Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

it is either a trial or a Kobe type settlement with the "victim".

You don't seem to be familiar with the "Kobe" case William.

In the Bryant case the "victim" refused to testify leaving the prosecution no choice but to drop the charges.
Do you get the difference?

Yeah--and how she was dressed and how much effort she had put into preparing herself to inflame men and going into company where men are despite knowing what beasts they are and getting bladdered so she could avoid responsibility for what she had obviously gone out looking for and all. I bet she cadged most of the booze off some saps.

Not that I know anything about the case but I know all about women. Every last thing. Culture is only skin deep.

But people will keep reading the Book of the Month. Feminist literature. The Book Publishing Industry is pretty feminised donchyaknow?

They didn't infiltrate the waste disposal industry to anything like the same extent. Nor the food producing industry. Nor the reconnection of blizzard blown power-lines industry. They seem to have left road-mending off their target list as well. And they are only really in the fire fighting industry when it is practicing preferably when the TV cameras are there to show women taking their part alongside men in all walks of life.

You need to have majored in Idiotology to qualify for those professions.

"You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal."

We men are out of our depth. Our simple souls are outsmarted everywhichway. If nobody sticks up for us we are fucked. I'm accused of misogyny and all I'm doing is fighting in the last trench. And I knew that just by looking at the face of Judge Obus and listening to his voice as he danced to the feminist tune trying to turn an alleged blow-job with an immigrant cleaning woman into an international howl for "justice", a short shot of real fame and a "dip your bread in" bonanza for his mates.

Load of guys killed in Afghanistan running in the distant background and blown off limbs not even mentioned.

Just curious why you think her immigration status has relevance in this case. If she'd been born here, would your opinion be altered in any way?

And I knew that just by looking at the face of Judge Obus and listening to his voice as he danced to the feminist tune trying to turn an alleged blow-job with an immigrant cleaning woman into an international howl for "justice", a short shot of real fame and a "dip your bread in" bonanza for his mates.

Hmmm...this is a judge who:



Perhaps you mis judged him eh wot?

I agree.

Unfortunately, BillRM does not understand that distinction which is why he erroneously asserts the two NYPD officers are "innocent". They were found "not guilty" which is a very different matter. At trial, evidence was presented that did support the probability that a rape took place, however, the jurors did not feel it was convincing beyond a reasonable doubt. That does not mean the jurors did not believe that one of these officers might have raped a woman while the other stood by, and several said it was very possible that a rape had taken place, it means the evidence was not sufficient for them to be certain of that. Given that uncertainty in their minds, the jury was right to acquit.

A cloud of suspicion will remain over the heads of these two men because they were shown to be both dishonest and grossly inappropriate in their behavior as police officers--which is why the police commissioner couldn't wait to fire them from the NYPD force as soon as the verdict came in. He had expressed disgust with their behavior from the outset of this case, and he never resorted to trying to unfairly assail the credibility of the woman who brought charges against them.

BillRM also foolishly seems to imply that a "not guilty" verdict means that a false rape allegation was involved, based on a deliberate, and malicious, fictitious complaint from the accuser . Nothing could be further from the truth. Unless the complainant can be shown to be deliberately lying, beyond a reasonable doubt, it cannot be assumed the accusation was deliberately malicious. And very, very few rape reports meet that standard of proof, and when they do, it is inevitably discovered long before the case goes to trial, and generally before charges are lodged against anyone, because the first thing the police consider is the credibility of the report. Even in the Duke case that BillRM is so fond of citing, there is no evidence that this mentally disturbed woman, who was intoxicated at the time of the alleged event, and who never made a firm ID of her accusers, was deliberately lying. That's why the Duke players have said they do not blame her for what happened to them--a fact that BillRM chooses to ignore. The Duke case involved police corruption and prosecutorial misconduct--they were the deliberately malicious accusers, not the woman involved. And, thankfully, such corruption is the clear exception in our criminal justice system.

You are correct in saying that tort matters against these two can still go forward. There is a $57 million civil suit still pending in this case which will essentially involve a re-trying of the criminal case with a lower standard of proof. That can go to verdict, or it can be settled before that point. And the hotel maid in the DSK case will have that same option available to her regardless of the outcome of any trial.

Of course. Immigrants are under much greater pressure to make their way in the world than are the settled community which has things a bit boxed off. There are economic advantages to it. Considerable ones. They do all the jobs that the settled community's advanced education system renders its members unfitted for. I bet ff is not a cleaning woman. If the dignity of a cleaning woman is of such importance image where does ff's dignity stand?

She was a cleaning woman after all albeit on good money in a posh hotel in which, I'm told, porn can be beamed into the guest's rooms.

Have you not read Veblen on the matter? But it's pretty obvious anyway. Immigrants try harder. Idi Amin kicked the Asians out of Uganda. "They are too clever for my people", he said. Too right they were.

None of that washes any pots for me pan. I know what the greasy pole looks like. That's why I like sport so much. I'ts straightforward. You're not going to tell me that Judge Obus wouldn't be a Giant's linebacker if he had been good enough.

It is not clear to me that Ophelia will be able to collect a judgment, as his wife has most of the money. Also, if he is in France by then it seems like he could blow off any judgment so long as he stayed out of America.

She was a working woman, a single parent, who supported herself and her daughter doing honest work. She is also an immigrant.

None of those things have any bearing on whether DSK sexually assaulted her. I fail to see why anyone is focusing on those factors.

Because not everybody sees sexual assault as pure violence, they see it as sex with exploitation, with the man taking what he wants. YOu yourself admitted as much when you posted the carton "I thought the chambermaid came with the room". Also, all of this playing up that she is an immigrant and that he was staying in a $3,ooo a night room is the puffing up of this story line of how this rich man exploited this lowly maid. Here in America we dont admit to class structure so this story is told around the corners and we dont like to be confronted with it head on, but in France we see stuff like a story with the headline "Strauss-Kahn sheared by his delilah"

He wasn't exactly living hand to mouth just on his own salary, plus the perks he received. He likely has assets, encluding his golden parachute from IMF, which could be garnished in the event of a civil judgment against him. Besides, he risks a guilty verdict in a civil trial, just as he does in a criminal trial

You are also assuming he will be acquitted in his criminal case, something that is very far from a slam dunk at this point in time.

Another well known defense lawyer commented that DSK's defense attorney, Benjamin Brafman was perfect for this case because he is skilled both at trial and at plea bargaining. And it would not surprise me one bit if Brafman was already trying to hammer out a plea deal for his client. A sweetheart plea deal would be a much better option than the risk of a trial--particularly if evidence pointing to a forcible encounter is strong.

That's because you don't, or won't, understand my posts. The case is merely an incident in the general manifestation of the direction of the drift.

If you think your careful and calculated focus on the pedantic interpretations of the legal system distracts me from the direction of the drift you are mistaken.

The legal situation, and the case, derive from that drift.

Why don't you answer my earlier post on seeking an agreed moral definition of rape?

Instead you trot out four sentences as if you are talking to some young lads about playing football in the street and who need to be remonstrated with ten times. Or is it twenty by now. It's a species of Ignore.

He is not accused of exploiting the maid--he is accused of sexually assaulting her. Can't you even get your facts straight?

And he is accused of assaulting her in a violent and forcible manner. This case has to do with the way NYS regards his behavior, in light of the criminal sexual assault laws, and not with your rather fanciful views of the matter.

If any aspect of this is being played up, it is the fact that class distinctions do not matter in this case--and that reflects very favorably on the U.S.. We do not disregard the woman's report of sexual assault simply because the man she accused is a very wealthy, prominent individual and she is "only a hotel maid".

And some people acknowledge that it took courage for this woman to report her assault. She might not have known exactly who this man was, but she knew he was a wealthy patron of the hotel--he was in a very expensive suite. Normally, sexual assault victims fear that no one will believe them, and when they accuse a big shot, that fear might be even stronger. Wealth alone gives people power and clout.

But people will keep reading the Book of the Month. Feminist literature. The Book Publishing Industry is pretty feminised donchyaknow?

Well then. Let's look at the top 10 sellers from the Book Of The Month Club at the moment. Shall we?

1.)100 Hot Sex Positions
If you’re looking for new ways to get in the mood, Tracey Cox, the world’s foremost sexpert, presents 100 sure-fire ways for every couple to achieve maximum pleasure. Highlights include steamy, full-color photos.

Surely this tome contains a feminist manifesto. ya think?

2.)21 Essential American short stories.
A beautifully designed volume that includes everything from Washington Irving’s “The Story of Rip Van Winkle” and Mark Twain’s “The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County” to H.P. Lovecraft’s “The Call of Cthulhu.”

nope, nothing of a feminist nature here.

3.)33 Men

Inside the Miraculous Survival and Dramatic Rescue of the Chilean Miners

The definitive book on the Chilean mine disaster, this volume is packed with never-before-revealed details about the cave-in, the rescue and how the miners managed to survive—and triumph—against all odds.

Perhaps the feminists were in league with the mine owners?

4.)56

Joe DiMaggio and the Last Magic Number in Sports

On May 15, 1941, Joe DiMaggio lined a hard single to left field at Yankee Stadium—a quiet beginning to his legendary 56-game hitting streak. 56 tells the story of DiMaggio’s achievement, and how it electrified the nation.

Oh yeah, Joe married the arguably first feminist: Marylin Monroe and from then on his career went down the tubes.

5.)A Discovery of Witches
Diana Bishop has long resisted her powers as a witch until an ancient manuscript holding secrets sought by dark creatures forces her to embrace her legacy…and her forbidden attraction to a powerful vampire.

No need to continue the search spendius!

Whomp! There it is!

Feminists as witches. The connection is inescapable.

As Rush said:“The feminist movement was created to allow ugly women access to the mainstream of society”

I guess you were right spendi. The book industry has been taker over by feminists.

The good news is, those that think that way are most likely in prison.

seeking an agreed moral definition of rape?

Firefly already told you. Hers is a legal definition of rape.
Do you want me to post NY statue 300.5 for you?

There is no such thing as a moral definition of rape except among misogynists .

"Something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?"

In the book I told you about Ms Decter refers to a feminist slogan in the early 20th century. "Votes for women and purity for men."

She also mentions the theory of a certain Charlotte Perkins Gilman, a spokesperson for feminism, that women's dependence on husbands for support had resulted, through the process of natural selection, in a condition of exaggerated sexual development. And when I thought about that it struck me that in all the reading I have done in and about Classical Greece and Rome I don't remember any instance of physical charms being mentioned. Just the cunning and guile and other behavioural tendencies.

After a flippancy about Ms Perkins Gilman thinking Freudian psychoanalysis to be a solemn form of phallus worship, as the Kama Sutra obviously is, and most sex instruction manuals for that matter, she goes on to say this--



Which was, if you remember "purity for men". In modern terms, penile restraint. And Judge Obus leans forward importantly searching for our chastity belts with all the panoply of the law at his back.

I don't tend to overlook these things and they are bang on topic.

As MLK explained we are only obligated to abide by just laws, Firefly wants to claim that this evaluation does not matter, that rape is what the state tells us it it and the we must obey. That is not just a no but a HELL NO! Her refusal to have the discussion of what rape is is highly disrespectful for sure, and almost certainly a dodge as well.

We are class structured, and it always matters, one needs to only take five minutes to look at how all of our systems are corrupted and skewed towards the benefit of the wealthy to see this. We refuse to talk about it, many refuse to admit it, and this does not reflect positively on America at all. This degree of avoidance can only be caused my mental illness in my opinion, though some claim that stupidity is in play. In any case, the Jury will consider class, and I hope that they know how that this woman is middle class, though I have no doubt that the state will try to paint her as underclass.

"Gimme some milk or else go home."

Quoting those books proves nothing. It's what's in them that counts and it will be PC. Water. You missed the point. I said keep reading the Book of the Month to make sure you never wise up.