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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 12:34 am
@firefly,
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They were not found "innocent"--the verdict on the rape charge was not guilty. When someone is "innocent" it means they have been completely exonerated of the charges--they could not have possibly done the crime..
My understanding of USA law is that under the presumption of innocence, there are only two findings...guilty or not guilty . A finding of innocence in countries that distinguish such is only in the instance where it is shown in trial that no crime was committed .That is not the same as being found "not guilty" at trial.

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When someone is "innocent" it means they have been completely exonerated of the charges--they could not have possibly done the crime.. That is not the same as being found "not guilty" at trial.
You are wrong . That is exactly what it means . In fact, it is illegal to continue as if they had done the crime.....the exception being tort matters may still proceed .

There is also the matter of " Double Jeopardy" and different charges being laid . But "Not Guilty" means the presumption of innocence remains .
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 12:47 am
Todays editorial in Le Monde is tracking what I perceive to be the majority French opinion. It is that France is changing its views on gender relations, and that more change is needed, but for damn sure they dont want to follow the path that America has taken.
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The breaking of the case DSK both sides of the Atlantic has shattered taboos and some solid revealed publicly what the public perceives as tacit codes in force in the world of French political elites, with the blessing media. It must, of course, essential to distinguish the court record - the criminal charges facing the former Director General of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in the United States, the presumption of innocence, the treatment of the alleged victim - and queries that the arrest of Dominique Strauss-Kahn has raised, here as in the United States, our political morality, and social media. The second aspect, since the first notes of justice, three lessons can already be drawn.


The return of the transatlantic dispute in the U.S. media, the French are again at the festival, people of "hot rabbits' predators led by politicians, who claims to have made the Revolution in 1789, but can not bear to see her treated like elites ordinary mortals. At best, in general, we prefer to ignore the criminal behavior of our ruling class: it is a cultural issue.

In France, public humiliation inflicted worldwide by the American justice to the accused is presumed innocent deeply shocked and casts a harsh light on a justice system perceived as more egalitarian and less respectful of democratic principles than proclaim the Americans. In the American judicial system as in the health system, money makes the difference.

The Clinton-Lewinsky affair, the record Roman Polanski and the episode of the war in Iraq have shown: whatever the reason, political, cultural or diplomatic, to any crisis the transatlantic dispute resurfaced, and the gap between us in values ​​reappears, yawning.

This divergence between Europeans and Americans is never as virulent as when it concerns France. On both sides, it wallows in clichés, the nationalist reflex play hard, masking, unfortunately, what could be a real debate.

The French hypocrisy is hard to deny a fact: considering the private behavior of politicians as irrelevant, even when it casts a shadow visible on the personality of the politician or minister, the press is not doing its work. Already suspected of collusion with the elites, the journalists are now only accused, co-leaders of omerta discovers that the general public.

This does not absolve the media. The turbulence caused by the DSK case at least have the merit of provoking discussion in the newsroom, including the World. But journalists are the offshoot of a company, as well as legislation that frames their work in protecting privacy is the product of the elect. If the French press has no tradition of investigation to the Anglo-Saxon, though, unlike many European countries, we do not sensationalist tabloid newspapers, if the media are generally respectful of authority and separation of work-life public, but also because it reflects a widely shared culture in France.

The French press is more likely to view a press release that investigation. The term "investigative journalism" refers more to the work with investigators, police, lawyers or judges, responsible for large criminal records, the investigation of ground raw, deep and tedious. Tedious, because France is a democratic country where state and power centers, including economic ones, to best protect against transparency.

We have a law prohibiting interference with privacy, but we have no law on freedom of information on the lines of that in Great Britain or the United States, forcing the administration to open. When there are developments in this area is under the influence of the jurisprudence of the European Court of Human Rights. The famous "communicating" pharmacies control the image of politicians and CEOs, have gained unprecedented power in France in the West, bypassing the conventional directions of communication. They created rules of the game ever more restrictive and journalists have complied.

The case Woerth has shown the limits of investigative journalism: the proximity of the former budget minister and his wife with the Bettencourt family opened a timely debate on conflict of interest. Here, the press did its job, but the political class has not taken over - and for good reason. Indignation in public opinion, creating a commission winded by the Elysee. And then? Nothing. One can not both require the press to slay the opacity standard and find that barriers are highest ever objected to his work.

The French hypocrisy is also a way to ridicule American fundamentalism on gender relations, the fanatical egalitarianism, the procedures in place to discourage sexual harassment, then be shocked that we had spent ignore the bad habits of our men of power. Banon Tristane why she did not complain after his violent encounter with DSK, in 2002? Because she did not want to be "the girl who had a problem with a politician." The message is clear: our society disapproves of those - and especially - that destroy the image of men of power.

The requirement of parity Suddenly, people start to speak. Journalists and politicians tell the "seduction" male daily, and especially its excesses. Without falling into Puritanism, there is a remedy for these abuses: the gender.

In trades which are feminine, in the press, in the hospital, the accepted behavior thirty years ago, those of editors towards young female recruits, those of doctors against nurses are less and less tolerated. The men simply dare least where women outnumber and - crucially - the same level of authority than they.

The policy has so far managed to escape feminization. Some key figures are not enough: Martine Aubry and Christine Lagarde alone will not change habits so comfortably settled. If, however, the number of deputies was closer to 280 than 113, 577, the corridors of the National Assembly would be more civilized. And our political and media certainly healthier.

http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2011/05/27/trois-lecons-de-l-affaire-dsk_1528304_3232.html

Translated by Google
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 01:34 am
@hawkeye10,
IMF chief's departure is another nail in the euro's coffin

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It is time to rewrite the euro’s obituary. Until last weekend, no-one would have supposed that the single currency might meet its fate at the hands of an anonymous Guinean housemaid in an upmarket New York hotel. But it is now increasingly clear that Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest, and his resignation today as managing director of the International Monetary Fund, represent a crippling blow for the euro project.
In any other time, the resignation of an IMF head wouldn’t have been particularly relevant beyond a small and relatively wonkish circle. Yes, it would have prompted some brow-beating about the relevance of an institution created nearly 70 years ago for an entirely different time and economy. Yes, there would have been questions about whether the new MD should come from an emerging economy rather than from Europe, as is traditionally the case (under a political compromise at the time of the Fund’s creation). But few IMF successions have been as significant as the one we are facing today – and not just because of the nature of Strauss-Kahn’s departure, nor even the fact that he had, until the weekend, been cruising towards the French presidency.
Though few liked to spell it out explicitly, the fact is that without DSK at the helm of the IMF, the euro may have crumbled altogether far earlier than now looks likely. It is not merely that the Fund rescued Greece, Portugal, Ireland and others on the Eurozone periphery with bail-outs in the past couple of years. It would have done so regardless; indeed, it pumped money into plenty of other troubled economies, including Pakistan and Ukraine. But look closer at the terms of the loans and it becomes clear that under DSK the IMF played a subtle but vital role in safeguarding the existence of the euro.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/edmundconway/100010313/imf-chiefs-departure-is-another-nail-in-the-euros-coffin/

Edmund Conway
I was, until recently, Economics Editor of The Telegraph, but these days I am at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, where I will blog occasionally when I'm not knee-deep in homework
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:26 am
@hawkeye10,
Very Happy Fancy a conspiracy theory ? The CIA put the maid up to it in order to damage the euro and attract more support for the $US . I wonder if that will do the rounds and come back to us ???
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:28 am
@firefly,
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They were not found "innocent"--the verdict on the rape charge was not guilty. When someone is "innocent" it means they have been completely exonerated of the charges--they could not have possibly done the crime.. That is not the same as being found "not guilty" at trial. These two will have a cloud of suspicion remaining over their heads because everything they did that night was very questionable.


No matter what a man is never never clear of a rape charge and thank you firefly for helping point that out to all of us!!!!!!!!!

Even in the case such as Copperfield where the woman was found to be blackmailing other men by threatening to cry rape a man name is never never completely clear of such a charge.

One more thank you for pointing this out to us.

Oh maybe in the rare rare rare case such as the Duke players where a high government officer came out and declared them innocent in an extra legal move after the charges was drop can most of their good names be recover.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:30 am
@firefly,
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They haven't been trying to smear him. They aren't saying anything about him to the press regarding his character.


And all the false information that they had been releasing such as he ran to the airport to get away is just harmless little errors.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:31 am
@firefly,
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So, I think we can probably expect more of the same.


Good we need a more level playing field.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:31 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Very Happy Fancy a conspiracy theory ? The CIA put the maid up to it in order to damage the euro and attract more support for the $US . I wonder if that will do the rounds and come back to us ???
IDK , but I do know that DSK was headed to Europe to try to lead the figuring out of what to do about Greece, to try to find a way to save the euro and the EU. The leaders had a lot of meetings in his absence but they have to date not been able to make any progress. This is not to say that they would have had DSK been there to run to program, but this is some damn serious **** we are dealing with, if DSK pressured a chambermaid into to blowjob as is claimed then he still should have been on the job....looking after the greater good required this.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:36 am
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MYFOXNY.COM - About a hundred demonstrators gathered in Lower Manhattan on Friday to protest the acquittal of two NYPD cops this week.

Half a dozen city councilwomen and several dozen members of the National Organization of Women and the NYC Alliance vs. Sexual Assault said they were stunned that a jury found Officer Kenneth Moreno and Officer Franklin Mata not guilty of rape and burglary despite surveillance video showing the cops going into a woman's apartment four times in five hours.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/groups-protest-acquittal-of-police-officers-in-rape-trial-20110527

WOW, this is a damn poor showing. I am thinking that the "MYTH" that women who get themselves falling down drunk and are thus not in the lest bit responsible for what they do during their inebriation has not been slayed yet. We have all seen the studies that show that women are tougher on stupid women than we men are, perhaps the rank and file women are not ready to get upset by this verdict.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:46 am
@hawkeye10,
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I am thinking that the "MYTH" that women who get themselves falling down drunk are not in the lest bit responsible for what they do during their inebriation has not been slayed yet


Come on Hawkeye if you get behind the wheel drunk you are totally responsible for your actions however a woman is never responsible for her sexual actions under the influence.

Unlike in any other area of life it is her male or males partners that bear that responsible by some strange logic.

They assume a duty to act as her guardians in such cases.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:52 am
@BillRM,
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Come on Hawkeye if you get behind the wheel drunk you are totally responsible for your actions however a woman is never responsible for her sexual actions under the influence.
My point though is "where is the outrage? Where are the protesters?" Maybe the women of NYC assume that this woman will get a multi million dollar civil settlement and thus she is not a victim but a lottery winner?? IDK, but further investigation is warranted. I see on the web a lot of bitching about this verdict from the feminists, but I dont see very many women supporting them.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 03:10 am
@hawkeye10,
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My point though is "where is the outrage? Where are the protesters?


The law is out of tune with the public to the degree that most men and women are likely assuming that an adult even an adult woman is responsible for her own sexual actions even under the influence.

Assuming she got that way by her own free will at least.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 03:23 am
@BillRM,
Another theory that I have is that the penalty for rape is now so draconian that juries are not willing to convict, and citizens are not ready to complain about not guilty verdicts even when the accused are clearly out of line. This would be the same thing that we see on the Domestic abuse side of the house, where heavy penalties and manditory arrest laws and the like have the effect of teaching the citizens that calling the cops if you find yourself in that situation is often a bad idea. The handing out of stiff retribution often backfires in real life, especially when it can be predicted. In those situations the adaptive move is often to avoid the truth or the one who will hurt, and the one with the heavy hand suffers from a diminished reputation.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 04:01 am
It might be worth pointing out that the newspaper headlines firefly showed us, and the photograph with DSK and Mr and Mrs Obama, can sensibly be interpreted in the opposite way than they seem to have been on here.

Perverts shouting "perv" on behalf of a pervert readership is standard practice to try to hide the guilt of those shouting it and those who accept it gleefully. Is Mr Obama saying "take it easy boy--she ain't that hot--and she's mine anyway." People I know are misogynists from things they have said often charge me with misogyny. They think it proves they are not misogynists and they assert it rather too much for my liking.

This is why firefly is not answering any difficult questions. So--I'll ask her some more.

Is it consent if the man employs a fantasy about another woman, or more than one, in other circumstances, or even of a bloke, in order to get himself off using her body. The rape law is written around mechanical processes and is not concerned with mental states which, by their nature, are not admissible as evidence. The idea that orgasm is not conditioned by mental states is completely ridiculous. Orgasm is a moment of truth which cannot be baulked. The Marquis de Sade laid that out over 200 years ago. And his writings are banned. Wilhem Reich's books were burned in the USA.

Can a woman detect whether or not a man is using a fantasy? If he is and she doesn't know then it would surely be rape. Hence "All men are rapists". The real feminist chant. Is using a third-party fantasy perverted? Is the woman being screwed (note the word--scored on, etc) with a fantasy being used. Does she repress the knowledge for social or economic convenience. Out of fear in other words.

This big secret is the reason firefly did not respond to my suggestion that rape is a mass activity going on continually everywhere. What both Reich and Bob Dylan and some others call "The Plague". Is it the inevitable result of monogamy with high levels of divorce and sexual dissatisfaction being merely the obvious outcome of being honest about it? The massive "sex aid" industry rather proves the point. What is lingerie for? It is packaging to help the real woman partially merge into a generalised object. A "prettier" one for those who demand them to be "pretty". What is artificial birth control for? To take the woman's real nature away obviously. To destroy her powers. To make her less feared. To spay her. All for the convenience of men. And maybe for women too if they prefer social and economic security and will put up with the perversions to get them. It is easy to declare having a good sex life at cocktail parties.

Ladies--beware of men attacking DSK is my considered opinion. He's either being stitched up or he lost his brains over the maid. Which is a compliment to the lady made moreso by how brainy he is.

"You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but know you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal? "


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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 04:47 am
@hawkeye10,
I do love that at least Firefly is being honest that once a man in charge with rape there is no way to recover his good name.

If he is found not guilty by a jury of his peers all it mean is that he is not going to prison and Firefly and her likes are going to go on assuming that he is guilty of the crime as with the case of the NYC cops.

So DSK by being charge is guilty and all that up in the air is if he is going to serve time or not for attacking this poor maid at least in Firefly universe.

We need to protect men names as well as the "victims" until and if they are found guilty of a sexual assault and we need to punish any false charges of rape with a decade or more in prison.

And if we are not willing to shield a man name from being ruin over being charge with this crime then I can not see how we can justify shielding his accuser name.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 06:39 am
@BillRM,
The hiding of the accuser's name is just one aspect of how the feminist agenda was written into the legislation. Then ff can hide behind pedantic interpretations of the legislation as she does so often.

Let's see whether she answers my earlier post which is about the facts of life and not the legislation. She obviously, had she been a Russian with a major in an 'ology, would have supported Stalin's show trials and their verdicts. She, on her own argument, must support the invasion of Iraq for no other reason than it was legislated for. But not in France to its great credit.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 07:04 am
@spendius,
Yes I to had taken note that her comments it was legal or it the law is said by her as if that fact should end all arguments on whether some action is justify morally or logically.

DSK arrest with little or no investigation before hand is legal however that does not address if it was morally right or even make any common sense for example.

Somehow Firefly had gotten the idea that legal and wise or moral are one and the same things and in too many cases they are far from being so.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 08:27 am
@hawkeye10,
He needs a not guilty on the three main charges for sure.
My opinion is that DSK's handlers can't let this thing go to trial.
And pissin off the D.A.s office when you're going for a plea bargain is a dangerous game.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 08:31 am
@panzade,
Plea Bargaining? Somehow I do not see that happening it is either a trial or a Kobe type settlement with the "victim".

With three lawyers it look like she is going for the $$$$$$ one way or another.
panzade
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 08:38 am
@hawkeye10,
perhaps the rank and file women are not ready to get upset by this verdict.

There's no doubt that this is true.

After 7 months and a jury trial they were found not guilty by a jury of their peers.

Doesn't that put to rest your fears that the justice system has been warped by the feminist movement?

I'd venture that the rank and file women on that jury believe she had it coming to her...getting all snockered up and all.
 

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