkansas

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