Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@BillRM,

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DKS is not Kobe, he is a fighter, if she made this all up he will never pay her a dime voluntarily.

If the state can get away with keeping him lock up I would not count on it.

I refuse to believe that, he is a socialist after all, abet a Champaign Socialist. Not only is he a fighter, but being a martyr for France and his fellow libertines would cement his reputation. Remember, this guy quit his government portfolio in 2001 to fight ethics charges against him in court, which would have been much easier to settle, and won. Just two years ago there was strong pressure on him to resign the IMF when it came to light that he had used his power to requisition another man's wife, and not only did he refuse successfully but he went on to win rave reviews for his leadership of the IMF. Just now a lot of people are amazed that he is not trying to get the charges dismissed on the basis of immunity, that he is choosing to stand and fight, but there he is doing it.

Very much more of this bullshit American style "justice" by clubbing and DSK will be European folk hero, if he proves his innocences, as the broken American system demands that he do.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye had you taken note that we are now being voted down at the same level as on the old rape thread and Firefly is being voted up to the same degree.

It seem that the old gang had become annoyed one more with the idea that anyone should dare to question a man being charge with rape.

Second had you hear this guy is suppose to not only to had force oral sex on her but I just hear anal sex on her.

If so there surely should be DNA.

Hell if he did all this he is in better shape then his pictures and Videos indicate to say the least.

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@hawkeye10,

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The perp walk and still three days later sitting at Rykers Island is out of line.

I just listened to Jeffrey Toobin, a legal analyst for CNN, say that the denial of bail in this case, and the denial of house arrest with an ankle monitor, is standard in NYC state courts for non-citizens, who do not reside in the country, who have no strong community ties in NYC, and who might pose a flight risk. According to Toobin, most people like that, whose cases are in state court (as opposed to federal court), are sitting in Rikers Island along with Strauss-Kahn--he is being treated just like everyone else, and it has nothing to do with the fact that the crime is of a sexual nature, or his prominence. So nothing about this seems "out of line".

Apparently, in federal courts they are more likely to allow someone to remain under house arrest with an ankle monitor, and Jeffrey Toobin mentioned Bernie Madoff as an example (although Madoff was also a resident of NYC), but that is not the case in state courts. According to Toobin, Strauss-Kahn is being treated in the most typical way that state court in NYC treats non citizens who reside outside of the country, and who might pose a significant flight risk--they generally do not allow bail, and they generally don't allow house arrest.

I'll trust Jeffrey Toobin's explanation more than yours, Hawkeye. He's more familiar with the way state cases are generally handled in NYC.

The judge might allow house arrest at a later hearing, and let him post $1 million in bail (which is what his lawyers had asked for), but it is hard not to consider this man a flight risk. The case against him does look bad for him--that's motive enough to try to flee--he could face up to 25 years in jail if convicted. He has the money and resources to flee the country--and France cannot be counted on to extradite him back here, and he knows that. He's a flight risk.

If you recall, O.J. was not allowed bail, and he wasn't under house arrest. He was in jail from the time of his arrest until his trial was over. He was also considered a flight risk.

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@firefly,

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If you recall, O.J. was not allowed bail, and he wasn't under house arrest. He was in jail from the time of his arrest until his trial was over. He was also considered a flight risk.

Are you equating the murder of two with less than ten minutes of nonconcensual pawing and oral sex?

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@firefly,

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I just listened to Jeffrey Toobin, a legal analyst for CNN, say that the denial of bail in this case, and the denial of house arrest with an ankle monitor, is standard in NYC state courts for non-citizens, who do not reside in the country

I doubt it, Toobin is a pretty bright guy, I am sure that he is aware that DSK has a rather large house in DC, and has been a resident for years.

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@firefly,

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I just listened to Jeffrey Toobin, a legal analyst for CNN, say that the denial of bail in this case, and the denial of house arrest with an ankle monitor, is standard in NYC state courts for non-citizens, who do not reside in the country, who have no strong community ties in NYC, and who might pose a flight risk. According to Toobin, most people like that, whose cases are in state court (as opposed to federal court), are sitting in Rikers Island along with Strauss-Kahn--he is being treated just like everyone else, and it has nothing to do with the fact that the crime is of a sexual nature, or his prominence. So nothing about this seems "out of line".

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who have no strong community ties in NYC,

You do know that the IMF headquarters are in NYC along with UN that he still work for correct?

That would seem like some small connection to the state off hand.

In any case good luck in trying to sell the nonsense that he should be punish before he is convict of any crime to the rest of the world. Drunk

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@hawkeye10,

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Are you equating the murder of two with less than ten minutes of nonconcensual pawing and oral sex?

But O.J. was presumed innocent during his trial, and he was found not guilty after trial. He was denied bail and house arrest because he was considered a flight risk--remember the Bronco chase when they were trying to arrest him.

You might not consider forcible sexual assaults, and illegal imprisonment, of a stranger very significant, but NYS does--that's why Strauss-Kahn faces up to 25 years in jail. He is charged with serious, violent felonies.

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@BillRM,

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You do know that the IMF headquarters are in NYC along with UN that he still work for correct?

That would seem like some small connection to the state off hand.

It is in DC Bill. Still, being the leader of one of the most important global institutions which is HQ'ed in DC would seem to give some indication that we are talking abut a guy who can be trusted to no try to flee the nation without his passport. How would he get out of the country? Are we supposed to believe that he is was going to find a group of mexicans who would take a 62 YO white man across the border? Is he supposed to know how to get into contact with one of the drug cartels and buy his way out?

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@firefly,

The cold blood murder of two humans being is however would by anyone standard but perhaps for a crazy feminist be a tiny little bit more serious crime.

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@firefly,

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ou might not consider forcible sexual assaults, and illegal imprisonment, of a stranger very significant, but NYS does--that's why Strauss-Kahn faces up to 25 years in jail. He is charged with serious, violent felonies.

Holly ****, did you just say that stranger rape is more bad than relationship rape? I am shocked at your disregard for modern feminist theory Firefly!

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@hawkeye10,

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It is in DC Bill. Still, being the leader of one of the most important global institutions which is HQ'ed in DC

Hmm I was under the impression that it headquarter was in New York but even so the IMF is a UN creation and the UN is in NY.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye do you happen to know if your charter a private jet if you need to show the private jet company a passport before leaving as you do with the airlines?

But in any case given that everybody in the country now know who he is and what he look like his ability to flee the country seem as near zero as it could be.

There is no logical reason other then to pressure him into a plead deal not to allow him out on bond.

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeye do you happen to know if your charter a private jet if you need to show the private jet company a passport before leaving as you do with the airlines?

They will I think help facilitate the screening, but you will pay for it and you will deal with US agents. The penalty to a charter company for flying out a fugative would be criminal charges as well as likely being barred from operating in US airspace for a long time. Not bloody likely anyone is going to do that.

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I wonder what is going to happen if all the scientific tests coming back does not support a sexual assault having occurred and they end up with only with the claims of the maid?

Hell of a position for the DA to be in as his face is now firmly on the line in this case and yet how in the hell do you try to convict the head of the IMF on the word of a maid and more to the point how do you justify not dropping the charges.

Somehow I do not even think that Firefly would have the balls to state that the DA at this point care if the man is guilt or not.

Caring only if he can get a conviction or force a plea deal without the issue of guilt or innocent mattering.

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@hawkeye10,

Hell one wonder how far the revolution can be from happening when an old middle class white guy such as myself have come to have such little respect or trust in our legal system.

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@BillRM,

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I wonder what is going to happen if all the scientific tests coming back does not support a sexual assault having occurred and they end up with only with the claims of the maid?

They are having massive problems with the alleged timeline as well. You will recall that it was claimed by police that the attack happened around 1:00, but now that the hotel computer shows that he checked out at 12:28 the police are walking that back, now claiming that it happened at 12:00.

I also note with great interest that all accounts had the IMF planning to throw DSK out on Monday, but it did not happen. I am thinking that IMF minders have disputed police accounts, and thus the board is now waiting to see where the truth is.

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@hawkeye10,

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Second point, according to information received from police in New York by our local correspondent Fabrice Rousselot, the alleged sexual assault at the Sofitel would be reached around noon and not to 13 hours. " We said initially that it was for about 13 hours, in fact it was closer to noon, " said Paul J. this morning Browne, the deputy commissioner and spokesman for police in New York, without giving further explanations. The police recognize that DSK would have left the hotel at 12:28, yes.

http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/01012337709-femme-chambre-version-avocat-fetichiste-complot

Did the police lie on purpose? Did they have the facts wrong? Who can say, as we often see both from the agents of the american "justice" system.

Translated by Google

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@hawkeye10,

The thing about conspiracy theories is they cut both ways. Strauss-Kahn was viewed as the next president, if he comes away from this a free man, his election will be a formality. Admittedly, his being aquitted will have to happen pretty sharpish if he is to make the next election, but if compelling evidence against the maid comes out in the next few months he'll be home and dry.

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But Assistant District Attorney Daniel Alonzo, who had demanded that Strauss-Kahn be remanded without bail, scoffed at the idea.
"It's just like Roman Polanski -- it's the same, exact situation," Alonzo warned Jackson, referring to the movie director who was charged with a sex act involving a child in California in 1977 and fled to France to dodge prosecution for more than 30 years.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/seduced_and_she_said_oui_oui_Oj0Z4K8iFIheZa4gvTBUWN#ixzz1MahgOsXV

Another lie, as Polanski had his French Passport, and the Americans would keep DSK's this time around.

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@hawkeye10,

Interesting

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France's leading presidential candidate may have pounced on a Manhattan hotel maid -- but she wanted it, his lawyer asserted in court yesterday, hinting at what could be an explosive defense.
"The evidence, we believe, will not be consistent with a forcible encounter," said Ben Brafman, the high-powered lawyer of IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn, at the suspect's sensational arraignment in a packed criminal courtroom.
A source close to the defense later told The Post, "There may well have been consent."
Disturbing information also emerged about Strauss-Kahn's behavior after he left the hotel -- including his coolly having lunch with his daughter, who lives in Manhattan, at a restaurant about a half-hour after the alleged attack

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/seduced_and_she_said_oui_oui_Oj0Z4K8iFIheZa4gvTBUWN#ixzz1MaiZ03pI

though "coolly having lunch with his daughter" is consistent with reports that he was calm and happy on check out, with him calling the hotel and asking them to bring the phone to JFK, and when confronted By Port Authority Police and being told to exit the plane asking in a agitated tone "what is this about?!"......IE consistent with the behavior of a man who does not think that he has sexually assaulted a chambermaid.....

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