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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I do however believe that the state is doing everything that they can to control the environment of Ophelia, and working this to their advantage.


I would love to know how three lawyers got involved with her in such short order.

A "victim" with a team of three lawyers within a week or so amazing.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:48 pm
@firefly,
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He knew he was leaving the country in a few hours and he might have thought he'd be gone before they did anything.


So this PhD high IQ international banker was so sure that the police would not do anything in the time frame that he call repeat call the hotel and told them where he was located in order to get the return of a cell phone??????
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:49 pm
@BillRM,
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and was able to manhandle a woman thirty years younger in the manner reported.


What do you mean Bill by "manhandle"? He couldn't get her pantyhose off they said. That anybody would want to get pantyhose off at all is a bit of a stretch in itself but to not be able to manage it and get accused of manhandling her at the same time is bloody ridiculous.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Seems to me that her lawyers would have an ethical duty to pass along proposals from DSK for a settlement

Haven't you heard of witness tampering--or the fact it is a crime?

If they try to bribe her, by offering her money not to cooperate with the D.A., that is witness tampering.

DSK's accuser is the state of New York. The alleged victim is a primary witness in their case. They always protect their witnesses if they have any fears for their safety.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:55 pm
@High Seas,
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Furthermore - is it standard procedure for accusers to be held incommunicado by the NYPD and have their incoming calls monitored?


Blimey--that custody too and invasion of privacy and goodness knows what else in a lawyer's feeding frenzy.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:56 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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He knew he was leaving the country in a few hours and he might have thought he'd be gone before they did anything.


So this PhD high IQ international banker was so sure that the police would not do anything in the time frame that he call repeat call the hotel and told them where he was located in order to get the return of a cell phone??????
That does not even make sense, he has a residence in America, his job required him to be in America often, he was likely going to be the next president of France, and he is going to give that all up for an illegal blow job with a chambermaid and plan a fast get-away...and then ruin THAT by calling the hotel so the he could be easily found??!! And you say that the those who believe that there was a conspiracy to get DSK are out there??!!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:56 pm
@firefly,
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Haven't you heard of witness tampering--or the fact it is a crime?


Sorry you can settle a civil suit anytime as one of my postings have cover the law in this regard in some details.

You can not condition the settlement on her dropping the charges or not helping the prosecution however you handle that matter with a wink between lawyers.

See the Kobe case once more.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 04:58 pm
@spendius,
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What do you mean Bill by "manhandle"? He couldn't get her pantyhose off they said.
And even with his weight advantage could not keep her pinned...and even though is as an old out of shape white boy it is claimed that he could outrun her.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:01 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

DSK's accuser is the state of New York. The alleged victim is a primary witness in their case.

Without her accusation they have 00.00 - Cyrus Vance Jr., Esq., District Attorney, Borough of Manhattan, has said as much. There's a difference between witnesses and alleged victims - the former can be held in contempt of court if they refuse to testify, the latter can't. Read up on the law before posting.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:02 pm
@BillRM,
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I would love to know how three lawyers got involved with her in such short order.

A "victim" with a team of three lawyers within a week or so amazing.


This woman has a lot of public sympathy from people who believe she was sexually assaulted by DSK and who want to help her because she has found herself in the midst of a very high profile media blitz and she is going to be subjected to all sorts of attacks by DSK's defense team. She does need lawyers to represent her interests.

Meanwhile, DSK has more than just a team of lawyers working for him...
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Meet the People Responsible for Saving Strauss-Kahn
By Ujala Sehgal
10:32 AM ET

The Strauss-Kahn defense, like raising a child, takes a village. While the law and order team has been leaking statements from the alleged victim, Strauss-Kahn has been quietly assembling a fully loaded crisis dream team, Reuters reports. People consulted or hired so far include ex-CIA spies, private investigators, slick celebrity attorneys, top executives at corporations, and all the PR agents one might ever need. It's quite the cast of characters. Let's see who one of the world's best-connected men reaches out to in a crisis.

The Suits. The legal team is led by prominent New York criminal lawyer Benjamin Brafman, who has represented Michael Jackson, Sean "P. Diddy" Combs, and Jay-Z, among other celebrities and high-profile defendants. Known for his wit, preparation, and aggression, according to a 1998 profile in New York magazine, "His detractors see a darker side, accusing Brafman of using underhanded, albeit legal, courtroom tactics to win, and cynically manipulating the press with carefully orchestrated leaks."

The Fixer. While the lawyers are usually the public face, every operation has one mysterious puppet-master that stays behind the scenes, looking at the big picture and pulling strings to make sure everything stays on track. They come with high-power but a very low-profile. In Strauss-Kahn's case, that job belongs the little-known Washington-based "strategic advisory" firm TD International, a source close to the firm told Reuters.

TD International's operations are something of a mystery. The firm's website identifies two of its partners as former CIA officers, and says it offers clients such services as "strategic consulting", "commercial intelligence," "due diligence" and "security services." Former clients include Yulia Tymoshenko, leader of Ukraine's "Orange Revolution" who later served as prime minister, and Strauss-Kahn himself. As TD International, naturally, won't "comment on client relationships," Reuters looked at its Justice Department filings. A contract between the firm and Strauss-Kahn dated July 18, 2007, shows he hired the firm to "conduct a specific public relations campaign" and "work is to begin immediately and continue until ascendancy of client to head of IMF." Read: ensure he gets the job.

The Muscle. The second firm Strauss-Kahn hired, a source close to him told Reuters, is Guidepost Solutions, a prominent New York private investigation firm which specializes both in physical security systems and "expert investigative and security consulting services and advice." So both a bodyguard and a private investigator. Sound ominous? A source familiar with Guidepost said one of the firm's principal lines of business is to conduct "factual investigations." In a case like this, the source said, defense lawyers would "need to know what the facts are" and Guidepost could help them figure that out. "But the source downplayed any suggestion Guidepost would be involved in trying to dig up information on Strauss-Kahn's alleged victim." Right.

The Wise Guys. Everyone gets by with a little help from their friends. Since 1999, Strauss-Kahn has worked closely in France with four people known as "the Four Musketeers" who are current or former top executives at the Euro RSCG public relations firm's Paris operation. They are something of a motley crew. Musketeer Stephane Fouks, a former music producer, denies the firm's involvement. The second musketeer Gilles Finchelstein, an "intellectual" who is president of a think-tank close to the Socialist Party, has not yet come up in the story. But the other two seem to be playing a role. Anne Hommel went with Strauss-Kahn's wife Anne Sinclair to New York after his arrest, and distributed her statement of support. And fourth musketeer Ramzi Khiroun is chief spokesman at Lagardere, whose media holdings include Paris Match magazine. The magazine came out with a 10-page spread on the case, with pictures of a happy Strauss-Kahn with Sinclair, and other assorted and loving family photos.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/05/introducing-strauss-kahns-crisis-dream-team/38275/


Given DSK's lineup, the alleged victim needs her own team of lawyers. Trying to destroy her credibility, and character, and reputation, will likely be central to their case.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:02 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry you can settle a civil suit anytime as one of my postings have cover the law in this regard in some details
you can be damn sure that the state has done their best to cover their position by threatening her lawyers with a witness tampering charge if they misbehave...
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:04 pm
@firefly,
Here is a repost of the law in paying the lady off to just go away far away.

Bright lawyers with millions on the line will find away to get around breaking the law in any provable manner.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/26/us-strausskahn-bribe-idUSTRE74P60T20110526

Edition:U.S.
Could money make Strauss-Kahn case go away?
NEW YORK | Thu May 26, 2011 1:26pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The possibility of a payoff arises frequently in cases such as Dominique Strauss-Kahn's sexual-assault charge, where the defendant has power and wealth and the accuser has neither.

It came up again after The New York Post reported on Tuesday that friends of the indicted former International Monetary Fund chief tried to pay off the alleged victim's family in exchange for recanting her claims that Strauss-Kahn tried to rape her and forced her to perform oral sex on him: What would happen to the prosecution's case if the Sofitel hotel maid decided to retract her allegations?

On Wednesday Reuters reported that Strauss-Kahn's lawyers denied the report, and there is no evidence that a payoff attempt occurred. But the conjecture alone raises complex legal and ethical issues.

Prosecutors confronted with a suddenly recalcitrant witness must contend with the requirements of the Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment, which guarantees a defendant the right "to be confronted with the witnesses against him."

Their paths around this mandate are limited and not particularly appealing, analysts say.

First they could subpoena the witness, requiring her to testify and hoping she would decide to stick with her original story. But such a move could backfire if the witness backed the defendant's version of events.

If the witness delivered a different account of events on the stand, prosecutors could impeach her credibility by pointing out that she told a different version to police or to the grand jury. The threat of perjury is also available if the witness previously testified under oath -- as she did last week in front of the grand jury.

Normally the hearsay rule prohibits prosecutors from introducing previous out-of-court statements, experts say. But there are exceptions, several of which could be applicable in the Strauss-Kahn case.

EXCITED UTTERANCES

According to authorities, the alleged victim immediately told hotel staff and police officers that she had been assaulted. These statements could be admissible under the "excited utterance" exception to the hearsay rule, which allows unsworn statements made spontaneously following a shocking event to be submitted as evidence of what occurred.

"Most likely, there were a whole bunch of excited utterances -- to hotel staff and to the first police officers that arrived," said Daniel Bibb, a former Manhattan prosecutor. "This kind of evidence is common."

Another hearsay exception, known as "immediate outcry," and available only in sex-crime prosecutions, would permit prosecutors to submit certain out-of-court statements the alleged victim made following the incident, Bibb said. This exception is often used to bolster the credibility of alleged victims who do not report the crime to authorities right away.

Prosecutors could also proceed without her testimony altogether, relying on the physical evidence collected at the scene, for instance. Going ahead even without a victim's testimony is done most frequently in domestic violence cases, which are often hamstrung by witnesses who eventually decline to testify to protect their partners. It's generally known as "evidence-based prosecution."

But this would be an unlikely option for Strauss-Kahn's prosecutors. "You don't see that happening in many sex crimes cases," said Anne Milgram, the former attorney general of New Jersey, who doubts a case could be made against Strauss-Kahn without the alleged victim. "The prosecution needs the witness in this case."

In many domestic violence cases, lawyers say, there is additional evidence of a crime: bruises, for example, or neighbors who heard fighting.

PROVING A BRIBE

If, however, the prosecution could prove that the alleged victim's sudden change of heart was due to a bribe or threat from Strauss-Kahn or someone associated with him, their options expand. In such a case, the woman's sworn testimony to the grand jury and her statements to police could be submitted as evidence, even though Strauss-Kahn's lawyers had no chance to cross-examine her, according to David Jaros, a former Brooklyn public defender.

As long as the defendant has "dirtied his hands" by witness tampering, a judge could decide he has waived his Sixth Amendment right to confront his accuser, Jaros said.

But proving such a charge against the defendant himself can be difficult. "They would have to show that the defendant was involved in tampering with the witness before they could access any kind of sworn statement that she had made," Jaros said.

On the other hand, a bribe from a third party, not traceable to the defendant, would probably not be enough to erase his right to confront the witness. In such a case, prosecutors could only introduce grand jury testimony to impeach the alleged victim if she changed her account. They could not use it as evidence of what actually happened.

Any bribe paid at Strauss-Kahn's behest would be illegal and subject him to additional charges. In theory, prosecutors could go after anyone who tried to bribe the alleged victim's family although arresting a foreign national -- whether in France or Africa, where the maid's family lives -- might prove difficult.

"If people offer bribes to folks in Africa for the purpose of interfering with the testimony of a witness in New York, that conduct would be cognizable by the New York courts, and they might be criminally liable for it," said John Moscow of Baker Hostetler, a criminal defense lawyer in New York.

CIVIL SUIT

The more likely way in which money might play a role in ending the case would be through a civil lawsuit filed by the alleged victim. In general, legal experts say, crime victims are better off waiting for the criminal case to be resolved before proceeding with a civil complaint, for a variety of reasons. But they occasionally proceed simultaneously.

On Wednesday night, Reuters reported that the maid's lawyer, Jeffrey Shapiro, has added two attorneys to her legal team, in part to decide "whether there is a civil case going forward," he said. He noted that any civil suit would need to be filed within one year of the incident.

When basketball star Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, his alleged victim filed a civil lawsuit shortly before the criminal case was dismissed, reportedly because she decided she didn't want to testify. The case eventually settled for an undisclosed sum.

In another celebrity case, pop singer Michael Jackson paid millions in 1994 to settle a civil lawsuit brought by a boy who accused him of sexual assault, even as two grand juries were convening to consider charges. No charges were ever filed, in part because the accusing witness said he would not testify.

If a civil suit has been filed, lawyers can work out a settlement at any time, though they must comply with ethics rules mandating that the criminal and civil cases remain separate.

The suggestion that a witness's testimony in a criminal trial would be affected by a civil settlement could draw obstruction of justice charges and disbarment.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
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you can be damn sure that the state has done their best to cover their position by threatening her lawyers with a witness tampering charge if they misbehave...


These are high power lawyers with connections with the state so they know just how near to the legal border they can get without breaking the law in any verifiable manner.

With millions and perhaps ten of millions in the balance they are going to find a way.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:15 pm
@firefly,
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Given DSK's lineup, the alleged victim needs her own team of lawyers. Trying to destroy her credibility, and character, and reputation, will likely be central to their case.


An three lawyers are going to be working for free out of the goodness of their legal heart to protest this poor maid good name?

What a strange universe you are living in or what a strange idea of the degree of silliness you can sell to us on this site.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:19 pm
@BillRM,
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With millions and perhaps ten of millions in the balance they are going to find a way.
Which is why the story that DSK's people were in Africa trying to bribe her family sounded like a planted PR pieced aimed at diminishing DSK. The only question is which of his enemies were running that operation? Well that and does this operation lend credibility to those who claim that the original event was a set up.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
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You are correct that the French are more opposed than are Americans to the feminist program of making humans its,


The problem with the androgynous "its" idea is that an assault cannot be any longer judged in terms of its sexual "mystique". An assault between a male and a female becomes identical with an assault between a male and a male or a female and a female or a female on a male and those are usually determined in relation to physical injuries. Hence any extra emphasis on the male on female over the others necessarily admits "Vive la differance" and puts the androgeny seeking feminists up a gum tree.

They seek androgeny with the housework, with bringing up baby and in the workplace but not when they play their ace. The case depends upon traditional patriarchal attitudes to make the slightest sense. And any mature woman who goes into a $3,000 a night hotel not knowing what those are is either completely stupid or acting coy for the jury.

If I was DSK's lawyer I would seek an all woman jury. Women know how those cookies crumble better than men who are just posturing their browbeaten credentials anyway in their denial of the advantages the patriarchal values have provided them with at home. Or with office juniors.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
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an old out of shape white boy it is claimed that he could outrun her
Thats probably true.... there arent many women in shoes who can out run a barefoot man over the distance of a motel room .
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 05:58 pm
@Ionus,
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there arent many women in shoes who can out run a barefoot man over the distance of a motel room .


This was a little more then a hotel room...................
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 06:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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With millions and perhaps ten of millions in the balance they are going to find a way.
Which is why the story that DSK's people were in Africa trying to bribe her family sounded like a planted PR piece...

Why not read the papers instead of speculating in the absence of facts? The Guinean countryside has never seen so many white faces descend on it:
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The road to Tchiakoulle is long and exhausting...Deep inside the Guinean countryside, 300 miles from the capital Conakry, the dirt track peters out before reaching the hillside village. Buses are swapped for motorbikes, and then travel by foot, climbing three miles across the rolling hills until, in a clearing in the scrub, a cluster of small mud huts come into view...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8543743/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-Maids-family-describe-pious-respectable-girl-who-grew-up-in-remote-rural-Guinea.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 06:14 pm
@High Seas,
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Why not read the papers instead of speculating in the absence of facts? The Guinean countryside has never seen so many white faces descend on it:


What facts are you referring to? DSK's people said that they were sending people, but they claim that they are looking for dirt on Ophelia, and I am aware of no reason to doubt them.
 

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