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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:36 pm
@spendius,
They spread it round a bit liberally at St. Mary's Stadium. As far as I know they were all eaten by one fat bastard.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:40 pm
@msolga,
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And no one but the Brits were outraged...... We Australian's thought the whole drama was utterly ridiculous.
Allow some of us to speak for ourselves ..... it is the equivalent of the Prime Minister of Guacamole pushing the President of the USA around . He did it because he thinks of her as a woman and not as the head of HIS Government .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:41 pm
@BillRM,
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So Spendius when the US first lady did the same to your poor queen it was also an assault?
When ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:43 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Do you think Mrs Clinton would have taken the decision to off OBL?
Definitely . She has more reason to be a man than a man does .
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:43 pm
@izzythepush,
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So what? That's like a magical infusion that makes fat blokes eat pies.


Sorry it would take magical of some kind for an international 62 years old banker who look 82 to get out of a shower and take one look at a hotel maid and be driven insane with lust.

Then this man who look like he have never seen the inside of a gym was able to overpower a 30s something maid and even was able to placed his penis inside her mouth and not get if bitten off.

This is the stuff of fantasy not even science fiction.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:46 pm
@spendius,
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Writing a book about that is like writing a book about paint drying.


Nobody wrote a book about that...what are you on about ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:47 pm
@izzythepush,
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That's like a magical infusion that makes fat blokes eat pies.
Its called advertisement .
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Irishk
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 05:51 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Spendius there was a Star Trek episode where a mountain herbs woman blow a powder into Kirk face that drove him wild with lust.


So what? That's like a magical infusion that makes fat blokes eat pies.

No, I think it's called Viagra.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 03:26 am
To Catch a Creep
How do you know who’s lying and who’s telling the truth about a rape? From no-name scoundrels to big-power suspects like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, these cops crack New York’s most shocking sex crimes.
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When the spokesman for the New York City Police Department wants to say nothing—and everything—about the most sensational alleged sex crime the NYPD has handled in years, he tells you in his best authoritative voice, “Experienced detectives found the complainant’s story to be credible and continued to find it so.”
Translated, what he’s saying is that when a 32-year-old African-immigrant maid at the luxury Sofitel Hotel in midtown Manhattan claimed on the afternoon of May 14 that the possible next president of France ran at her naked, grabbed her, groped her, and forced her to perform oral sex, the cops believed her story. On her word, the NYPD pulled the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, off a plane at JFK airport. They accused him of criminal sexual assault, attempted rape, and unlawful imprisonment. Strauss-Kahn firmly denied the charges, but just days later he resigned from the IMF. His presidential hopes in France are finished.


http://www.newsweek.com/2011/05/29/inside-the-nypd-s-special-victims-division.html

Newsweek fawns over the NYPD SVU
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 03:58 am
@hawkeye10,
Well hawk--it keeps attention to 12 Afghan kids and 2 women being killed in a bombing without due care and attention incident to a minimum.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 06:46 am
@spendius,
Careful what you say. There are some posters who will take that as proof you're a member of Al Qaida.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:33 am
@izzythepush,
I strenuously disapprove of the methods of that organisation and am not sorry to see its last leader dumped in the bay. But I do have sympathy with its motives which I assume to be the preservation of a way of life against inroads being made into it by our culture.

And I'm not defending the way of life either. There are some who talk about our way of life as if we will eventually split the earth asunder. Their way of life could never have risked that. Nor that of the Luddites. Which is superior destiny will decide.

There is a marked hankering exhibited in the "Home Made Lemon Cheese" and the "Butter from the Farmhouse Churn" price labels.

You can buy a display cabinet now for, say, $400 and when you get it out of the store it is worthless. And you can buy a display cabinet that cost £1. 3s.4d and has been battered up and down stairs for generations for $200,000.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:42 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:


You can buy a display cabinet now for, say, $400 and when you get it out of the store it is worthless. And you can buy a display cabinet that cost £1. 3s.4d and has been battered up and down stairs for generations for $200,000.


You're not using display cabinets properly. You should put the in the 'drawing room.' Lugging them up and down stairs may keep you fit, but that's not what they're intended for.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 10:12 am
@izzythepush,
Speaking of cabinets, this cabinet minister has just resigned...

Quote:

In "Post-DSK" France, Minister Falls To Accusations of Sexual Harassment
by Bruce Crumley
May 30, 2011

Is the downfall of former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn amid charges of attempted rape in the U.S. inspiring women in France to denounce the sexual coercion and aggression they've suffered from men for so long? The resignation Sunday of a French government minister accused of sexually harassing and assaulting two women would suggest that some sort of behavior revolution in France is indeed underway—and that more of the same is probably on the way. But because the habit of men (especially powerful ones) acting badly towards women has been so common and unchecked in France, some observers are already warning that if the budding offensive by French women to call out predatory males unfolds too rapidly, it could produce a backlash seeking to safeguard the abusive status quo.

On Sunday, junior civil service minister Georges Tron resigned his cabinet post six days after the first of two women who worked for the suburban Paris city Tron is mayor of filed suit against him for sexual harassment. Though Tron, 53, has emphatically denied the charges that he sexually attacked his accusers between 2007 and 2010, he stepped down Sunday vowing to prove his innocence. But other pressures were clearly at work in his departure. Given his earlier pledge to retain his post in the face of the allegations unless either President Nicolas Sarkozy or Prime Minister François Fillon asked him to leave, Tron's resignation made it clear ruling conservatives felt forced to distance the government from such a high-profile sex scandal—and possible crime. As such, the move starkly contrasted the defiance with which Sarkozy long stood by cabinet members rocked by earlier scandals. Tron's speedy ouster, then, can probably be scored as the first victory of harassed women in what's now being called “post-DSK” French society.Like Strauss-Kahn, Tron should be considered innocent until proven guilty. But like Strauss-Kahn, there are indications from legal officials that the charges being leveled at Tron are serious. "If the facts alleged are established, they could come under the headings of sexual aggression and rape." said French prosecutor Marie-Suzanne Le Queau. Based on the charges and corroborating accusations from the two women, an official preliminary inquiry has been launched to determine if a full investigation and possible court case is merited.

None of that establishes Tron as any more guilty at this point than Strauss-Kahn is. Still, the frequency and impunity with which men have sexually pressured and badgered women in France for decades has made presumption of innocence something of a luxury now that accusations of sexual misconduct or assault against male VIPs have finally come under the media glare. As Judith Warner notes in a recent Time essay, many women in France have responded to the Strauss-Kahn case—and the many (mostly male) voices that rang out to defend DSK by rejecting or minimizing the accusations of the victim—as an opportunity to force attention to the long hushed-up problem of sexual misconduct once and for all. Guilt or innocence in the DSK case is, of course, very important to establish on its own. But it seems even more urgent now for many French women to use it as an occasion to denounce male-dominated gender relations that make sexual aggression against women in France so common and tolerated—and which often condition both male perpetrators and their victims to think not much can be done about it.

"When I see that a little chambermaid is capable of taking on Dominique Strauss-Kahn, I tell myself I don't have the right to stay silent," one of Tron's unnamed accusers told the daily le Parisien last week, describing why she decided to follow the example of the Sofitel maid and level her accusations against the powerful man she says attacked her. "Other women may be suffering what I suffered. I have to help them. We have to break this code of silence."

On the political level, the allegations against Tron have dashed conservative hopes of using Strauss-Kahn's NYC rape charges (and wider, notorious reputation as a relentless womanizer) to establish some sort of moral high ground over rival Socialists ahead of next year's general elections. But more significantly, the view that the claims against Tron were so damning—in light of “post-DSK” French sensibilities about sexual assault--that his ouster from the government had become urgent reflects deep changes in French attitudes towards gender relations, male behavior, and women's right. And those, as Warner also notes in her essay, will outlive the current news cycle.

French women who say they've been victims of sexual assault—no matter how powerful or insignificant their attacker is—will no longer be brushed off or intimidated into silence. Neither will they be inclined to slink away from the French men they've accused of abuse, and who often seek to publicly turn the tables with the mocking rejoinder, “She's taking her fantasies for reality”.

“Finished are the behind-the-scenes pressuring, the covering up, and the silence: from now on, complaints will be registered and taken seriously,” Libération editor Nicolas Demorand writes in his Monday editorial, referring to post-DSK (and Tron) France. “Now that voices have been freed, and the ceiling of glass and shame has been bashed in, other scandals may now arise.”

On May 24, as she reacted to publication of the charges against Tron, conservative politician and former Justice Minister Rachida Dati suggested that if all victims of male sexual misconduct were to speak up, France's entire male political class would be decimated. “I think there are a lot of (male politicians) who must be a bit stressed out right now,” Dati said on TV channel Canal Plus. “A lot of them are looking down at their shoes and saying they really hope attention turns to something else soon.”

Which is where the danger of a male blow-back lies. Though most French men who initially rushed to DSK's defense have been forced to moderate their comments by the indignant response their original positions provoked, there is some fear old attitudes might surge anew in the face of multiplying accusation of sexual assault. Too many men even in “post-DSK” France have too much to lose if every woman they ever seduced, cajoled, pressured or forced into having sex were now to step up with their stories.

“I'm a little bit worried that after this imposed period of improved behavior by men towards women there may be a backlash of men saying enough is enough, and returning to bad old habits,” Sylvie Pierre-Brossolette, political editor of the weekly Le Point, told France Info radio Monday. While urging all women victims of sexual crimes or gross misconduct to take their cases to police, Pierre-Brossolette suggested attempts to settle all past scores could prove counter-productive. Even a limited number of DSK- and Tron-like cases she said, would go a long way toward modifying the behavior of males across France from here out.

“Just the threat of suits being filed in this new environment would be enough to cool off most of these kinds of men,” she noted. "And I hope any women confronted by this kind of terrible sexual pressure from now on will file suit."
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2074070,00.html
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 11:14 am
@firefly,
I think Tron is pretty small fry. I think the only reason that's making headlines is because of DSK. I think the French Establishment is still in denial and on the defensive over this.

I thought Tron was a computer programme.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 11:33 am
@izzythepush,
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I think Tron is pretty small fry. I think the only reason that's making headlines is because of DSK. I think the French Establishment is still in denial and on the defensive over this.

I agree. But, if it were not for DSK matter, I don't think the sexual harassment charges would ever have been leveled at Tron.

I think the denial is eroding. Not just Hawkeye's dreaded "feminists", but many other women, were outraged by the sexist comments made by the French intelligensia and political elite in support of DSK. The reaction, on the part of the establishment to DSK's arrest, has triggered off a tidel wave of anger from French women.
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Thursday, May. 26, 2011
Cherchez les Femmes
By Judith Warner

The resentment — indeed, the rage — was a long time in coming. Yet no one in France was quite prepared for the wave of female anger that crested and broke in the wake of former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn's arrest in New York City for the alleged sexual assault and attempted rape of a Sofitel hotel housekeeper. "It's a turning point," says Françoise Gaspard, a prominent sociologist and former politician who has for decades specialized in the study of gender and power in France. "People are saying things that were unthinkable 10 or 15 years ago. This is completely new."

The cause of insult wasn't Strauss-Kahn's purported actions; as everyone in France these days hastens to say, the former Finance Minister and, until very recently, leading contender for the 2012 French presidential elections hasn't been proved guilty. It was, rather, the way many key figures in France's intellectual and political elite instantly, reflexively converged to protect him — and, very often, to minimize, cast doubt upon or even ignore entirely the plight of the immigrant single mother from Guinea who'd accused him. "We don't know what happened in New York last Saturday, but we do know what happened in France in the last week," begins a petition drafted by a consortium of feminist groups that has gathered 25,000 signatures. The petition goes on to denounce not just sexual violence against women but also the "daily wave of misogynous commentary coming from public figures," the "anthology of sexist remarks" on the French airwaves and the Internet, and the "lightning-fast rise to the surface of sexist and reactionary reflexes" among the leading French figures defending Strauss-Kahn. A makeshift anti-sexism rally thrown together in a mere 24 hours drew big crowds, mostly young women, many bearing signs with catchy slogans such as "Men play, women pay" and "we are all chambermaids."

The show of anger forced the political and media elite to quickly change their tone. At the beginning of the DSK news cycle, his prominent defenders were protesting that he had been victimized by the U.S. justice system and media. By the time Strauss-Kahn made it out of Rikers Island and began his odyssey to find a place to call home while under house arrest in New York City, they were vigorously backtracking. Two of Strauss-Kahn's most influential friends apologized for their insensitivity: the journalist Jean-François Kahn, for having said the Sofitel affair was just a matter of "lifting a maid's skirt," and Jack Lang, a former government minister and longtime professed friend of women, who said, "It's not like anybody died." Ségolène Royal, the 2007 Socialist candidate for President, first expressed sympathy and "respect" for "the man going through this ordeal" but not a word about the alleged victim; eventually, watching the winds change, she signed the anti-sexism petition. (So, too, did First Lady Carla Bruni-Sarkozy.)

Feminist commentary — some written by men — started to appear in France's mainstream publications. The rally, which 10 years earlier would have provoked snickering coverage in the national press, was given respectful, if somewhat muted, attention. Women reporters started sharing their own stories of harassment and even assault by powerful men. Soon there was talk that feminist issues — things like sexual violence, unequal pay and the ubiquity of "everyday sexism," as a popular website founded to gather tales of random daily indignities put it — could figure prominently in the 2012 presidential campaign. Roselyne Bachelot, France's Minister of Solidarity and Social Cohesion, invited feminist leaders to meet with her to talk about how the government could help move their cause forward.

For French women, this could be the end of an era in which talking too forcefully about inequities between men and women has been rejected as too old-school, too angry, too American. French feminists have struggled for decades to walk the line between their goal of female empowerment and the cultural mandate of seduction, to stake out a position of Gallic exceptionalism that would essentially allow women to have it both ways. "At some point," says Chris Blache, a spokeswoman for the feminist group La Barbe, "women came to feel that life wasn't too bad, many things had been gained since the 1970s and we didn't need to fight anymore."

But French women never really were successful in having their cake and eating it too. Generous family policies aimed at both promoting fertility and allowing women to balance work and family have had the perverse effect of reinforcing age-old gender stereotypes, as employers proved unwilling to hire women of childbearing age on the grounds that they'd take too many costly and disruptive maternity leaves. The blurring of the line between flirtation and predation led to a pervasive culture of "sacred machismo," says Olivia Cattan, founder of the feminist organization Paroles de Femmes. "The limits have not been defined between libertinage and harassment in France." And the shared fealty to a "grownup" respect for private life, the code of silence surrounding the sexual indiscretions of powerful public figures in particular, created a climate that strongly discouraged women from speaking out if they were harmed.

According to sociologist Gaspard, the current upsurge of feminist activism has been driven in large part by a new generation: young women (and perhaps some young men too) raised on the promise of equality who have grown angry when reality hasn't met their expectations. And this new blood has revitalized a movement that in many ways, ever since the 1949 publication of Simone de Beauvoir's The Second Sex, has struggled to move beyond the theoretical, intellectual sphere and unite women in a sense of shared experience. "It's now practical. They're dealing with immediate, and insupportable, sexism," Gaspard says.

French women have plenty of practical matters to be angry about. A much heralded 2001 "parity" law that required political parties to offer voters equal numbers of male and female candidates has had little effect at the highest levels of elected office as parties have time and again preferred to pay fines rather than run sufficient numbers of women. Repeated legislative efforts to promote pay equality have borne little fruit. After a period of some improvement in the 1970s and 1980s, wage inequality between men and women has persisted or even worsened over the past 15 years; women's earnings are still, on average, about 20% lower than men's. The trend toward workplace flexibility of the past 10 years has tended to push women disproportionately into unstable and low-paid part-time positions.

"Finally, women found out that nothing had changed," Blache says. "Appearances have changed, but life, work, men not helping out more in the household — none of this actually had. We felt we had made gains and those gains were gone or going. Things were starting to boil over." Whether women's issues remain front and center remains to be seen, but what's already clear is that the dialogue about gender relations in France has been forever altered.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,2074070,00.html


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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 11:34 am
@firefly,
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Speaking of cabinets, this cabinet minister has just resigned...


Poor France hopefully not going down our sad road.

I just loved the Thomas appointment hearing where we had a woman who had followed him from one job to another for years trying to knife him in the back.

Coke cans and public hairs indeed.

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 12:11 pm
@firefly,
Quote:

Is the downfall of former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn amid charges of attempted rape in the U.S. inspiring women in France to denounce the sexual coercion and aggression they've suffered from men for so long? The resignation Sunday of a French government minister accused of sexually harassing and assaulting two women would suggest that some sort of behavior revolution in France is indeed underway—and that more of the same is probably on the way. But because the habit of men (especially powerful ones) acting badly towards women has been so common and unchecked in France, some observers are already warning that if the budding offensive by French women to call out predatory males unfolds too rapidly, it could produce a backlash seeking to safeguard the abusive status quo.


Which, as usual with you, ff, begs a question. Why are these ladies getting themselves into the company of "predatory males"? Are their "after the event" allegations, which are ridiculous really, merely sour grapes at having prostituted themselves and then not having been rewarded in a manner they deemed appropriate to their awful sacrifice? Do they not know what "predatory males" are like nor that the positions they hold require them to be "predatory males" because only such men are in those positions which are capable of promising these "leg-ups" these ladies who are "popping out" were obviously eagerly seeking.

Some of us know the principle objective of "The Movement" . It is to render the difference between the sexes abolished and general androgeny to take its place. This is because a certain type of female puts down all her worldly ills to patriarchal culture. Obviously never to her own inability to manage properly her nature as most other women get on with doing. One would expect from even a casual glance at the literature of the US and of France that resistance to androgenisation to be stronger in the latter.

The mores of Peyton Place are not like those at Longchamps just as they are not like those of Kabul or Baghdad.

Why not all get organised and form the Co-operative Union of Nagging Termagents and stand for office.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 12:29 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Speaking of cabinets, this cabinet minister has just resigned...


Poor France hopefully not going down our sad road.
Contu
I just loved the Thomas appointment hearing where we had a woman who had followed him from one job to another for years trying to knife him in the back.

Coke cans and public hairs indeed.


the anger of french women for the defense of DFK is greatly exagerated. The French continue to suspect that he was set up, continue to approve of gendered behavior norms, and continue to have too many pressing problem to get diverted by hating men on the feminists program. One need only read the French newspapers to see that Firefly is blowing smoke again.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 12:39 pm
@spendius,
You are correct that the French are more opposed than are Americans to the feminist program of making humans its, but even more so they find repulsive the somewhat contradictory American program of naming all women potential victim and all men potential abuser.
 

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