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Who is the most persecuted religion?

 
 
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 3 May, 2022 09:20 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

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The second most persecuted group are people with developmental disabilities. They are the most persecuted people in "abletoknow.com". This is because they are so often mocked.


It seems almost like you're making a joke here.


Quite the opposite Bulma.
I am writing about the extreme hypocrisy that "progressives" show. They may talk about 'inclusion' but they show total disdain for those who are too weak to defend themselves. How many times have people on this board mocked people of low intelligence?
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 3 May, 2022 09:33 am
@NealNealNeal,
It is the conservative and religious person who take care of the weak. "Progressives" merely complain that Christians don't do it to the extent that Jesus did and want the government to force social morality on others. It is rare for them to actually help the weak themselves.
Yes, there are some exceptions. However, "progressives" in power are too egotistical to truly care.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Tue 3 May, 2022 01:13 pm
@NealNealNeal,
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Quite the opposite Bulma.
I am writing about the extreme hypocrisy that "progressives" show. They may talk about 'inclusion' but they show total disdain for those who are too weak to defend themselves. How many times have people on this board mocked people of low intelligence?


It's more that they accuse people who are obviously capable of creating essays of being retarded.

How an actual retarded people writes?
Something like "rofl look at that idiot over there, lol he believes inthat (spelling the word or phrase wrong)."

Neal, Leadfoot, Anointed, and me seem to get called low intelligence (or crazy) a far amount, I think. But I haven't actually noticed too many people here with actual low intelligence. Aside from the very people who can only resort to ad hominem arguments. Philistines.
NealNealNeal
 
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Tue 3 May, 2022 02:02 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
I make three points:
(1) A person who claims to be "inclusive" should show respect for all people no matter what the I.Q. of those people are.
(2) "Education" actually is negative if it involves the untrue. It is better to be "uneducated" than to learn what is false.
(3) People like Soros, Biden, and many Democrat leaders are extremely dangerous.
Theo202
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 12:14 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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It's not an ad hominem if it's true and impeaches you or your sources.

Straw man. An ad hom is a criticism which doesn't affect the actual claim, but impeachment involves a criticism which does affect the claim - eg a witness who contradicted themselves.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 08:03 am
@Theo202,
It's ad hominem, period.

An argument that relies on attacking the person has no merit regardless of whether the point about the person is correct.

Some imaginary debate in Ancient Greece on whether or not to go to war with Rome.
"Brothers and sisters, hear me this day! Rome has enacted harsh taxes upon us. It has burned our ships, not only for war but also for fishing. It has has taken our grain. And let us not forget the treatment our women suffered when..."
" He has a wart!!! Don't listen to this man! He is ugly, so he must be stupid! We should not go to war with Rome! "

(Loud cheering as the crowd thinks Person B won the argument)

Until Person B explains why Person A's argument about Roman aggression is wrong, the fact that he does in fact have a wart is just a distraction from the fact that Person B has no argument. (Politicians manage this all the time) Neither his character has been impeached, nor has the argument been overturned.

Yeah, I'm a flat Earther. So? My argument usually gets sidetracked by that point. But usually that argument was done anyway, since nobody bothered to disprove it, so I typically am fine talking aboyt something else.

We should go to war with Rome though.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 08:31 am
@NealNealNeal,
I think I agree with all three with clarification.

Point 2 typically refers to such things as indoctrination, though I've willingly embraced some goofy conspiracy theories in my day.

My clarification would be that it is better to have a mind capable of making decisions than either an indoctrinated mind or one unable to question regional assumptions.
I stayed with these guys in Illinois. They ate corn, boiled, and other vegetables, stir fried. It's like they couldn't think of any other way to cook than the one they'd known. I like living in the country, but every now and then you should do stuff that's fun. One night, I used the vegetables to make some pasta. I ate the corn in a milkshake.

And that even if you won't accept you're wrong about something, making minor adjustments to theory is loads better than being hardwired to ignore inconsistencies in your thoughts, or cannot tolerate opposing viewpoints.

There was this guy that was in an anime club with me, I think. He met me in a restaurant by chance on day, and we chatted about geek stuff. At one point in his conversation he talked about how human beings are like robots, they get to a point where something switches them off, and after that everything said just filters out. I maintained that humans have free will and a soul. He was like, "you're Christian aren't you?" And then I saw the light go out for him, as he filtered out everything I said. This is what supposedly he thought only other people did, and now he was walking away in disgust without hearing me.

We'd talked about everything from genetics and robotics to energy beings to comic characters and magic. But spiritual reality was a bridge too far.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 09:52 am
@Theo202,
I leave you to your uneducated knots.
Theo202
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 12:15 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I feel blessed not to have had your education.
Theo202
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 12:17 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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Yeah, I'm a flat Earther. So?

It indicates that you're prepared to think outside the box. It also indicates that you're not that good at thinking things through.
NealNealNeal
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 12:45 pm
@Theo202,
Theo202 wrote:

I feel blessed not to have had your education.
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Now we go from "progressives" to the majority of people.
Most people are uneducated about the Spiritual World.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Wed 4 May, 2022 12:50 pm
@Theo202,
Actually, more than I have an impulsive personality (I've definitely thought this through). Which is consistent with what I know about myself.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 5 May, 2022 08:13 am
@Theo202,
Apparently, you've been blessed with no education at all.
Theo202
 
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Thu 5 May, 2022 03:39 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Apparently, you've been blessed with no education at all.


And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isaiah 29:11-12
bulmabriefs144
 
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Sat 14 May, 2022 07:05 am
@Theo202,
Bumping this. We've gotten closed threads cuz of other discussions.

I maintain that Islam is the LEAST persecuted religion, and it's a toss up btwn Judaism and Christianity.
Theo202
 
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Sat 14 May, 2022 04:02 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
My position is that the most persecuted religion is "truthers". As a religion truthers relate to the people of the way (early first century Messianics, before Paul). Christianity and Islam both endorse the Messiah, so they would both get some pushback from the people of the lie.
The Anointed
 
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Sat 14 May, 2022 06:55 pm
@Theo202,
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.My position is that the most persecuted religion is "truthers". As a religion truthers relate to the people of the way (early first century Messianics, before Paul). Christianity and Islam both endorse the Messiah, so they would both get some pushback from the people of the lie.
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Please reveal the recorded writings of your supposed "truthers" who existed before Paul, of whose exploits, Luke the Gospel writer records?
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Sat 14 May, 2022 09:34 pm
@Theo202,
Why I reject the Revelation has a large portion to do with Islam. Though I agree that people with their own opinions get an awful lot of grief, real truthers are not part of a religious grouping but people who speak their truth at all costs.

When you line Isa and Revelation's "Jesus" up, they are nearly identical. Insane psychopathic types looking to punish the world for supposed sin and wickedness. Further, those who are constantly prepared for end times are basically not able to do or say anything productive. Look at Muslims throughout the world. They live under poverty and other shitty circumstances because of two major reasons: (1) fatalist attitude (the roof leaks, "it's Allah's will" -> standing water because you didn't even try to repair the roof "Allah's will" -> breeding mosquitoes cuz standing water that you didn't bother to dump "Allah's will" -> die of malaria "Allah's will"), (2) end times makes them indifferent to this life except to fight and blame others.

End times are a toxic philosophy that keeps one from understanding that this too will pass. They prevent one for living one's life as one wishes. In this way,but materialism and apocalyptic thinking are the same. Materialism paralyzes one with fear of death, and certainty that this world is the only one. This means that a king or other dictator can basically coerce you into anything under threat of death. Apocalypse is the idea that this world doesn't matter because it's gonna end soon. Such thought likewise paralyzes one with fear. Everything is a sign of the end. Coupled with a frenzied fundamentalism that typically wishes for the horrible death of one's enemies, and you have a crappy mix of ideas.

The real Jesus died on the cross so that our sins are forgiven. Btw, this idea is mentioned as early as the Old Testament. Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 both have this idea (exxept in Jewish Bibles where it's suspiciously absent).
Theo202
 
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Sat 14 May, 2022 11:11 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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The real Jesus died on the cross so that our sins are forgiven. Btw, this idea is mentioned as early as the Old Testament. Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 both have this idea

No, the idea isn't there, that's why it was to be added to John via the story of the spear for the "Word that was pierced".

Psalm 22 isn't about the Messiah:

But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Psalm 22:6

In Isaiah 53 the righteous servant is not killed, although it looks like he was be killed.

He was taken from prison and from judgment...
Isaiah 53:8, KJV
bulmabriefs144
 
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Sun 15 May, 2022 01:08 pm
@Theo202,
I am willing to place betting odds that you have a crappy copy of the Bible.

Let's do a test here.

Isaiah 53 should say the following:
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He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
2 He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.


This passage is about God appointing someone (the Messiah) to bear suffering on behalf of our transgressions. The Jewish authorities didn't like this person, and spent much of their early time writing parody stories about a pervert and a sorcerer. Then around the Middle Ages, they decided to outright remove Messianic references they didn't like and pretend that Christians are the ones that altered their Bibles.

In the Jewish "Bible", it says that Isaiah 53 is actually about Israel. Oh really? So we have 'he' and 'we', and 'we' does not in fact refer to the sinning people of Israel, but somehow both do, and the people of Israel bore suffering without complaining on behalf of the Jewish people?!? Ummm, no, that's a looped sacrifice. It doesn't make any sense.

Or this (Psalm 22):
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My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.


But in the Jewish "Bible", it obscures the part about piercing the hands and feet, and the text has something strange written instead.

https://preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/
Here's a table with some of the more egregious changes.
https://theorthodoxlife.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/lxx_vs_mt3.jpg?w=640&h=826
 

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