Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@Irishk,

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What difference would that make? Would knee-length or below signal a red light that no grabbing was allowed? Would above-knee length magically give a hotel guest a green light to assault a hotel employee?

How about a respecting what should be obvious?

How about reading more carefully Irish. The point was being made in relation to the claim the lady is a devout Muslim.

Ladies only dress as they do so that it affects the way men think about them. Wimmins, as we call feminists here, try not to do as much as they can. It isn't a stop/go thing. It's all points on the scale.

BTW--Anybody who thinks that the budget deficits, rolling debt ceilings and the house price bubble bursting is the end point of the machinations of the female intelligence should not be too sure.

"Her pleasure knows no limits,
Her voice is like a meadow lark.
Her heart is like the ocean,
Mysterious and dark."

Bob Dylan. America's greatest poet by a margin that cannot be quantified numerically.

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@hawkeye10,

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We also must consider the likelihood the many of the maids at the flop hotels are illegal, and that by claiming sexual assault their threat of deportation is lifted, so they have massive incentive to report sexual assault.

The Sofitel Hotel and the Pierre Hotel are hardly flop houses. Laughing

These are luxury hotels.

Many of the housekeeping staff may be immigrants, but that doesn't mean they are illegal. But they certainly have incentive to want to hold onto their jobs--and they might, therefore, have incentive not to report sexual abuses, sexual assaults. or sexual harassment from hotel guests, which is quite the opposite of what you are implying.

The head of the hotel workers union today said there are about 6 complaints a year regarding such incidents in NYC. No one is saying, "we are supposed to believe that men routinely attack hotel maids," so, as usual, you are exaggerating. But, no number of sexual abuses, or sexual assaults, or sexual harassment from hotel guests is acceptable--even if it's only one or two a year, and anything that can be done to help prevent these incidents, or to protect the workers, should be done. The use of panic buttons sounds like an excellent safety measure.

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@Irishk,

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You're the one who wants to 'see just how short that skirt was'.

So am I. I want to gauge the strength of the "devout Muslim" assertion. It was used as a basis for an argument.

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@joefromchicago,

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A settlement of a civil suit cannot be conditioned on the dropping of criminal charges. In fact, it is unethical for a lawyer even to propose such a settlement, and doing so could result in disbarment. Furthermore, the complainant is not "in charge" of the criminal case. A criminal case is brought by the state, not by the victim. As such, the complainant couldn't "make the criminal charges go away" even if she wanted to.

I think that is a trifle disingenuous. It is intended to have us think that everything will be above board and done strictly by the book in a case involving many millions of dollars and some serious reputations.

Which is a tittering matter.

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@firefly,

So there are 75K hotel rooms in NYC, running about 80% occupancy at 365 days a year gets us 21,900,000 maid services per year, and we have 6! complaints a year? And you are in favor of all of the cost of a panic button, plus the state demanding it? Not to mention we have Accor agreeing to staff demands to change a uniform that has been designed into the hotel theme that management cares a lot about?? Have you have heard of proportional response? How about cost/benefit analysis?

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@BillRM,

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the Russian army troopers was to raped German women at the end of WW2 in Berlin.

Are you sure Bill. I heard that it was consensual in return for a tin of coffee.

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@hawkeye10,

Her lawyers are seeing millions to be won and a state that might interfere or at least limit their abilities to do so.

For that reason I would likely be willing to front her the funds to get her out of being under the government thumb.

Footnote in any case I would get her a computer with skype phone software on it so I could talk to her with far less risk that the DA is going to be breaking the law and monitoring her conversations with her lawyer.

To those who do not know skype calls are encrypted to a fairly high degree of security using public key technology.

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@firefly,

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and they might, therefore, have incentive not to report sexual abuses, sexual assaults. or sexual harassment from hotel guests, which is quite the opposite of what you are implying.

More likely if found having sex with a customer to claimed rape so they will not be fired.

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@spendius,

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I think that is a trifle disingenuous. It is intended to have us think that everything will be above board and done strictly by the book in a case involving many millions of dollars and some serious reputations.

Which is a tittering matter.

Yes any agree will be of the gentlemanly type with a wink not a legally enforceable contract.

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@spendius,

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Are you sure Bill. I heard that it was consensual in return for a tin of coffee.

Sorry it was pay back time for all the sins of the Germany army and the SS in Russia and so no tins of coffee.

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@BillRM,

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A devout Muslim who does not go near a mosque how strange........

You don't really know whether she attends a mosque or not.

But, attending a mosque is not necessarily related to devoutness, particularly for women.

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Traditionalists try to argue that Muhammad preferred women to pray at home rather than at a mosque, and they cite a hadith in which Muhammad supposedly said: "The best mosques for women are the inner parts of their houses," although women were active participants in the mosque started by Muhammad...

Many mosques today will put the women behind a barrier or partition or in another room against most Islamic beliefs...In nearly two-thirds of American mosques, women pray behind partitions or in separate areas, not in the main prayer hall; some mosques do not admit women at all due to the lack of space and the fact that some prayers, such as the Friday Jummah, are mandatory for men but optional for women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque

So, she could be in a mosque, behind a partition, or in a separate room, and men, such as the one quoted in the article you posted, might not even know she was there. Or she might choose to pray privately at home. And, if she is a very private person, she might not want to become involved in the Muslim community life of the local mosque.

The man interviewed for the article you posted is also not certain of which region of Guinea the woman is from, and therefore he couldn't be certain which mosque the woman might attend if she wanted to be with others from her native area. There are a great many mosques in NYC--she might, or might not, attend some of them. That mosque attendance, or lack of it, wouldn't make her any more or less devout.

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@spendius,

Well, the real magic of women is that throughout the ages, they've had to do all the work and yet they can have a sense of humor. ~ Bob Dylan

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@firefly,

As an atheist I could care less as her being devout or not Muslim have nothing to do with her character or her willingness to 'sin' in my opinion as you had been implying.

If devout Muslim women had been known to be willing to blow up men, women and children claiming a sexual assault that never happen is no big deal.

Still your claims that she is a devout Muslim had no hard backing of any kind that I am aware of and no local Mosque seem to know of her.

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@hawkeye10,

Apparently many of the housekeeping staff had wanted to wear pants prior to the DSK incident. Pants are also more comfortable than a skirt for many women doing such work. American women used to wear house-dresses at home when they did house-cleaning chores, and as soon as pants starting becoming acceptable and popular, in the 60's, women started wearing them at home too. Do you know many women who put on a skirt to clean their home?

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w about cost/benefit analysis?

The cost of a panic button, that helps a worker to feel safer and more comfortable at his or her job, and might help to prevent sexual abuses and assaults, would deliver a good cost/benefit result.

It's not just female hotel workers who are subjected to sexual abuses and sexual harassment, female guests sometimes do these things to male hotel workers.

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@firefly,

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That mosque attendance, or lack of it, wouldn't make her any more or less devout.

I see that you have your Islamic expert hat on, from where do your credentials hail from?

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@firefly,

Instead of panic button replacing all the female housekeeping staff with men seem to be a safer path for them and the hotels and the guests.

If NYC hotels become known as a hotbed for setting up rich male guests it going to be very very bad for business.

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@firefly,

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Apparently many of the housekeeping staff had wanted to wear pants prior to the DSK incident. Pants are also more comfortable than a skirt for many women doing such work

Accor is of course spinning this as a sop to employee comfort, not admitting to the uniform having anything to do with sexual assault of their employees, but that will not help them in their battle with Ophelia's lawyers on their liability lawsuit. That plus DSK's known behavior of hitting on the female employees with no response from management will cost them millions I predict.

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Oh with hundreds or thousands of these panic buttons existing can you just see the reaction of someone paying thousands of dollars a night when a maid accidentally set an alarm off and his room get flooded with security looking to save the maid from him?

Second how likely would it then be for the maid to claimed an attack in fear that otherwise she will be fired for setting off the alarm by error.

Interesting can of worms.

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@hawkeye10,

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That plus DSK's known behavior of hitting on the female employees with no response from management will cost them millions I predict.

If hotels start banning every male guest you flirt with their female help it will end up costing them far more.

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@BillRM,

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Still your claims that she is a devout Muslim had no hard backing of any kind

I'm sorry you are so cognitively impaired that you have been unable to comprehend several posts, by more than one poster, that have pointed out that Jeffrey Shapiro, the woman's lawyer/spokesperson, has said she is a devout Muslim--and I heard Shapiro make that statement. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is being truthful. I also heard or read that she wears a Muslim headscarf.

Why do you need "hard evidence"? What is "hard evidence"? She doesn't need witnesses as to whether she attends a mosque--she doesn't even need to attend a mosque to be a devout Muslim. We take most people at their word regarding their religious beliefs.

Do you want "hard evidence" she's female too? Rolling Eyes

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claiming a sexual assault that never happen is no big deal

You have not a shred of evidence to support your continued assertion that she has fabricated her allegations of a sexual assault--not a shred of evidence, let alone "hard evidence"

On the other hand, a grand jury found sufficient evidence to support the contention of a forcible sexual assault, in addition to the other charges, and that evidence included more than just this woman's testimony.

You seem to prefer fantasy to reality.

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