Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/nyregion/strauss-kahn-case-forces-french-americans-to-examine-loyalties.html

several interesting takes on the situation, including these two

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Mr. Touchard, who came to New York as a child from Brittany with his restaurateur parents, does not consider it out of the question that Mr. Strauss-Kahn was framed by opponents aware of his history with women. Mr. Strauss-Kahn was rebuked by the I.M.F. in 2008 for an affair with a married Hungarian subordinate.

“If you want to take down your enemy, you have to know his weakness,” Mr. Touchard said.

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Still, Mr. Bishop of N.Y.U. said, French-Americans are aware that in France, similar charges embroiling a powerful politician might have been “swept under the rug” by a justice system he said was more susceptible to political intrigue. The more scrupulous American justice system is something the French here grow to appreciate, he said.

“The system doesn’t always work perfectly,” Mr. Bishop said, “but people cannot just walk away from something.”

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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Why not all get organised and form the Co-operative Union of Nagging Termagents and stand for office.

Be careful what you wish for Spendi. I know a lot of blokes who would relish the opportunity to shout out such an acronym legitimately. I might even vote for such an acronym. At least they're being honest.

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@ehBeth,

The idea that the french will grow to approve of american "justice" is delusional. The french people nearly universally condemn what they see of our system, consider it not worthy of a democratic people. You see this at the high end as well, where European lead courts now mostly ignore SCOTUS opinions, where they once actively patterned their law upon the American judicial temperment.

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@hawkeye10,

What I found particularly interesting in that article, and others from French media (not translated), was the acceptance that it could have been the result of a conspiracy as this sort of behaviour is something M. Strauss-Kahn was noted for. They haven't really explained how the conspiracy could have been planned for the past three years though.

The youtube clip I posted earlier in the thread of the French comedian "exposing" M. Strauss-Kahn a couple of years ago was not the anomaly I originally thought.

People knew and talked about it - it was part of comedy routines - it simply didn't make it into the news.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

they once actively patterned their law upon the American judicial temperment.

I think you're imagining this.

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@ehBeth,

The idea is that it was known that DSK would have that room, and it was known that this maid does that floor everyday. It is a simple matter to go to her with a fully hatched plan. If it works then she gets a multi million dollar payday. Also, this floor Ophelia was doing only because she had recently bid for it ofter the regular maid took leave (possibly a very extended one...I certainly want to know if this is aworkmans comp situation), maybe DSK got trapped by a woman who was looking for a generic fat cat, but this seems less likely.

One thing that I will be looking for at trial is the assertion from OPHELIA that she did not know who DSK was. It is clear that DSK did not believe the claim at the at the time. DSK has the best investigative team that money can buy, I have faith that they will get to the bottom of the question.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
they once actively patterned their law upon the American judicial temperment.

I think you're imagining this.

experts know that I am not...long ago I linked at A2K an extensive study that proves that the Europeans rarely mention American law in their arguements anymore, and that it was especially common after ww2 for them to do so.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

it was especially common after ww2 for them to do so.

good god man, that was 60+ years ago

the world as a whole has come a long way since then

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

experts know

oooh <snap>

suggesting I'm not an expert

that's painful

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I certainly want to know if this is a workmans comp situation

<snip>

One thing that I will be looking for at trial

I certainly hope you're telling the defendant's team about your expectations.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

the Europeans rarely mention American law in their arguements anymore

European courts do mention U.S. laws; U.S. courts starting with the Supreme Court also cite European laws - it's standard practice in financial, maritime, trade, patents, and other international laws. Since several posters here mentioned reporting in French media, btw, the French can actually spell "argument"!

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LE MAUVAIS ARGUMENT

> translation: "the bad argument"
> source: Le Monde newspaper http://www.lemonde.fr/web/recherche_breve/1,13-0,37-1158134,0.html
> hint: get spellcheck, can't hurt

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

DSK has the best investigative team that money can buy, I have faith that they will get to the bottom of the question.

And if instead of finding a zebra, they find a horse and can't shake her story or pin her to a conspiracy or make her out as an opportunist looking for some quick money, what then? What if despite DSK's fortune, his investigative teams, his international connections he brings, the slurs hurdled at his accuser her story sticks?

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@engineer,

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What if despite DSK's fortune, his investigative teams, his international connections he brings, the slurs hurdled at his accuser her story sticks?

It possible that the man went insane with lust and a man who look decades older then his known age of 62 was able to manhandle a health 30s something woman however it is highly highly unlikely.

Oh your used of the word slur tell us all we need to know of your stand in this matter.

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@engineer,

What's the downside of the defense hiring investigators? The Guinean village she comes from is overrun by Western media - her mother, uncles, cousins, etc are getting paid more money than they collectively saw in their entire lives for one-time interviews. Why does this worry you - what might investigators discover? Furthermore - is it standard procedure for accusers to be held incommunicado by the NYPD and have their incoming calls monitored?

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@engineer,

Here is the man who was able to overpower a 30s something maid and force her to give him a blow job against her will.

Frankly if he had try something of that nature on my wife who is older then her 30s she would have taken him apart in my opinion.

PS I love the music...........

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@hawkeye10,

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it was known that DSK would have that room, and it was known that this maid does that floor everyday.

How far in advance would "they" have known that DSK would be in NYC on that weekend? He wasn't there on IMF business, and no one seems to know exactly why in he was in the City on those particular dates.

You think the same maid works 7 days a week on that floor?

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It is a simple matter to go to her with a fully hatched plan. If it works then she gets a multi million dollar

If the regular maid on that floor had only recently become ill, which one would have gotten the multi-million payoff--the regular maid, or the replacement (the alleged victim in the DSK case)?

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maybe DSK got trapped by a woman who was looking for a generic fat cat,

So, you think she trapped him into sexually assaulting her? Rolling Eyes

How do you explain the fact that another hotel worker had told her the DSK suite was empty before she entered to clean it? Was he part of the plan too, and just lying about saying the suite was empty?

Do you think the entire Sofitel Hotel staff was involved with this alleged trap of DSK? Rolling Eyes

How about the possibility that he actually committed the forcible sexual assaults he is charged with?

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@firefly,

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You think the same maid works 7 days a week on that floor?

Everyday she works she does, and being a union shop she almost certainly has a set schedule, the same 5 or six days of work every week.

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How far in advance would "they" have known that DSK would be in NYC on that weekend

Not known, but we do know that he always has that suite, and that he was there three times in the last year for a total of 7 times that are known, maybe more. He was bound to show up, and odds are that she would be working, the exact day it happens is irrelevant under the conspiracy theory.

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If the regular maid on that floor had only recently become ill, which one would have gotten the multi-million payoff--the regular maid, or the replacement (the alleged victim in the DSK case)?

The maid that usually does that floor has been out for many weeks, I am not sure what her deal is of how long she is ecpected to be gone, but this is not a few day thing. One union shop I worked in allowed leaves for up to a year.

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So, you think she trapped him into sexually assaulting her

IDK what happened, but according to the theory she came on to him, sucked him off, then at the very end gave him a shove, took off, and then engaged the hysterics and the lies. Obviously this does not work if they had the conversation that she says they did, but we dont know what he says she said yet.

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Do you think the entire Sofitel Hotel staff was involved with this alleged trap of DSK

IDK what happened, but for the conspiracy theorists to be right the only person who needs to be lying is Ophelia, everybody else is only documenting her performance.

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How about the possibility that he actually committed the forcible sexual assaults he is charged with?

Considering that the guy is 72 YO and even after all of this publicity we have not heard of a single woman who claims that DSK did anything similar to what is claimed here that is extremely unlikely. The only part of this story that sounds like DSK is the touching her breasts and asking for sex, the claims of force are not documented ever in his life with the possible exception of a novel that is said to be based upon DSK having on the plot that he forced a Mexico City maid to have sex with him, but given that we dont have anyone even saying that this happened in real life I think that we can assume that was fiction until we here a claim otherwise.

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How do you explain the fact that another hotel worker had told her the DSK suite was empty before she entered to clean it

Have the cops claimed that they have verification of this? If so I have not seen it. And who was this person? We dont know and we dont know what the routine is for letting the maids know the status of the rooms, and how refined it is.

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@firefly,

The more likely theory is that he paid her for a fast blow job and then she fear that someone had found out or would find out that she had sex with a customer and thereby loss her job.

So a fast case of consensus sex turn into a rape and now she and her three repeat three lawyers had their eyes on the pot of gold of a civil settlement.

A lot of theories however made far more sense in any case then that he went insane and was able to manhandle a woman thirty years younger in the manner reported.

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@High Seas,

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Furthermore - is it standard procedure for accusers to be held incommunicado by the NYPD and have their incoming calls monitored?

The claim is that DSK's people are trying to go through the African relatives because they can't get word to her directly. Seems to me that her lawyers would have an ethical duty to pass along proposals from DSK for a settlement, but the claim is that they do not do it. I dont believe that DSK is trying to buy her off, though some of his friends may have with out his permission....I do however believe that the state is doing everything that they can to control the environment of Ophelia, and working this to their advantage.

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@BillRM,

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The more likely theory is that he paid her for a fast blow job and then she fear that someone had found out or would find out that she had sex with a customer and thereby loss her job.

How about he thought he'd be able to pay her for a fast blow job, but she resisted and he figured he'd pay her afterward, both to shut her up or to make her look like a liar if she claimed she was attacked but had money in her pocket. But, he didn't figure on her escaping and going immediately to hotel security.

And, what he might not have figured on, at all, was that the NYPD would believe her and act so quickly. He knew he was leaving the country in a few hours and he might have thought he'd be gone before they did anything.

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