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McDonald’s announces new Sad Meals

 
 
hamilton
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:53 am
@Setanta,
that makes sense.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 03:39 pm
@CalamityJane,
IN and out is the best - but unfortunately there are none in Mass.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 03:45 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

IN and out is the best - but unfortunately there are none in Mass.
I have never understood the love affair with in/out...the fries suck, and they are not cheap by any means.
Linkat
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 03:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
its the burger - awesome - all fresh ingredients. They cut the fries there - that is the fry attaction.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:02 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

its the burger - awesome - all fresh ingredients. They cut the fries there - that is the fry attaction.
Right, the double/double has 1440 mg sodium so of course it is going to be good, but the frys still suck, knowing that they are fresh cut does not make them taste any better. The fries might be better with more salt, right now they have only 225 mg where as a McDonald large has 350mg, but they will still be a soggy mess.

http://www.in-n-out.com/nutritional_info.asp

http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/nutrition-calories/food/mcdonalds/large-fry/
Linkat
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
I never said it was healthy - whenever I get something like that though I was always just get the regular burger (no bacon/double/quarter pounder/super dooper) - just like the basic. And I so rarely get it so I don't pay attention to how good or bad it is for me.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:35 pm
Of course it's not healthy! None of the hamburger places are, but if you
indulge in all the fat and calories and what not, let it be a good one, and in-n-out is fantastic! We probably go once or twice a month for a hamburger an then I don't care about the calories, sodium or fat content - it's not enough to clog up my arteries.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:41 pm
@CalamityJane,
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Of course it's not healthy! None of the hamburger places are
So is it OK the McD's as been the subject of extensive criticism for their Nutrition content?? We all know that this stuff is not health food, we go there anyways, so leave the company alone...right?
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
No, McD is different! They deliberately cater to children with toys and "happy meals" (in-n-out does not), and unfortunately there are too many parents out there who will give their offspring McD 5 x a week, if not 7 x - and for these kids it's important to have some nutrition in their happy meal. That's what this thread is about: apple slices in happy meals!

Kids need proper nutrition and kids don't know what's good for them, so
it's their parents and/or in this case McD who are trying a semi healthy approach. I am all for it!!

However, if I choose to go to a hamburger place that doesn't necessarily
cater to children (as McD does), I am perfectly aware that it ain't "Yogi, the Vegan".
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 06:22 pm
@CalamityJane,
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They deliberately cater to children with toys and "happy meals" (in-n-out does not), and unfortunately there are too many parents out there who will give their offspring McD 5 x a week, if not 7 x - and for these kids it's important to have some nutrition in their happy meal.


I see, so in your opinion it is OK to power over parents who refuse to do what you want them to do re food choices for their kids. What else do you feel that you have the right to dictate to parents? Can you force them to put their kids into sports because you think that sports are good for kids? Can you force them to put censoring programs on the computers that kids use to make sure that they dont access porn or unsavory ideas? Can you force them to use public schools so that you can make sure that the kids are taught only what you want them to be taught? Can you outlaw kid entry into WWE or NASCAR because you dont think kids should be exposed to violence (and while we are at it maybe we should make sure that they never see the news of the day either)? ....

Where does taking away parental rights that have always been afforded to parents end? Can you point to even a single place in history where the collective claimed the right to decide for parents what their kids eat?
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 06:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
You see, I have no interest in discussing anything with you - you go from one extreme to the other without even understanding what the subject matter is.

This is my last word to you: if I am a restaurant catering to children with
specific meals and/or toys and make tons of profits from it, it is my responsibility to see to it, that these kids don't get junk food alone.

If you take the food away and have an amusement ride for children, you
have to make darn sure that the kids are safe and necessary precautions
are met. Not because someone is overpowering the parents, no because
it is a joint effort to make sure, all kids are safe.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 07:13 pm
@CalamityJane,
Quote:
Not because someone is overpowering the parents, no because
it is a joint effort to make sure, all kids are safe
"keeping kids safe" is after all the number one excuse used when robbing Americans of our freedom, so naturally you gravitate towards that explanation here....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 07:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
As you may have heard, McDonald's announced Tuesday that it's revamping its Happy Meals to include apples or other fruit as standard instead of an option, make milk the beverage unless a customer asks for soda and reduce the size of the fries portion from 2.4 ounces to 1.1 ounces. All told, the changes are expected to cut the calorie count of a Happy Meal by about 20%. Moreover, the fast-food giant will tinker with its grown-up menu as well, with the aim of cutting (for example) salt content by more than 15% by 2015.

The company denied that political pressure, such as San Francisco's ban on existing Happy Meals, was a major factor. But a lot of for-your-own-good "food policy" types are keen to take credit.

They aren't so keen to associate themselves with the week's other big food announcement: Faced with a consumer revolt, Campbell's is putting salt back in its 31 Select Harvest soups "in an effort to improve the way they taste," as the L.A. Times reported. Investors applauded, with the company's stock price ticking up 1.3%.

Now in a sense, both these stories illustrate a basic process of capitalism at work: Businesses are always experimenting with their offerings in hopes of staying current with consumer trends. And interest in healthier and lower-calorie food options, especially for kids, is definitely one of those trends.

At the same time, successful companies tend to give customers what they actually do like rather than what they know they're supposed to like - a lesson Campbell's learned the hard way.

If anyone's feeling an uneasy soup-stain-on-shirt-front sense of embarrassment, it should be Mayor Bloomberg's Health Department. That department has gone on a huge public campaign to encourage odium for sodium, with processed soup a designated villain, as with a notorious public-service ad showing salt crystals spraying out of a can of the product. Doesn't seem to be working, now, does it?

In fact, the science on salt and health has long been more complicated than you might think. Per Scientific American, "In just the past few months researchers have published seemingly contradictory studies showing that excess sodium in the diet leads to heart attacks, reduces your blood pressure or has no effect at all." This month, the venerable science monthly ran an article by Melinda Wenner Moyer under the startling headline, "It's Time to End the War on Salt." City health commissioner Thomas Farley must have needed reviving with smelling salts, assuming his office hasn't tried to ban those yet.



The political campaigns again and again seem oddly unrelated to the science. The Obama administration's proposed guidelines on marketing purportedly unhealthy foods to kids, for example, are so restrictive that according to a Kraft foods official, "foods like reduced fat peanut butter or 2% milk string cheese could not be advertised to children." Meanwhile, restrictions on "word of mouth" marketing could bring down federal wrath on promoters of Girl Scout cookies. Chocolate milk bans are moving forward in various states and cities despite pleas from school food managers who say it's the only way they can get some kids to drink milk.

As for McDonald's, the company would seem - on the surface, at least - to be taking some fairly daring risks. For example, it's doing away with the gooey caramel dip that is many kids' reason to go with the current apple option.

But most press accounts missed this significant bit of wiggle room the company is giving itself: As USA Today reported, "Customers can get all fries or all apples if they ask," rather than the standard half-portion of both. The company says, by the way, that it doesn't intend to change the price of the meals.

It might also be worth noting that the portion of fries in the current Happy Meal is so big that many kids (especially the littlest) currently wind up sharing it with their parents. Cut off from that covert snack source, some of those parents might well start ordering a bigger portion of fries on their own behalf. I wonder whether anyone at McDonald's headquarters has thought of that.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/07/28/2011-07-28_mcdonalds_happy_meal_move_campbells_soup_choice_shows_absurdity_of_some_governme.html#ixzz1TjhFlwC2


Good news, and McD's comes out ahead either way because the fry portion would shrink from 2.7 oz to 2.2 and the apple portion now comes without the caramel sauce. Basically what we have here is the company shrinking the meal and thus making more profit and also making it more of a pain in ass for the majority to get what they want, and getting complemented for the effort.
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Miss L Toad
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 04:25 am
Where do you think all these extra apples will come from : just grow on trees?

Think again, it's a conspiracy.

More chayote than ever before will be used in the apple pies to cover the shortfall.

Meanwhile the worldwide potato famine will remain underground.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 05:17 am
@Linkat,
I like how you title this thread "sad meals" which goes to show that eating fewer fries in your opinion is "sad".
Linkat
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 07:03 am
@Krumple,
I'm just trying to be funny - I heard some one else call it that and thought it would make a title that would entice people to read....

guess it worked since you read it.
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 07:07 am
@Linkat,
>snort
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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 07:34 am
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

I'm just trying to be funny - I heard some one else call it that and thought it would make a title that would entice people to read....

guess it worked since you read it.


My point is, it shouldn't even be a discussion. Why is mcdonalds changing their menu item a big deal? If you really want to be healthy you wouldn't eat there at all period.

According to an actual mcdonalds manager, a customer has had the option for over 3 years and it still remains an option to have apple slices or not.
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 07:46 am
I still think this is bullshit. And let me begin by saying I am going to get more than a few "hates" due to this post but as usual, I don't care. Very Happy

Parents have such little (perceived) responsibility now anyway with their kids, let’s just take one more decision away from them and make it easier for kids to walk all over their parents. Hell, let's like the kids AND the government run our lives. That will make a great country to live in. One where we get fucked from every angle. Who needs decision making anyway??

The parents who think that McDonalds "lures" kids in are the ones who can't say no. They are the ones who have wild kids in the stores. Unruly kids on the playground. They are the parents who'd rather say yes to appease their 5 year old than to say no and let them scream for 10 minutes. They are the ones who raise brats, bullies and general lazy-ass-entitled-self righteous pricks. The neighbors probably think I try to kill my kid at least once a week the way she screams sometimes. I am not mean to my daughter. I don't hurt her. I don't even yell 98% of the time. However, I REFUSE to negotiate on certain issues. Can she have another cookie? Maybe I'll bend. Does she need to go to bed when it's bed time? Absolutely.

Story for point:
Last night, she didn't want to come in and bathe, and she was so dirty, there was no way she was eating at my dinner table like that; dirt on legs, arms, under nails, face....you name it, it was dirty. I asked for her to go in the house and let grandma help her bathe. She declined. I asked again. She declined. I then stopped asking and told her to go in the house. She still refused. So I just picked her up, screaming, snotting, thrashing pile of "I hate you mom" and took her in, where I calmly walked up the stairs with her unceremoniously flung over my shoulder. I locked us in the bathroom, drew a bath, plunked her in and started bathing her. It took all of 5 minutes, I got her out, still crying and throwing a fit, wrapped her in a towel and set her on the floor to finish her tirade. She finally calmed down and we went to get dressed and go eat.

Point of the story: My four year old is 4. I am the parent. I do what's best for her regardless of her current idea is what is best, even if that means a thrashing, screaming pile of arms and legs. If she wants McDonalds (for whatever reason, be it toy or food) I decide if she gets it. Not her. Not the government. Not the health food nuts. Not McDonalds. No one forces my hand with my kid.

Parents who blame McDonalds have bigger problems than a fast food joint; they have kids running the show.

I for one do not want anyone dictating to me what I can and cannot eat. Or what my kids can and cannot eat. Parents need to shut the **** up about all the things that tempt their kids, MAN UP and start being parents. WE are the adults. WE are the ones in charge. If you're not the one calling the shots in your household, you're doing it wrong and that is your own fault; not McDonalds. There are a million things in life that will tempt our kids. They need to learn to deal with the temptation and then deal with disappointment or the consequences of their actions.

I agree that many parents out there are uneducated and make poor decisions for their kids. But it's been that way since the dawn of time and we've managed to make it this far. Parents have been ruining their kids since time began. Before it was McDonalds, it was spanking or whipping. Or grounding. Or allowing your kid out after 8. Or makeup. Or mini skirts. Or dating. Or the dance. Or or or or or....I could go on and on and on. There will always be bad parents. But why in gods name do we want to make it easier for parents to not be parents??? The difference now is that we've made it easier for parents to allow "soft" kids who can't handle ****.

**Disclaimer: There will be certain circumstances in which this dynamic does not exist or is more challenging due to mental/emotional issues. The above post is meant for 99% of the population.
Linkat
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 07:52 am
@Krumple,
ummm - did you read what I wrote....and what others had - whether people agree with this or not - I think everyone has already agreed that McD is not healthy and you can go there or not.

The question was more centered around - was this a marketing decision/was it pressure from healthy advocates/is this a good business decision, etc.
 

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