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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 06:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
I would also assume they are more then willing to paid for stories concerning this young lady but there is no sense in the idea that her family would be able to get her to drop the charges and therefore they was being bribe to do so.

She had three lawyers looking for real cash so her family in the old country is beside the point in that regard.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 06:50 pm
@BillRM,
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I would also assume they are more then willing to paid for stories concerning this young lady but there is no sense in the idea that her family would be able to get her to drop the charges and therefore they was being bribe to do so.
Yep, and still the story was all over the place, as well as were the stories that have her family in Africa not needing money because they are people of God who are above the need for money. How much money Ophelia has been sending home all these years is not said, no doubt because it would get in the way of the fabrication. But why all the work, and who paid for it?? Inquiring minds would like to know....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Not that the prosecutors' bench at trial won't have its own formidable talent. Cyrus Vance, the new District Attorney of Manhattan, will give this case, which will be devoured by the media, everything he has to ensure a conviction. The lead so far for the DA's office has been John McConnell. Mr Vance has recently assigned another three of his best legal brains to help him
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/can-strausskahn-buy-his-way-to-freedom-2291111.html

I am sure that the people of France will be suitably impressed that the state of New York is throwing their best legal minds at this case and sparing no expense to convict a Frenchman of a relatively minor sexual assault crime.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:08 pm
@BillRM,

Except she hasn't brought a civil suit.

And, anyone who approaches her now with offers of money would be engaging in witness tampering.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:09 pm
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Is the downfall of former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn amid charges of attempted rape in the U.S. inspiring women in France to denounce the sexual coercion and aggression they've suffered from men for so long? The resignation Sunday of a French government minister accused of sexually harassing and assaulting two women would suggest that some sort of behavior revolution in France is indeed underway—and that more of the same is probably on the way. But because the habit of men (especially powerful ones) acting badly towards women has been so common and unchecked in France, some observers are already warning that if the budding offensive by French women to call out predatory males unfolds too rapidly, it could produce a backlash seeking to safeguard the abusive status quo.
On Sunday, junior civil service minister Georges Tron resigned his cabinet post six days after the first of two women who worked for the suburban Paris city Tron is mayor of filed suit against him for sexual harassment. Though Tron, 53, has emphatically denied the charges that he sexually attacked his accusers between 2007 and 2010, he stepped down Sunday vowing to prove his innocence. But other pressures were clearly at work in his departure. Given his earlier pledge to retain his post in the face of the allegations unless either President Nicolas Sarkozy or Prime Minister François Fillon asked him to leave, Tron's resignation made it clear ruling conservatives felt forced to distance the government from such a high-profile sex scandal—and possible crime. As such, the move starkly contrasted the defiance with which Sarkozy long stood by cabinet members rocked by earlier scandals. Tron's speedy ouster, then, can probably be scored as the first victory of harassed women in what's now being called “post-DSK” French society.Like Strauss-Kahn, Tron should be considered innocent until proven guilty. But like Strauss-Kahn, there are indications from legal officials that the charges being leveled at Tron are serious. "If the facts alleged are established, they could come under the headings of sexual aggression and rape." said French prosecutor Marie-Suzanne Le Queau. Based on the charges and corroborating accusations from the two women, an official preliminary inquiry has been launched to determine if a full investigation and possible court case is merited.
None of that establishes Tron as any more guilty at this point than Strauss-Kahn is. Still, the frequency and impunity with which men have sexually pressured and badgered women in France for decades has made presumption of innocence something of a luxury now that accusations of sexual misconduct or assault against male VIPs have finally come under the media glare. As Judith Warner notes in a recent Time essay, many women in France have responded to the Strauss-Kahn case—and the many (mostly male) voices that rang out to defend DSK by rejecting or minimizing the accusations of the victim—as an opportunity to force attention to the long hushed-up problem of sexual misconduct once and for all. Guilt or innocence in the DSK case is, of course, very important to establish on its own. But it seems even more urgent now for many French women to use it as an occasion to denounce male-dominated gender relations that make sexual aggression against women in France so common and tolerated—and which often condition both male perpetrators and their victims to think not much can be done about it.
"When I see that a little chambermaid is capable of taking on Dominique Strauss-Kahn, I tell myself I don't have the right to stay silent," one of Tron's unnamed accusers told the daily le Parisien last week, describing why she decided to follow the example of the Sofitel maid and level her accusations against the powerful man she says attacked her. "Other women may be suffering what I suffered. I have to help them. We have to break this code of silence."
On the political level, the allegations against Tron have dashed conservative hopes of using Strauss-Kahn's NYC rape charges (and wider, notorious reputation as a relentless womanizer) to establish some sort of moral high ground over rival Socialists ahead of next year's general elections. But more significantly, the view that the claims against Tron were so damning—in light of “post-DSK” French sensibilities about sexual assault--that his ouster from the government had become urgent reflects deep changes in French attitudes towards gender relations, male behavior, and women's right. And those, as Warner also notes in her essay, will outlive the current news cycle.
French women who say they've been victims of sexual assault—no matter how powerful or insignificant their attacker is—will no longer be brushed off or intimidated into silence. Neither will they be inclined to slink away from the French men they've accused of abuse, and who often seek to publicly turn the tables with the mocking rejoinder, “She's taking her fantasies for reality”.
“Finished are the behind-the-scenes pressuring, the covering up, and the silence: from now on, complaints will be registered and taken seriously,” Libération editor Nicolas Demorand writes in his Monday editorial, referring to post-DSK (and Tron) France. “Now that voices have been freed, and the ceiling of glass and shame has been bashed in, other scandals may now arise.”
May? On May 24, as she reacted to publication of the charges against Tron, conservative politician and former Justice Minister Rachida Dati suggested that if all victims of male sexual misconduct were to speak up, France's entire male political class would be decimated. “I think there are a lot of (male politicians) who must be a bit stressed out right now,” Dati said on TV channel Canal Plus. “A lot of them are looking down at their shoes and saying they really hope attention turns to something else soon.”
Which is where the danger of a male blow-back lies. Though most French men who initially rushed to DSK's defense have been forced to moderate their comments by the indignant response their original positions provoked, there is some fear old attitudes might surge anew in the face of multiplying accusation of sexual assault. Too many men even in “post-DSK” France have too much to lose if every woman they ever seduced, cajoled, pressured or forced into having sex were now to step up with their stories.
“I'm a little bit worried that after this imposed period of improved behavior by men towards women there may be a backlash of men saying enough is enough, and returning to bad old habits,” Sylvie Pierre-Brossolette, political editor of the weekly Le Point, told France Info radio Monday. While urging all women victims of sexual crimes or gross misconduct to take their cases to police, Pierre-Brossolette suggested attempts to settle all past scores could prove counter-productive. Even a limited number of DSK- and Tron-like cases she said, would go a long way toward modifying the behavior of males across France from here out.
“Just the threat of suits being filed in this new environment would be enough to cool off most of these kinds of men,” she noted. "And I hope any women confronted by this kind of terrible sexual pressure from now on will file suit."


Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/05/30/in-post-dsk-france-minister-falls-to-accusations-of-sex-charges/#ixzz1Nt6lmvkS


another American who is claiming that the DSK case is a palm/head moment for France. This reads more of a delusion of grandeur from the historically arrogant and ignorant Americans than a likely eventuality, but we shall see.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
The chambermaid’s ordeal never ends
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The chambermaid who accused former IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn of sexual assault is going through such an ordeal that one wonders how many women, after this, would dare denounce their aggressor – that is, if he’s rich and powerful.

The French press didn’t respect the North American rule that forbids the media to reveal the identity of alleged victims of sexual assault. The woman’s full name, her address, even her teenaged daughter’s first name, plus a host of details about her personal life, have been exposed, which means of course that this information is widely available on the Web.
The woman, who is in hiding under police protection, must also suffer the pain of being shunned by part of her own community. She is a black Muslim immigrant from Guinea who came to the United States a few years ago with her daughter, after the death of her husband. Even though she is known in the tight-knit Guinean-American community as a serious woman and a devout Muslim, being a victim of a rape, alleged or real, is not well seen in this community.

“If you disagree,” said a man interviewed by Le Monde in front of a New York mosque, “you yell, you defend yourself. Our guess here is that she was willing.”

As one Senegalese specialist on Africa told Le Monde, “Islamic Americans have a culture of machismo. If a woman is a victim of a rape, they tend to believe that she looked for it.” Some Guinean-Americans even suspect her of having invented the story to extort money from Mr. Strauss-Kahn.

“By the way,” another Guinean man asked the French newspaper, “why did she wait so long to call the police?”

According to some French news reports, the answer is quite simple: After the alleged assault, she was found by other hotel workers cowering in a closet, trying to throw up, spitting on the floor and incapable of speaking – traumatized, in other words.

One interpretation is that it is her supervisor and the hotel management who insisted on calling police and convinced her to lodge a complaint. This is why the police were called more than an hour after the encounter between Mr. Strauss-Kahn and the woman. This is entirely believable: A shy, semi-literate African immigrant, a Muslim woman to boot, might have instinctively preferred to shut up rather than denounce a man whose identity she didn’t know at the time but who was certainly important since he stayed in an expensive suite. And true to her country’s culture, she might have felt shamed even if she had no responsibility in the event.

The woman is surrounded by a good team of lawyers, and her colleagues at the Sofitel hotel are supportive, but she faces the equivalent of a legal war machine. Mr. Strauss-Kahn and his wife, former journalist and heiress Anne Sinclair, will spend millions to try to clear his name. The two high-profile lawyers hired by Mr. Strauss-Kahn are tough as nails.

They hired Guidepost Solutions, a prominent detective agency, which is now searching for any wrongdoing that they could find in the complainant’s personal history. The agency will be conducting a search as far as Tchakulé, the dirt-poor tiny village the complainant comes from.

If Mr. Strauss-Kahn is eventually found guilty – or if he pleads guilty in exchange for a smaller sentence – this woman will have been twice victimized.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/the-chambermaids-ordeal-never-ends/article2037948/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2037948

Reporting does not get anymore biased than this..
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:22 pm
@firefly,
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Except she hasn't brought a civil suit.

And, anyone who approaches her now with offers of money would be engaging in witness tampering.


Oh you are saying that if his lawyers offer her lawyers to settle any possible future civil actions she might file from this event that it would be witness tampering!!!!!!!

Sorry as long as the talks does not directly connect the civil matters to the criminal matters I am 99.999 percent sure you are wrong once more as it is hardly uncommon to have settlements talks before a case is file.

In any case those three lawyers of her will made a move before a criminal trial as trying to enforce any US civil judgment in the French legal system in this case is not going to be a walk in the old park.

So if they are going to get $$$$$ out of the man it will be before a criminal trial not afterward.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I am sure that the people of France will be suitably impressed that the state of New York is throwing their best legal minds at this case and sparing no expense to convict a Frenchman of a relatively minor sexual assault crime.

Sexual assaults in the first degree are not "relatively minor"--they are the most serious types of sexual assaults. The possibility of 25 years in jail is hardly given for a "minor" crime of any type.

Considering the fact you consider both yourself and DSK to be libertines, and you have said that, since you are "twisted", that you can understand him, and since you have repeatedly said you would disregard the rape/sexual assault laws, why do you find it so difficult to believe he might have done the same thing?

Maybe, like you, he thought that, at best, it would be considered a "minor offense", and that the NYPD wouldn't hotfoot it to the airport to take him off the plane. If this incident had occurred in France, the whole thing might well have been covered up. His mistake might have been forgetting he wasn't in France.

Not to consider the possibly that he did whatever the hotel maid reported to the police, and told the grand jury, is rather ridiculous denial on your part.

I think it is clear that the D.A. doesn't consider anything about this case "minor", and neither should you, if you want to be at all honest about the situation. And, while he might have the legal presumption of innocence right now, there is also a definite possibility he might be guilty.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
Interesting. You've picked that up at one of Canada's most conservative national papers.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:46 pm
@firefly,
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think it is clear that the D.A. doesn't consider anything about this case "minor", and neither should you, if you want to be at all honest about the situation. And, while he might have the legal presumption of innocence right now, there is also a definite possibility he might be guilty.


The DA is getting world wide attentions over this matter so of course he does not consider it minor.

Hell if everything go well he might be able to run for higher office off this case.

An yes DSK might be guilty even if the story now in the public domain on it face is unbelievable and illogical.

firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:52 pm
@BillRM,
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So if they are going to get $$$$$ out of the man it will be before a criminal trial not afterward.

Perhaps she'd rather see him in prison for what he did to her.

He may well make a plea deal--his defense attorney, Brafman, is well known for being able to work out sweetheart plea deals for his clients. A great plea deal is better than the risk of a conviction after trial.

She can bring a civil suit any time within the next year. If she really wants to see this resolved in the criminal courts, she won't bring a civil action before the criminal case concludes. Her incentive to agree to a plea deal would be to move on to a civil suit against him.

You assume she can be bought. She might not feel the same way about it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:54 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
think it is clear that the D.A. doesn't consider anything about this case "minor", and neither should you, if you want to be at all honest about the situation. And, while he might have the legal presumption of innocence right now, there is also a definite possibility he might be guilty.


The DA is getting world wide attentions over this matter so of course he does not consider it minor.

Hell if everything go well he might be able to run for higher office off this case.

An yes DSK might be guilty even if the story now in the public domain on it face is unbelievable and illogical.


As the article pointed out this DA has a political imperative to hit DSK hard.....this is about his career, not justice. I predict that the French will over time become even more disgusted with American morals and systems than they already are. Any head way that the tiny band of French Feminists make over the next few months will be short lived, the French will not tolerate the amount of abuse at the hands of the state that we Americans will.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:56 pm
@firefly,
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I think it is clear that the D.A. doesn't consider anything about this case "minor", and neither should you,
Thanks, but I like to do my own thinking and deciding.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:57 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Interesting. You've picked that up at one of Canada's most conservative national papers.
And? I take information and ideas from anybody and everybody. Dont you?
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
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As the article pointed out this DA has a political imperative to hit DSK hard.....this is about his career, not justice.

His career is heading the Manhattan D.A.'s office right now. And, I suspect, that when they made the decision to arrest DSK, it was all about justice.

You think that prosecuting anyone for sexual assaults, even the most serious, forcible sexual assaults, is "abuse at the hands of the state". Our prisons are filled with people who think exactly the same way you do.

Even in France, forcible sexual assaults are considered heinous crimes.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:04 pm
@firefly,
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You assume she can be bought. She might not feel the same way about it.


She would not need three lawyers if she was not looking for the $$$$$$$$ and three lawyers would not be working for her if there was not an attempt in the work to go for those $$$$$$$$.

Now she can go for a civil judgment at any time however once more trying to get $$$$$ out of a French citizen in this case with a US court judgment is not going to be a walk in the park and that is not even taking into considerations the steps I am such he is now taking with his advisers to shield his accesses from any judgment.

If with a judgment against OJ a US citizen and not a finance expert only a fraction of his wealth could be seize good luck in getting money out of DSK.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:14 pm
@firefly,
The poor man Cyrus Roberts Vance, Jr. had only been in office a year and already his first major case,the cops rape case, went to **** on him.

If he keep losing important cases he likely not going even be able win an election for dog catcher in the future.

An you can assume that Mr. Vance place justice over his own future and that the maid care more about placing DSK in prison then in becoming wealth beyond her dreams but the rest of us tend to live in the real world.

Here is the link to information on Mr. Vance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Vance,_Jr.

firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:32 pm
@BillRM,
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She would not need three lawyers if she was not looking for the $$$$$$$$ and three lawyers would not be working for her if there was not an attempt in the work to go for those $$$$$$$$.

She needs three lawyers because of all the people DSK will have coming after her. It really is just that simple.

And, yes, lawyers do work pro bono. In addition, they get free publicity, and they enhance their public image of being "good guys". And, in this case, they may have compassion for a woman who is going to find herself embroiled in a very ugly, very highly publicized trial, and who needs all the support, legal and otherwise, that she can get.

Two of her three lawyers now assisting her are not expert in areas of law that would be necessary in a civil suit involving sexual assault. A civil suit involves a re-trying, or a trying, of the criminal case, and, given the type of defense that DSK would mount, she would need experienced criminal attorneys for a civil suit--even one that hoped for a settlement before it went to verdict.

You see this as all about money. You must be the kind of person who immediately screams, "Whiplash!" and runs for the nearest lawyer if someone taps the back of your car.

This might not be about money for either the hotel maid or the lawyers who are assisting her. She might well want to see DSK appropriately tried in a courtroom. She might want justice. Her lawyers might want those same things.

You just can't get those $$$$$ out of your own eyes. Not everyone is like you.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:43 pm
@firefly,
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She needs three lawyers because of all the people DSK will have coming after her. It really is just that simple.
Only if she files a civil suit, as of now the only fight is the state of New York V DSK. Her lawyering up is a clear indication that she intends to turn this alleged event into a payday.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Her lawyering up is a clear indication that she intends to turn this alleged event into a payday

No, that's not true. DSK's team will try to destroy this woman's character and reputation--both in the media, and in the courtroom--and everyone knows that, including the lawyers assisting her. You might find this hard to believe, but her good name might be very important to her.

At least two of the three lawyers now helping her would not be appropriate for a civil suit in this case.

So far, she is acting like she wants to see the man she alleges sexually assaulted her in prison. And helping to convict him, might insure her of a bigger "payday" if she later brings a civil suit after the criminal proceedings are concluded.

The woman in the rape case involving the two NYPD officers made a mistake by lodging her civil suit before the criminal case ended--the defense used it against her at trial by claiming she was a gold-digger who fabricated her rape allegation. Why would the hotel maid want to risk damaging her own credibility by prematurely filing a civil suit?
 

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