Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@firefly,

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think the judge had legitimate concerns that Strauss-Kahn might be a flight risk. No one wants a repeat of the Polanski situation. The judge might reconsider house arrest at a future hearing, but, meanwhile, Strauss-Kahn is sitting in a cell on Rikers Island, along with many other people likewise accused of first degree felonies. Should we let them all go home with an ankle bracelet?

Yes any one who can be released with such tools as ankle bracelets before trial damn well under our system should be so released.

You are not suppose to try to punish people for being charge with a crime only when and if you convict him or her of a crime.

And no the rest of the world is not going to buy into the idea that a GPS bracelet and taking away his passport in not enough steps to reduce the likelihood of flight to near zero.

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@BillRM,

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And no the rest of the world is not going to buy into the idea that a GPS bracelet and taking away his passport in not enough steps to reduce the likelihood of flight to near zero.

It was total bullshit, but her alternative was to say "we need to lock up this powerful French man in order to protect the safety of our women", which obviously does not work politically. So a lie it is.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye in some cases you are allow to keep a person in jail without bail if a case can be made that he is a clear danger to the public at large however as he had never been charge less alone convicted of any crime in his life before this so that is indeed a hard sell.

My theory is that the judge is just trying to aid the state in this matter.

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeye in some cases you are allow to keep a person in jail without bail if a case can be made that he is a clear danger to the public at large however as he had never been charge less alone convicted of any crime in his life before this so that is indeed a hard sell.

Seriously??!! We have a big powerful white man accused of rape by a much younger black woman, and I'll bet an illegal to boot, the Judge could have taken a country mile. It does not get any better than that in victim culture, I have heard this narrative constantly today.... the big bad man with a long list of crimes finally sunk by the black chambermaid. WoW, I hope she has an agent by now, this will be worth millions $$$$ for the book and screenplay. If she can speak English she can do the lecture tour for the rest of her life if she still wants to work

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@BillRM,

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See the Duke players case to answer all your above questions.

I knew you would drag that case out. The D.A, in that case was disbarred--he was corrupt. Most D.A.s are not getting disbarred.

I find your continuous exploitation of the men charged in the Duke case extremely repugnant. These men were victimized by a corrupt D.A. (and not by the mentally ill woman, who made her rape allegation while she was a patient in a mental health facility, and who they have said they regard as a victim). As you keep pointing out, allegations of rape can damage someone's reputation for a lifetime, yet you seem to delight in the fact of reminding everyone that these men were involved in a rape case--which helps to keep rape allegations associated with their names. Can't you understand you are exploiting them, using them?
And the Duke case is not even a good example of a deliberate malicious false accusation by a woman--the woman in that case had significant psychiatric problems and there were compelling reasons why the D.A. should not have believed her story, but the D.A. appeared to hold pre-existing personal bias against Duke athletes, because of their sexual behaviors, and chose to use this woman to try to put some of them in jail. And he then committed prosecutorial misconduct by withholding evidence from the defense among other things. The D.A. was corrupt, and he paid a price for his actions. But the case is an example of a corrupt D.A. and not how a deliberately lying woman ruins men's lives. And it is an atypical case in terms of our justice system.

I think you will find that the Manhattan D.A.'s office will not pull any underhanded stunts in the handling of Strauss-Kahn's case. They do not try cases if neither evidence nor logic suggests that a crime took place.

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@hawkeye10,

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We have a big powerful white man accused of rape by a much younger black woman,

Powerful in wealth and power but not in any physical sense as when I saw his picture and the claimed he overpower a 30 something woman I laugh.

I happen to be the same age 62 and he look at least decades older and off hand my wife who is considerably older then the 30 year old maid could take him in my opinion without breathing hard.

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@firefly,

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I knew you would drag that case out. The D.A, in that case was disbarred--he was corrupt. Most D.A.s are not getting disbarred.

We do not know how this case will end yet and you are right there are far more DAs who deserve to be disbarred or at least fired then are disbarred and or fired.

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@hawkeye10,

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BillRM wrote:

Hawkeye in some cases you are allow to keep a person in jail without bail if a case can be made that he is a clear danger to the public at large however as he had never been charge less alone convicted of any crime in his life before this so that is indeed a hard sell.

Seriously??!! We have a big powerful white man accused of rape by a much younger black woman, and I'll bet an illegal to boot, the Judge could have taken a country mile. It does not get any better than that in victim culture, I have heard this narrative constantly today.... the big bad man with a long list of crimes finally sunk by the black chambermaid. WoW, I hope she has an agent by now, this will be worth millions $$$$ for the book and screenplay. If she can speak English she can do the lecture tour for the rest of her life if she still wants to work

This is all rather pointless unfounded speculation on your part. I wonder if you even see the hypocrisy of your repeated berating of the U.S. and New York judicial systems, accompanied as it is by your rather wild prejudgment of facts that you (and all of us) have no possibility of knowing or evaluating now.

Yes there are numerous examples out there of self proclaimed "victims" falsely accusing other or merely exaggerating claims of abuse and crime. There are also cases of repeat offenders serially violating victims and misusing whatever power or influence they have to escape justice. Both extremes and everything in between do occur and are, conceivably at least, possible in this case. The problem is that none of us really knows where the case at hand resides on that spectrum. That is something that we hope will emerge accurately from the investigation and court proceedings. Your preconceptions, monotone hand-wringing and hyperbole have remarkably little to do with the facts of the case, which are only slowly emerging amidst all the other speculation and rumors.

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@georgeob1,

Good theory but this case had a rush to judgment signs all over it as he was about to leave the country so we arrested him and then try to find some reason any reason to justify the arrest.

Now that the NYC legal system had so must face involved do you honestly think they care if the evidence support or does not support his guilt?

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@hawkeye10,

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I hope she has an agent by now, this will be worth millions $$$$ for the book and screenplay. If she can speak English she can do the lecture tour for the rest of her life if she still wants to work

Do not forget a civil suit and that could result in the same outcome as the Kobe case IE you settle a civil suit and she drop the criminal charges or at least is no longer willing to aid the prosecution.

In the mean time at least half of the license PIs in the state of New York is going to be crawling up her rear end.

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@BillRM,

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Good theory but this case had a rush to judgment signs all over it as he was about to leave the country so we arrested him and then try to find some reason any reason to justify the arrest.

Now that the NYC legal system had so must face involved do you honestly think they care if the evidence support or does not support his guilt?

Oh really ? It appears that a lot of rushing was going on - for example Mr Strauss-Kahn was also rushing to escape the jurisdiction of the state of New York.

It is very easy for you to postulate bad motives on the part of one (but not the other) player in this game. but the fact is neither of us really knows the real motives of any of the parties any more thasn we really know what really happened or didn't happen in the room in question at Hotel Sofitel in Manhattan that evening. The difference is that you and Hawkeye act, deceptively, as though you do know what you quite obviously do not know.

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@georgeob1,

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Oh really ? It appears that a lot of rushing was going on - for example Mr Strauss-Kahn was also rushing to escape the jurisdiction of the state of New York.

Did they move JFK out of New York recently? THe flight out of the country had been booked days before so far as we know now, he was trying to leave when he had planned to leave.

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The difference is that you and Hawkeye act, deceptively, as though you do know what you quite obviously do not know.

I dont know, but I do know that he is being treated poorly by the state. The perp walk and still three days later sitting at Rykers Island is out of line. I also know enough to be pleasantly surprised when the Amercian "justice" system actually produces justice.

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@georgeob1,

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Oh really ? It appears that a lot of rushing was going on - for example Mr Strauss-Kahn was also rushing to escape the jurisdiction of the state of New York.

Oh his flight was not schedule long before the maid claimed he attacked her to deal with meetings on the Greek situation that is news indeed.

Would you care to link to any information that his flight out of the country was move up or change at the last minute?

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@BillRM,

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In the mean time at least half of the license PIs in the state of New York is going to be crawling up her rear end.

Yes, but I will be very interested to see if the allegations against the hotel management company are correct, as they have much bigger pockets, and they will be open to a huge class action suit. Either way one 32 year old black woman from Ghana and hundreds of lawyers just won the lottery, unless the woman is making up the charges.

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@georgeob1,

Ok why do you not look at the gentleman pictures and the videos he is in and tell me how likely you think it is that he could manhandle a 30 something woman to the degree it is claimed he had done just to start with.

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@hawkeye10,

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of lawyers just won the lottery, unless the woman is making up the charges.

What does her making up the charges or not have to do with her winning the lottery once more look at the Kobe situation.

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@BillRM,

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What does her making up the charges or not have to do with her winning the lottery once more look at the Kobe situation.

DKS is not Kobe, he is a fighter, if she made this all up he will never pay her a dime voluntarily.

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@hawkeye10,

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DKS is not Kobe, he is a fighter, if she made this all up he will never pay her a dime voluntarily.

If the state can get away with keeping him lock up I would not count on it.

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@BillRM,

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Good theory but this case had a rush to judgment signs all over it as he was about to leave the country so we arrested him and then try to find some reason any reason to justify the arrest.

Now that the NYC legal system had so must face involved do you honestly think they care if the evidence support or does not support his guilt?

You have it backward--they arrested him because they had reason to believe he had committed several serious, violent felonies. The arrest was justified before it was made.

You seem to feel that the equivalent of a trial should be held prior to even making an arrest. Have you considered the fact that a significant time delay in making an arrest might leave potentially dangerous, or violent people at large in the community, not to mention that it would allow them, as well as others who have committed crimes, the opportunity to flee the jurisdiction and remain unapprehended.

You and Hawkeye might not consider Strauss-Kahn dangerous, but he is charged with committing violent acts which do present a danger to the community--he is charged with forcibly sexually attacking a person who was a stranger to him. He just didn't do it on a dark street--he did it in a $3000 a night hotel suite--but it's the same forcible sexual assault he's charged with as the person who does it on the street or in some dark alley, Strauss-Kahn is just charged with doing it in more comfortable surroundings. The fact that he holds a prestigious day job does not alter the nature of the crimes he is accused of, and the lack of a prior criminal record does not change the nature of those crimes either, and it simply means he was never charged before.

And he was about to leave the country when he was arrested...and forensic evidence on his body would have disappeared with him. So, given what they felt was a credible report of a crime, and knowing the identity of the person who was accused, and the fact he was already at an airport, they had reason to make an arrest quickly.

If your wife reported she was forcibly sexually assaulted by someone on the street, received treatment at a hospital for injuries, and she was able to identify a man out of a police line-up, wouldn't you expect the police to make an arrest? Wouldn't you want them to be able to gather forensic evidence from his body, to support your wife's allegations, before that evidence was no longer available? Or would you doubt even the word of your own wife if she claimed a stranger sexually assaulted her?

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@BillRM,

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Ok why do you not look at the gentleman pictures and the videos he is in and tell me how likely you think it is that he could manhandle a 30 something woman to the degree it is claimed he had done just to start with.

Remarkable ! Bill has only to look at a photograph or brief video clip, and he has unravelled a complex case. Your services must be much in demand inspector Poirot.

Ignorance plus certainty can be a very dangerous combination. Happily I suspect your range of influence is very limited so little harm is done.

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