@Arella Mae,
I agree that many take ordinary muslims as terrorists. Reminds me of the hugenots - who I know nothing about.
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:
Quote:6,000,000 where jewish
Most were not religious so they could counted as atheists. Atheists were persecuted. Both Christians and Muslims target atheists.
Sorry, most of the Jews killed in the Holocaust where not atheists, since the European Jews were believers, especially the three million Polish Jews.
@Foofie,
You know that how?
I suppose Most is a useful word, but I don't trust it.
The problem with saying that Judaism was the recipient of persecution is that the reason Jews were persecuted was REALLY not for the religion, but for the belief that Jews are a separate people and therefore did not belong where they were.
So, the confusion continues, in that some people think Jews reflect a religion, others think that Jews reflect a people, others think that Jews reflect a race, others think that Jews reflect some combination of the aforementioned definitions.
I think Jews are an historical oddity, since they started out as a people of color, four-thousand years ago, many became like the people where they lived outside of Israel, after the end of ancient Israel, and today are morphing into all new types of hybrids. I think this is due to the reality that some Gentiles like to mate with a Jew?
If the DNA analysis was ever done, many people I believe would be surprised that they carry a Jewish gene or two.
heres the problem already, the discussion has become "jewish"
@BDV,
BDV wrote:
heres the problem already, the discussion has become "jewish"
Might be because persecution to other religions have not been based on religion, unless it is the Christians that live in a land that is not Christian.
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:
Quote:Sorry, most of the Jews killed in the Holocaust where not atheists, since the European Jews were believers, especially the three million Polish Jews.
That claim. How can you say they were all believers? Because they were Jewish?
Because the only non-believing Jews in the first half of the 20th century would have been a handful of Communist party members. The rest of European Jews were either Orthodox or at least they believed in a Supreme Being. Few were atheists, as were few Christians. Atheism was a taboo belief at that point in time, based on my reading.
@Foofie,
so its ok to persecute christians in a country thats not chritian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! r u insANE?????????
@Arella Mae,
Quote:This is a serious question. I am not trying to be derogatory or a smart mouth. Do you think they are persecuted in the US because of their religion or because so many view them as terrorists?
That might be a serious question, but it is not a good one. What difference does it make.
Why do you think the Jews were persecuted in the US?
@BDV,
BDV wrote:
so its ok to persecute christians in a country thats not chritian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! r u insANE?????????
Where did I say that? I think you misconstrued a post of mine.
Í'd say over time, and across the globe, "pagans" or other "infidels" have been the most persecuted. It hasn't mattered what one's religious confession were, so long as it were the target of a materially stronger one.
@BDV,
I believe Foofie was saying the opposite. That it's typically Christians moving onto a land not previously occupied by Christians and then persecuting the natives. I agree.
@Arella Mae,
Arella,
I wasn't attacking you personally. I was commenting on your question which I find troubling.
Can you understand how someone of Jewish descent might be upset if you asked them if whether they are persecuted was their religion or how people view them as subversives? It is a question that could be viewed as offensive.
If you are willing to have a discussion, I would be happy to engage with you. I am merely trying to discuss how Jews or Muslims might feel about questions like this.
I don't see what is wrong with questioning your question. If you are not open to being questioned, that perhaps a discussion is impossible.
Arella Mae was asking if Muslims were persecuted for their religion or because of the perception that they are terrorists, not Jews. You're either getting confused, or being willfully disingenuous.
