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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 04:29 pm
@BillRM,
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Oh with hundreds or thousands of these panic buttons existing can you just see the reaction of someone paying thousands of dollars a night when a maid accidentally set an alarm off and his room get flooded with security looking to save the maid from him?
CNN is reporting that Ophelia's hotel will also use the buttons. I suspect that the maids regret getting them, as presumably they have GPS so management can now track employees movement while on the job, and catch them goofing off. More workplace monitoring of employees in the name of safety, how unusual......
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 04:32 pm
@firefly,
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I heard Shapiro make that statement. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is being truthful. I also heard or read that she wears a Muslim headscarf.


A civil lawyer who is claiming with a straight face that he and the other two lawyers are working for her out of the goodness of their hearts had zero creditability with me.

So once more there is zero hard backing for the claim.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 04:45 pm
@BillRM,
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So once more there is zero hard backing for the claim.
It will be interesting if it turns out that her claim to be a devout muslim is no more able to be documented than is her claim that DSK tried to rape her and forced her to give oral sex.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 04:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
I just can't imagine why any bloke who has any serious dough would ever set foot in New York again. And we've seen already how quick some French wimmins have tried a dart at the gravy train. So I'm keeping out of London as a precaution.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 04:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I suspect that the maids regret getting them, as presumably they have GPS so management can now track employees movement while on the job, and catch them goofing off. More workplace monitoring of employees in the name of safety, how unusual......


Truck drivers are buying fifty dollars GPS jammers off the internet and one of those would take care of the whole hotel.

A fun story an airport was losing some GPS devices within a narrow time range every day during the work week and it took them months to find out the reason was that a truck driver was going by on a nearby highway with a jammer on and causing the black outs.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 04:53 pm
@spendius,
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I just can't imagine why any bloke who has any serious dough would ever set foot in New York again. And we've seen already how quick some French wimmins have tried a dart at the gravy train. So I'm keeping out of London as a precaution.


Does London had YMCA by any chance?
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 04:54 pm
@firefly,
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She is also a widow and she has a 15 year old daughter.


How old was her husband when he passed on ff? Was the marriage one that would be recognised in American legal jurisdictions? Did she have a husband or is she making that up to avoid anybody thinking she was impregnated on a one-night stand.

What evidence have you got for these statements you are making?
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 05:08 pm
@firefly,
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So, they may want to know who is contacting her--and why--and who knows her location. They may also be watching for any possible witness tampering--people who might contact her and offer her bribes not to testify or people who might call and threaten her.


One of the Pakistani cricketers who has been suspended for bowling a "no ball" at the point in a Test match where those betting on the outcome of the next ball, a "no ball" concedes one run to the opposition and a free hit, said he should do, claimed that the lives of his family members had been threatened if he didn't do. It was the biggest "no ball" anybody has ever seen in top class cricket. He overstepped the legal line by a very long way.

His suspension, and removal of his lucrative livelihood, was based on him not being believed.

So we are left with those who might offer bribes. Unless claims of threatening women are more credible than threating men.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 05:21 pm
@spendius,
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So we are left with those who might offer bribes. Unless claims of threatening women are more credible than threating men


By feminists thinkings women are defenseless children when it come to men and their only safely is a protecting state.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 05:33 pm
@firefly,
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The use of panic buttons sounds like an excellent safety measure.


Do you mean just for luxury hotel staff? What about all the other wimmins whose paranoia has been worked up to a frenzy?

Returning to cricket--they have what is called a "stump camera". It is about 3/4 of an inch in diameter and is fitted into the middle stump so we can see a re-run of each ball (pitch) from that angle. So why not one of these devices in each wimmin's cap and a central monitoring unit which watches the streaming of the pictures all day long. A panic button is only useful when it is useful. It's selective. We could monitor the situation wimmin are in all day long and that would obviate any surprise attacks from beastly men who know to neutralise a panic button before they pounce.

It could look like those not in favour of a national system of cap cameras are encouraging un-necessary attacks on the innocence and pure wimmin who have unfortunately found themselves in proximity to men.

Meanwhile the largest care home company in the UK with 700 large care homes is saying that it is in financial difficulties and thousands of elderly patients don't know what the future holds for them if the government doesn't bail them out.

And we are on about an alleged blow job and the chief of the IMF and future president of France allegedly can't get pantyhose off despite him being strong enough to force himself between an angry wimmin's teeth when he is a sleepy five hour flight from the city of white thighs.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 05:36 pm
@spendius,
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What exactly is a "multiple sex offender"?
Someone who by their public record or confession has committed multiple sex offences....an offence being against the law . The debate about whether the law is right is separate .

But we do agree that some people should be locked up to protect the public...dont we ?
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 05:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I take the position that the computer translations are now good enough to often get the gist of the idea and thus are valid. You are as always free to come to a different conclusion.

I read the terrible translation and got the gist of the article. In this case I would rather have a poor translation than nothing.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 06:04 pm
The mother who persuaded her daughter not to press rape charges against DSK nine years ago speaks out.

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Nine years ago, Anne Mansouret dissuaded her daughter from filing a legal complaint for attempted rape against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, a prominent member of the Socialist Party in France and the former husband of one of her best friends.

But now she is speaking out about what happened and what other Socialist leaders knew. And some Socialists — deeply embarrassed by the allegations against the wealthy man who was likely to be their presidential candidate next year — have called for her expulsion from the party.

In a series of interviews, Mrs. Mansouret — by turns defensive, emotional, argumentative and uncompromising — said she did it to protect her daughter, Tristane Banon, now 31, and the party itself.

Ms. Banon, a journalist and novelist, asserts that Mr. Strauss-Kahn, who is facing criminal charges in New York of attempted rape of a hotel housekeeper, tried to rape her during an interview in an empty apartment in 2002 — grabbing her arm, pulling off her bra, trying to unzip her jeans, fighting with her on the floor and ignoring her cries of “no.” She described him as “a chimpanzee in rut.”

Party leaders knew of her daughter’s experience with Mr. Strauss-Kahn, Mrs. Mansouret said, but chose to ignore it. And she herself felt stymied, in part, because Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s second wife, Brigitte Guillemette, was one of her best friends and the godmother of Ms. Banon.

“Many people knew the story, but didn’t want to talk about it,” Mrs. Mansouret said.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 06:19 pm
Rather than trying to scrutinize the hotel maid, who may simply have been a random target for DSK, it seems much more interesting to look at Strauss-Kahn himself and at what some of his past behaviors might have been like.
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New Revelations Keep Popping Up, As Book Claims DSK Assaulted A Mexican Maid
Katya Wachtel
May 18, 2011

A woman who claims to be a former colleague of Dominique Strauss-Kahn wrote a book that says the IMF chief is "credited with several alleged sexual assaults, including a Mexican maid."

According to a translation of an article by El Universal, the book, written in French, was penned "by a former collaborator of Strauss-Kahn who used the pseudonym "Cassandre" to refer to details of the officer's personal life."

The mystery author of "D.S.K: The Secrets of a Presidential Contender," alleges that the IMF chief sexually assaulted a maid in Mexico, "when he made an official working visit.. Apparently this incident was not reported to the authorities."

A Mexican news agency, El Universal, cited an article in an Italian paper called Corriere della Sera that discusses the book.

The Mexican chambermaid allegation was also cited in the Daily Mail today.

The book, which is apparently zooming up the Amazon charts in France, was published last year, according to the New Yorker, and includes this passage about Strauss-Kahn:

He is always on the hunt for new women. He is a pleasure seeker. Like all great political animals, he has trouble controlling himself. His eye for women is sharp as a laser. When he enters a cafe, an office or any public place, the ritual is the same.

He does a little survey, turning his head almost imperceptibly to the left, then to the right, while carrying on talking. It lasts only a few seconds, just enough time to evaluate his chances. After identifying his prey, he bombards them with text messages, usually with the opening salvo “I want you”.


According to the New Yorker, when the book was first released, it "was met both with disbelief (cries then, as now, that it must be part of a “campaign” or “plot” to ruin D.S.K.’s presidential bid), and with renewed interest in some old stories that had been floating around, without, it seems, anyone doing much about them."

Corriere della Sera and the Daily Mail also quoted a French radio journalist called Thierry Ardisson, who claims that at least 14 other women have been "jumped" by DSK.

According to the Mail,

Thierry Ardisson said: ‘Everyone knew about it. I have 14 women pals who have told me: “He tried to jump me.” I think that guy has an illness: you can enjoy s*******, but not to that point. He needs therapy.’

The Mail also learned that his alleged philandering may have seen him try to befriend a former ‘victim’ in the weeks leading up to charges for sexual assault and attempted rape in New York.
http://www.businessinsider.com/book-by-former-dsk-colleague-alleges-he-assaulted-a-mexican-maid-too-2011-5

Perhaps what might have happened at the Sofitel Hotel with the maid really isn't that out of character for him.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 06:21 pm
@engineer,
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Nine years ago, Anne Mansouret dissuaded her daughter from filing a legal complaint for attempted rape against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, a prominent member of the Socialist Party in France and the former husband of one of her best friends


Ya, about that....
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The disturbing truths at the heart of the fiction that she subsequently wrote were shaped by the author’s own life. I Forgot to Kill Her, the title of Banon’s first novel, tracks the strained relations between Tristane and her mother Anne Mansouret, a longtime politico in Normandy. The book got a lot of attention, especially in venues such as Régine, where she signed copies by the coat check from 11 to 2 in the morning. But who, exactly, would the author like to kill in a book Banon readily describes as autobiographical? Her story features an ambitious, unflinching mother who chooses politics over maternity and leaves her child in the hands of a Moroccan nanny who drinks so much that her young charge learns to recognize the difference between Irish and Scottish whisky with her eyes closed. The more alcohol the nanny consumes, the more she beats her young charge, usually favoring the child’s back. Banon narrates this personal story in such a flat, featureless tone that a reader might never have suspected that the story was real.

Mansouret describes herself as “a mother, a matriarch, not a mommy” during her first television appearance with Banon in 2008. Mansouret’s short, backswept hair and chiseled face look harsh next to her daughter’s delicate features. Sweeping aside the blond hair that tumbles into her eyes, Banon describes a mother who is “cold, square,” a woman who made it clear that she “didn’t like children.” Yet this same woman is “pragmatic,” someone her daughter claims she would call as soon as she had a problem. The camera cuts away to stunning photographs of a younger Mansouret that fill Banon’s bedroom as she reaches over to touch the picture of her mother.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dsk-s-french-accuser_571448.html
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 06:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I would be more impressed if you could see your way clear to give me credit for being open minded or for encouraging people to make up their own minds.

I would be more inclined to give you credit for being open minded if you would concede that it is possible that rather than being a false allegation for money this is a real complaint against a serial sexual predator.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 06:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
Doesn't this tend to support the story here? The "ambitious, unflinching mother who chooses politics over maternity" advises her daughter to let the assault slide, the traumatized daughter holds a serious grudge against her mother who failed her in a time of need? I wonder why mom is speaking out now. She's already been branded a horrible mother and now she is being shunned by her Socialist buddies. If she is after her fifteen minutes of fame, it seems like this is a poor way to do it. When she's done burning bridges, she'll be on an island by herself.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 06:47 pm
@engineer,
What it tells be is that the only other major woman who claims that DSK was out of line also comes from an abuse background. This leads be to believe that their perceptions are off, that DSK is flirty and entitled, but not not the abuser that they perceive. Part of the perpetuation of the abuse dynamic is the taking of the victim mentality, that making up in the mind that they are being abused when in fact their is not only no intent to abuse but the alleged abuser is not even aware that the victim perceives abuse.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 07:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
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What it tells be is that the only other major woman who claims that DSK was out of line is also comes from an abuse background. This leads be to believe that their perceptions are off, that DSK is flirty and entitled, but not not the abuser that they perceive. Part of the perpetuation of the abuse dynamic is the taking of the victim mentality, that making up in the mind that they are being abused when in fact their is not only no intent to abuse but the alleged abuser is not even aware that the victim perceives abuse.

I'm starting to think that your distorted perceptions come from the fact that you over-identify with Strauss-Kahn, particularly regarding his sexual appetites and how he might treat women. You see yourself in him--and you've told us that is why you can understand him. Therefore, you can't deal with the reality that this man might well be a criminal--a criminal sex offender--and that he might also have some significant psychological problems which have contributed to his current legal predicament, because that might reflect on you.

So, according to you, it's not this man's behavior that might have gotten him into trouble, it's those "unfair" laws that make forcible violent sexual assaults a crime. It's not DSK's attitude and behavior toward women that might be wrong, it's the attitudes of all those "anti-sex feminists" that are wrong. He's not sick, he's just expressing the biologically based male/female "power dynamic" and the male need for "conquest". He has "no intent to abuse" because he knows "what women really want". And of course, his accuser might be lying, or even delusional, "because she has a victim mentality"--" DSK is flirty and entitled, but not not the abuser that they perceive".

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

If the possibility that he is guilty, and would then be regarded by society as a criminal sex offender, makes you feel uncomfortable, Hawkeye, that wouldn't surprise me one bit.

You boast about how you would disregard criminal sexual assault laws, well Strauss-Kahn might now be dealing with the reality of what happens when those laws are disregarded. Somehow I don't think his lawyers will cite Martin Luther King, Jr., and notions of "civil obedience", in his defense--as you do, in your own defense.

DSK might be a criminal sex offender, and he might have some serious psychological problems regarding his sexuality. If the shoe fits, Hawkeye...
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Thierry Ardisson said: ‘Everyone knew about it. I have 14 women pals who have told me: “He tried to jump me.” I think that guy has an illness: you can enjoy s*******, but not to that point. He needs therapy.’

Well, now he also needs a team of criminal defense lawyers.


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 08:35 pm
@firefly,
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You boast about how you would disregard criminal sexual assault laws, well Strauss-Kahn might now be dealing with the reality of what happens when those laws are disregarded. Somehow I don't think his lawyers will cite Martin Luther King, Jr., and notions of "civil obedience", in his defense--as you do, in your own defense.
If the jury comes to the conclusion that we are dealing with a woman whose perceptions are off there is every likelihood that the jury will let DSK go. We have talked often in these sex threads about how difficult it is to get convictions, and about the "rape myths" that dont ever seem to go away, jury nullification of bad laws has a long tradition in America and an honorable one. The people were never told the truth about the extent and purposes of the sexual assault reform laws, we have never really had our say, making sure that we do our part to stop injustice as we sit on juries is our duty. It kinds looks like two cops got cleared of sex charges in just this way recently.
 

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