Is Wiener's wiener a career killer?

@hawkeye10,

Looking at it from another perspective, voters are also liars and cheats, and we're the ones who select our representatives in all levels of government. Isn't that the basis of hypocrisy? If we don't let liars and cheats vote, who will be able to vote?

Also, if history is any indication of our ability to select the best, brightest, and best for our country into government service, we have surely done a poor job of it.

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@hawkeye10,

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Sombody or another has a poll out that has less than 30% of new york state citizens wanting him to quit. This guy should get in front of a camera and proclaim " I work for the Great citizens of New York, I will stay on as long as they want me to serve them, the rest of you all can go to Hell"

AGREE 101 PERCENTS.

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@BillRM,

You both agree that Wiener should get in front of the camera to tell another lie.

You guys are awesome!

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

You both agree that Wiener should get in front of the camera to tell another lie.

You guys are awesome!

Ya, I think that the citizens of NY would eat it up. They have some moxie judging from the NY'ers whom I have met, I think they would love this Wiener guy standing up and telling the mouthy critics to shove off, because the people of NY are in charge. He should flat out dare the ethics committee to take action, he has so far been way too contrite for my liking.

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@hawkeye10,

I hope he stays, one more limp dick - I mean lame duck liberal in Washington is a good thing for the country.

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@H2O MAN,

What lied that the assholes who are trying to overturn the will of the people who send him to congress over private and legal sexual behaviors can go to hell?

Would you like me to begin naming the names of great leaders of this country who would have been driven out of public office from the founding fathers on it such a standard would have been in force?

For one thing we most likely would not have won the revolution war and became a country with out Franklin help who talk France into backing us up with troops and navel forces. Yet this man under your and others on this thread standards would had been ban from servicing as he gave his wife another woman infant son to raised that he had father.

Can not have a man of such low morals in an office of public trust now can we???????? Hell he was never even married legally to his wife as she was legally another man wife!!!!!!!

Hamilton who set up the finance foundation of the country would had been driven out of the office as the Secretary of the Treasury with his work half undone when congress found out that he was being blackmail by the husband of a woman he was having an affair with.

Strangely those first congressmen knew that a private affair was a private affair,

Too bad that some on this thread do not understand that concept.

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@BillRM,

Billie, you must have reading a Wiener tweet because you aren't making any sense here.

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@H2O MAN,

Oh dear heart?

The only problem I had with the gentleman is that he just did not tell poeple like you to go to hell from the first over this matter.

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@BillRM,

Billie, you have a soft spot in your heart for the little prick don't you.

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@Fido,

Fido wrote:

The simple explanation is this... All forms of any sort are held together by trust... Government is a form, and so is marriage, and both require honor and an expression, through oaths of honor... If the weiner does not know that honor must mean something in his marriage, why should any one expect honor out of him in government??? No one besides his wife from his district has given him as much as his wife, and yet she cannot trust him... Why should anyone trust him???

Your thoughts on all this seem rather closed minded to me. Not all of the world operates in the same ways, even in the same years, about what marriage means. There can and have been gender variations, where the groom gets to stray and be applauded (my favorite present example, Berlusconi, primo minister of Italy) whereas a bride that strays in parts of the same country has not so long ago been treated terribly or worse, and that is probably still happening. In some countries, marriage is a sophisticated complexity having to do with care of property and children, and not about lust forevermore.

Even in the puritan US, individuals and individual marriages vary. I was the faithful type, but I only mention that to preclude a variety of taunts; it's really none of your business. In the US, individual marriages differ, no matter what vows were said publicly at the ceremony.

Your and others' marital honor may rest on whereat your penises (penii? - where is George) or vaginas (vaginae?) venture, on or offline, but that is your own honor (honors, as the case may be).

I certainly get the commentary going on that this man has low grasp of political risk, though I tend to doubt it, thinking he probably likes online play risk and embraced the two together.

I rail at him for stupidity and am stopping short of calling for him to step down/not run. Anyway, he'll probably be our next tv blowhard.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

Anyway, he'll probably be our next tv blowhard.

Interesting. I suspect you are right. He'll join Elliot Spitzer in well-paid obscurity.

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@ossobuco,

I see I failed to say that people can be nincompoops in marriage (and that they would be forced to testify about that is itself very odd, short of physical brutality, in my view) and competent in government.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Oh dear heart?

The only problem I had with the gentleman is that he just did not tell poeple like you
to go to hell from the first over this matter.

Bill, it seems that the more u get excited over something, (distracted)
the BETTER your English grammar gets. (U forget to put in the mistakes.)

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Bill, it seems that the more u get excited over something, (distracted)
the BETTER your English grammar gets. (U forget to put in the mistakes.)

It depend more on how many cats I happen to have walking in front of my monitor or trying to sit on my keyboard.

Of course if Hemingway could write his books in Key West with cats all around him I should not complain about mine interfering with my postings.

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@BillRM,

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Bill, it seems that the more u get excited over something, (distracted)
the BETTER your English grammar gets. (U forget to put in the mistakes.)

BillRM wrote:

It depend more on how many cats I happen to have walking in front
of my monitor or trying to sit on my keyboard.

Of course if Hemingway could write his books in Key West with cats
all around him I should not complain about mine interfering with my postings.

I have the fullest confidence in their feline erudition.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

Fido wrote:

The simple explanation is this... All forms of any sort are held together by trust... Government is a form, and so is marriage, and both require honor and an expression, through oaths of honor... If the weiner does not know that honor must mean something in his marriage, why should any one expect honor out of him in government??? No one besides his wife from his district has given him as much as his wife, and yet she cannot trust him... Why should anyone trust him???

Your thoughts on all this seem rather closed minded to me. Not all of the world operates in the same ways, even in the same years, about what marriage means. There can and have been gender variations, where the groom gets to stray and be applauded (my favorite present example, Berlusconi, primo minister of Italy) whereas a bride that strays in parts of the same country has not so long ago been treated terribly or worse, and that is probably still happening. In some countries, marriage is a sophisticated complexity having to do with care of property and children, and not about lust forevermore.

Even in the puritan US, individuals and individual marriages vary. I was the faithful type, but I only mention that to preclude a variety of taunts; it's really none of your business. In the US, individual marriages differ, no matter what vows were said publicly at the ceremony.

Your and others' marital honor may rest on whereat your penises (penii? - where is George) or vaginas (vaginae?) venture, on or offline, but that is your own honor (honors, as the case may be).

I certainly get the commentary going on that this man has low grasp of political risk, though I tend to doubt it, thinking he probably likes online play risk and embraced the two together.

I rail at him for stupidity and am stopping short of calling for him to step down/not run. Anyway, he'll probably be our next tv blowhard.

Honor, and incidentally, sacrifice is a part of all relationships... When people get the sense that they are individuals, and all individuals ARE outlaws, and that morals are subjective and individual, then society has created its own destroyer... Certainly with weiner there was stupidity involved, and hubris, but also, obviously, and troubling is the lonliness expressed in the act... Even in private that man could not bear to be alone... What sort of good government could ever come out of one so motivated by their fears???

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

I see I failed to say that people can be nincompoops in marriage (and that they would be forced to testify about that is itself very odd, short of physical brutality, in my view) and competent in government.

How can you miss the whole point of a thing and be competent in it... I would much rather trust my neighbor as my equal than give a great deal of power to single individuals in order to have their representation... But even with my neighbors in a nearly complete democracy trust would be essential as it is essential in all relationships... Representatives originally represented only 30K each, and now represent over 600K from deliberately divided districts... Because of the numbers the represent and because of the division deliberately fostered by themselves and their parties we most more than ever, and far more than in the past be able to trust these people to do what is morally right rather than what is politically expediant...

We could once count on many people from small districts sharing the same concerns, and having the same needs as their representative, so they could know that his vote would be the same as their own... Now, we have to trust that at minimum, our elected representatives will at least act on principal, and morally, even if that means they will go against what we want and do what is best for all the people.. That is not my idea of good government... We ever make progress in this country to a worse government, but one where morals are even more essential... It is not just for show, but those who believe it is for show are cynical beyond belief...

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His Democratic colleagues may want him out, but Rep. Anthony Weiner’s constituents apparently are OK with the New York lawmaker sticking around.

A new poll from Marist College Institute for Public Opinion shows that 56 percent of voters in Weiner’s New York City district don’t think he should resign in the wake of his Twitter scandal. Meanwhile, one-third think he should and another 12 percent are unsure.

Nearly three in four voters say they agree with Weiner that he broke no laws during his online relationships and subsequent attempts to hide them. Seventy-three percent say they believe he acted unethically but not illegally. Eleven percent say he behaved illegally, and 9 percent say he did nothing wrong.

But the verdict is still out on whether voters will stick behind Weiner if he runs for reelection. Thirty-one percent said they would definitely vote for him, 30 percent said they’d definitely vote against him, and 38 percent said they hadn’t yet made up their mind.

The poll was conducted on Wednesday,

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/06/10/anthony_weiner_poll_marist_college_survey_finds_majority_don_t_w.html

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@Fido,

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If the weiner does not know that honor must mean something in his marriage, why should any one expect honor out of him in government??? No one besides his wife from his district has given him as much as his wife, and yet she cannot trust him... Why should anyone trust him???

When are we going to removed Franklin and Hamilton pictures off our money as it is a matter of public record that both cheated on their wives??????

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@BillRM,

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When are we going to removed Franklin and Hamilton off our money as it is a matter of public record that both cheated on their wives?

we dont know that Wiener has cheated on his wife, as we dont know what their arrangement is. We do know that friends of the wife say they she has no intention of leaving him over this, so unless she claims that she has been wronged I am going to assume Wiener is innocent. What he is guilty of is lying, but will Clinton did it most of us said "he is lying about sex, and everyone lies about sex, so it would be unfair to hang him for it"......so why the change of rules for a guy whom so far as we know has never touched a woman other than his wife while married?

BTW- how many of these sexting event s that we are talking about happened while he was single? He has only been married for a year.

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