Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@firefly,

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You really do not understand the nature of the crimes of which Strauss-Kahn is accused, or how such crimes affect their victims, or why these crimes are punished so seriously. You also do not understand that such crimes are just as severely regarded and punished when one man commits them against another man.

Until very recently they were not punished anywhere near to the degree that they are now (in one of these threads I linked to a study that shows that over the last four decades criminal punishment for each sexual wrong have on average increased 300%)....there is no evidence on the table that the current punitive stance is correct and the old ways wrong from a collective best interest standpoint. If you can't prove that then you are basing the correctness of current punishment on the whims of appetite. We once learned enough to school to question the assertion that leaders pandering to the public hunger for vengeance is the path to a better society.

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@hawkeye10,

I haven't changed my mind hawk. This is not about rape. It's about "he backed into my car at the traffic lights your worship." It's about that first event. The hauling off the plane, the perp walk and the first court appearance. There's been some scrambling around since then to avoid being caught in the crosswires if things go wrong and especially if they go badly wrong.

I don't know anything about rape. It's so bloody silly in my opinion. It's evolution ****. I'm into full frontal enthusiastic and joyful receptivity and getting invited back. And I can tell when it's real. I've never met anybody who said they had been raped or assaulted even. And I certainly don't trust anybody I hear talking about it in an obviously emotional way.

It doesn't matter for now whether there is DNA on the clothes. The story has left the perception that there is.

If DSK's defence is consent then evidence of force or drugs will be needed it seems to me and if they are not there it is, as her lawyer said, her word against his.

Incidentally, the Mike Tyson case was reported on a lot here but we were never told whether there was any evidence other than the lady's allegations. Was there? He was shown being humiliated on TV in the jail reception area.

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@firefly,

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Those "interested parties" are the people of the state of NY. These laws were written and adopted by the predominantly male legislators of NYS. They apply to everyone who happens to be in NYS. And, obviously, these laws are enforced.

In the case of DSK those interest parties happen to be a large percent of the whole damn world as New York City police actions had affect the economic crisis handlings in the EU at a very critical time to an unknown degree.

Hopefully in the future such key players in the wellbeing of the world will have full diplomatic immunity.

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@firefly,

But ff the effects of such things can be acted out and exaggerated. I've read stuff about some women shrugging it off.

Men's dignity is affronted in millions of man hours per day. Every day.

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@BillRM,

He is not that important an individual.

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@firefly,

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You really do not understand the nature of the crimes of which Strauss-Kahn is accused, or how such crimes affect their victims, or why these crimes are punished so seriously. You also do not understand that such crimes are just as severely regarded and punished when one man commits them against another man.

Strange innocent men charge falsely with such a crime you do not care about at all as their well being emotional or otherwise is of no concern to you.

A misdemeanor charge for ruining a man and his family is more the enough punishment by your own past postings.

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@BillRM,

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In the case of DSK those interest parties happen to be a large percent of the whole damn world as New York City police actions had affect the economic crisis handlings in the EU at a very critical time to an unknown degree.

DSK was arrested because of a criminal complaint about his actions. NYPD acted on that complaint, just as they should have. The "economic crisis handlings in the EU" are not their concern--violations of the criminal laws of NYS are their concern.

DSK was not indispensible to the IMF--he was replaced within hours. He also planned on leaving the IMF within months to run for the presidency of France.

He's responsible for his behavior, and, since he's been accused of criminal behavior, his lawyers will now address those charges at trial.

No one is above the law. Not even a big shot economist.

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@spendius,

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Incidentally, the Mike Tyson case was reported on a lot here but we were never told whether there was any evidence other than the lady's allegations. Was there? He was shown being humiliated on TV in the jail reception area.

No it was just the woman word against his a woman who went to his hotel room at 3 am to do what? Play cards, chess ,watch TV?

In any case he have a bad public name so that was enough to nail him for raping her.

When he could had gotten out of prison a year early at the cost of admitting to the crime he was already convicted of he refused to do so and serve that added year.

There seems to had been some kind of seal civil settlement with his "victim" and he once stated that for the money he had paid her he should had gotten to rape her and her mother.

To firefly because of his being found guilty in a criminal court he was end stop from defensing against a civil suit on the grounds that he was innocent so all that was in question is how must he was going to pay her.

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@ehBeth,

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He is not that important an individual

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In your opinion and would you like to back that up by showing that you are an expert in the field of world economic management with special regards to crises management.

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@BillRM,

Is that relevant to his criminal case?

Are you suggesting that no one with an "important" job should ever be arrested for alleged criminal behavior?

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@BillRM,

His temporary replacement was announced hours after his arrest. He is not that important as an individual.

Any agency/company that doesn't have it's succession plan in order (as the IMF clearly did) deserves to go under.

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@BillRM,

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would you like to back that up by showing that you are an expert

where is yours to support your opinion that he's so important?

that silly question of yours slices both ways

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@firefly,

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The "economic crisis handlings in the EU" are not their concern--violations of the criminal laws of NYS are their concern.

That why local police forces should be block from interfering with such men.

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DSK was not indispensible to the IMF--he was replaced within hours. He also planned on leaving the IMF within months to run for the presidency of France.

He was involved in the handling of three crises that I know of myself and it is always helpful to pull a leader off the field in the middle of crises management.

Oh as you are claiming to be enough of an expert to know that he was not that important you must know far more then I do about these ongoing problems so why do you not name the three crises he was helping with at the time the NYC police removed him from the plane on the word of a hotel maid.

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@BillRM,

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No it was just the woman word against his a woman who went to his hotel room at 3 am to do what? Play cards, chess ,watch TV?

There was no evidence that a rape took place, there was only her say so, but Tyson could not prove that he was innocent. Events after the conviction indicate to me that he almost certainly did not do anything with her against her consent. Tyson to this day insists that he is did nothing wrong, and at least one other guy has come forwards to assert that tysons accuser also falsely accused him of rape. SHe seems to be the classic case of buyers remorse.

On thing that supporters of current sex law should keep in mind is that is is very difficult to prove that one did not do something, proving that something was done is much easier. When we changed sex law from the presumption of innocents to the presumption of guilt we made a huge change in the outcome of the 'justice" process. Current sex law is also unconstitutional.

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@ehBeth,

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where is yours to support your opinion that he's so important?

The UN general assembly seem to think it was worth their time to listen to him address them on economic matters and the other world economic leaders all had a seat for him at the table for him in dealing with such matters.

SO yes he was an important player with roughly a trillion dollars he could direct as director of the IMF

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@firefly,

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Are you suggesting that no one with an "important" job should ever be arrested for alleged criminal behavior?

Surely not on the judgment of a local police force that a maid words was true without any other evidence at the time.

There should had been a full investigation and if the evidence then supported a charge New York State should had gone to either the board of the IMF or the UN and ask for his diplomatic immunity to be waver.

We need to fully protect such people from being interfere with at the whim of local level police officers.

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@firefly,

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Are you suggesting that no one with an "important" job should ever be arrested for alleged criminal behavior?

Footnote we once had a Vic President of the US with two repeat two murder warrants out for his arrest.

One from New York State and one from New Jersey at the same time he was doing his duty as Vic president in Washington DC.

We do block local polices and always had block local police from interfering with men with "important jobs".

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@firefly,

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DSK was arrested because of a criminal complaint about his actions. NYPD acted on that complaint, just as they should have.

That's disingenuous. It is how they acted we are concerned with. Obviously NYPD cannot avoid "acting" on a complaint. Does every complaint they get result in the actions we have seen in this case?

What evidence had they other than the maid's allegations for their actions. Who he was made them leap into to top gear. If other evidence comes out later justifying their stampede it does not alter the facts at the beginning. They wanted the maid to be telling the truth.

Had they any evidence other than her word? That's the question and you won't answer it. And nobody else will either. And there is a powerful motive to answer it. It is to allay our suspicions that they were flounced into action they could hardly wait to take. I will fold my case if that evidence is provided. And so will anybody else with any sense.

I won't fold on the disproportion of the offence though. She could have bit his dick off it seems or at least had him hopping from foot to foot. I certainly wouldn't put my dick between a pair of West African chompers who was outraged at me. No sir. No way. Even if there was no outrage I would be too worried about tropical diseases to be in condition.

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@BillRM,

Your grasp of 'the rule of law' is as about as firm as your grasp of ... well, any idea that I've ever seen placed for your perusal, Bill.

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There was an American publisher just interviewed on Newsnight, Flynt was his name of Hustler Magazine, which I presume specialises in beta minus porn, who said that all this **** was due to the end of the Cold War.

He claimed to have evidence that power brokers back to the Founding Fathers were compulsive shaggers. He equated power with ego and conquest.

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