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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:17 pm
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May. 21, 2011
DSK's $6M bail among the largest in NY history
By LAURA ITALIANO

They are the few, the rich, the seriously indicted. And they don't get out of jail free.

By posting a total of $6 million to secure his release from Rikers, Dominique Strauss-Kahn joins the rarified world of multi-millionaire felony indemnitors.

Seldom do America's bails go so high, say experts -- and those rare examples include some of the country's most notorious big-bucks baddies.

In New York State, Bernard Madoff and Tyco embezzler Dennis Kozlowski handed authorities $10 million cash each to secure their pre-disposition freedom.

Strauss-Kahn yesterday posted $1 million cash plus a $5 million bond secured by his wealthy wife's cash.

"His is one of the largest commercial bails ever in state history," said celebrity bondsman Ira Judelson, who handled the bond.

Strauss-Kahn's bond is backed by cash put up by his wife, Anne Sinclair -- money that falls somewhat short of the total $5 million. Judelson said that he has no worries that the disgraced international banker will welch on the loot.

Judelson wouldn't say how much the wife is paying him in fees. But bail bondsmen typically charge around five or six percent fees to write million-dollar bonds -- meaning Sinclaire could be out as much as a quarter million dollars just to pay for the bond to be written.

That's on top of what prosecutors estimated will be the family's $200,000 a month cost of security monitoring during his home confinement.

"This to me is a very comfortable bond because of the security that's set up," said Judelson, who has handled the bonds for such big names as Lil Wayne and Plaxico Burress.

"I'm not worried one bit about securing his return to court."

Wherever he winds up serving his confinement, Strauss-Kahn will be monitored by armed guards from the Stroz Friedberg security firm -- the same outfit that monitored Madoff's home confinement.

"Very few people can make a bail that high," said Judelson, who nearly handled the absolute bail record-holder: the whopping total $33 million bond requested in Brooklyn two years ago of Michail Sorodsky, a phony doctor accused of committing sexual abuses against anesthetized patients.

Sorodsky ultimately couldn't foot the bill.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/dsk_bail_among_the_largest_in_ny_JY8kFHvtPulD8ESUB9qLqI

Now his wife has to find another place for him to stay during his house arrest. The apartment building he's currently in doesn't want him, and she's apparently having difficulty finding another place that does. Most residents in luxury buildings don't want the hoards of media around, and they don't want their building becoming a tourist attraction.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:19 pm
@firefly,
We were told by the lady judge, a concept sufficient to cause the Duke of Wellington to swoon clean away, that the Polanski case had nothing to do with the matter. So she got that right.

One might easily imagine that expert lawyers could pretend they were so afraid DSK would flee. Gregory Peck could do it in his sleep.

I didn't ask you whether they "would" seek extradition. I asked you "could" they. You saying they wouldn't is an opinion. I asked a legal question. I don't know if an extradition treaty exists between the US and France in such a case.

Is there one? Your "wouldn't" implies that there is because if there isn't they "couldn't" and then "wouldn't" is superfluous.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:25 pm
@firefly,
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In New York State, Bernard Madoff and Tyco embezzler Dennis Kozlowski handed authorities $10 million cash each to secure their pre-disposition freedom.


But that $10 million was part of their loot from the crimes. It was fantasy money. DSK's money is not.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:29 pm
@spendius,
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I don't know if an extradition treaty exists between the US and France in such a case.

Here's your answer.
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Let's clear up some confusion over extradition treaties between the U.S. and France; France does not have an extradition treaty with the U.S., whereby law enforcement officials here can force France to deport French nationals.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/05/17/french-law-prohibits-extraditing-dsk/

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We were told by the lady judge, a concept sufficient to cause the Duke of Wellington to swoon clean away, that the Polanski case had nothing to do with the matter. So she got that right.

No, the judge didn't say that. Everyone involved was aware of the Polanski case, and aware that the same situation could occur with DSK. That's why his bail is so high and he has an armed guard and an electronic monitor. They really want to make sure he can't flee, just as Polanski did. He is accused of very serious crimes, and they want him tried on those charges.

You don't seem particularly well informed about this case.


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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:44 pm
This sounds like a good idea.
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Hotel workers need panic buttons: New York lawmaker
Reuters
May 24, 2011

NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York hotel workers would have electronic "panic buttons" under a new bill proposed after then-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn was charged with sexually assaulting a hotel maid.

"To my knowledge this would be the first in the nation," Democratic Assemblyman Rory Lancman, who represents the New York City Borough of Queens, said by telephone on Tuesday.

Lancman, who chairs the Assembly subcommittee on workplace safety, said attacks on hotel maids and housekeepers were relatively common although he had no data to support that.

"Unfortunately, a lot of men think that when they are away from home the normal rules of social conduct don't apply, and a young woman entering a hotel room, particularly if she looks like an undocumented immigrant who doesn't have the means to report (an assault) -- they think she's fair game," he said.

Strauss-Kahn faces charges of sexual assault and attempting to rape a housekeeper at the Sofitel hotel in New York on May 14. He is being held in an apartment in Manhattan under armed guard after being freed on bail on Friday.

Strauss-Kahn has denied the charges against him. He resigned as managing director of the International Monetary Fund last week.

Hotel workers needing urgent help could use the panic buttons to contact the hotel's front desk or its security and then police could be called if necessary, Lancman said.

Other industries, including utilities and industrial firms, already use such devices to protect workers who may be in remote locations, enabling them to swiftly and easily request help from co-workers or security.

"This reasonable proposal would ensure that thousands of hotel workers are not put at unnecessary risk," said Peter Ward, president of the New York Hotel & Motel Trades Council.

To become law, the bill would have to be enacted by the assembly and the state senate and then signed by Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Spokesmen for the governor and the leaders of the two legislative chambers had no immediate comment.
http://www.whnt.com/sns-rt-us-strausskhan-newytre74n6cd-20110524,0,5663749.story
Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:47 pm
@spendius,
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I think it is suicidal for women to maintain this position. Men will end up simply avoiding them

If they're like DSK that'll be seen as a feature, not a bug.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:54 pm
@firefly,
With paranoia at that level, ff, I'm amazed the roads are not all closed. In fact I'm amazed anything remains open.

Unless being felt up is the worst thing than can possibly happen.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:56 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I don't know if an extradition treaty exists between the US and France in such a case.


this was addressed in the first pages of this thread
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:57 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Answer me this--if DSK is guilty, and there is overwhelming evidence to say so, could he have been extradited from France?


again, this was addressed at the beginning of the thread and it is something you can easily Google - if you are truly interested (which I don't believe you are)
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:59 pm
@spendius,
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Unless being felt up is the worst thing than can possibly happen.

Why are you choosing to minimize what this man is accused of doing?

He is charged with criminal sexual assault in the first degree--a violent, forcible, sexual assault--which is a serious felony in NYS--and he faces up to 25 years in prison.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:10 pm
@Irishk,
If I was in a NY posh hotel, just as a thought experiment I mean, and I left my room to go for a walk in Central Park and found a corridor empty but for a cleaning woman vacuuming the carpet I would dart back inside and after locking the door call reception and ask for an escort to the safety of the lobby. If I was rich and famous I think I might avoid NY altogether.
Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:14 pm
@spendius,
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If I was rich and famous pervert I think I might avoid NY altogether.

Fixed it for you. You're welcome.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:18 pm
@firefly,
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Why are you choosing to minimize what this man is accused of doing?


I am not. I am merely trying to apply a sense of proportion.

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He is charged with criminal sexual assault in the first degree--a violent, forcible, sexual assault--which is a serious felony in NYS--and he faces up to 25 years in prison.


A condition your side have engineered with the connivance of certain interested parties.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:23 pm
@Irishk,
Although John Lennon did say that it frightened him what he could do with his money in New York.

Who is the "pervert"? Bob Colacello's biography of Andy Warhol suggests NY is a Mecca for perverts. It's a good read.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:25 pm
@spendius,
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A condition your side have engineered with the connivance of certain interested parties.

Those "interested parties" are the people of the state of NY. These laws were written and adopted by the predominantly male legislators of NYS. They apply to everyone who happens to be in NYS. And, obviously, these laws are enforced.
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I am not. I am merely trying to apply a sense of proportion.

Then take into account the seriousness of the crimes with which he is charged.
They are serious felonies--he faces up to 25 years in prison.


izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:27 pm
@spendius,


Mecca for perverts

Isn't that run by Eric Morley?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:12 pm
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UPDATED at 9:15 a.m.: New York police on Tuesday denied reports that they have found traces of Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s DNA on the clothes of his accuser, stressing that investigators have given “no result and no information” about the results, AFP reports.

A number of major media outlets had reported the existence of the DNA match, citing unnamed sources familiar with the testing. The Wall Street Journal, however, cited unnamed "law enforcement officials."

UPDATED at 9:45 a.m.: In a subsequent draft of the AFP article, the news wire clarifies that the NYPD isn't necessarily denying the reports, just denying that the department was the source of the news.

AFP's new lede (emphasis added): "New York police Tuesday denied being the source of news reports that traces of semen from ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn on a chambermaid's clothes..."

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/05/24/strauss_kahn_dna_dsk_sample_matches_semen_found_on_hotel_maid_s_.html

It should be a simple matter to determine if results had been sent to the defense, if not then the source of the information is most certainly the state, which arm of the state did it does not particularly matter. It is nice to see Slate not jumping on the bandwagon of those who assert that thus dna evidence helps the states case, as we were never told by the defendent that he had not had oral sex with the chambermaid, thus this does not dispute his position.
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The DNA match supports the account provided by the woman to police, but would also appear to be consistent with what Strauss-Kahn’s legal team has suggested may be his defense: that a sexual encounter did in fact occur when the woman came to clean his room but that it was consensual.

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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:20 pm
@firefly,
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Those "interested parties" are the people of the state of NY.


Oh yeah! You're using your selective innocent naivety again as a weapon. There's no such thing as opinion formers then?

I an not interested in arguing about the seriousness of the crimes DSK is charged with. That's obvious to anybody with a dispassionate view of these matters. Even assuming they were committed, the maid, a woman of experience, walked away with only her dignity injured. The victims of many crimes are not so lucky. Female dignity is what is exercising you ff. And that's all it is. You have no interest in the maid.

What about men being killed when safety regulations have been ignored for financial reasons.

A Queen in China once had a man flogged, his arms and legs cut off, and hung on a meat hook in a container of vinegar because he farted in her presence. And that's nothing to what the Empress Theodora had done to men who she thought had looked at her funny-like.

The way things are going I assume such offences will soon be punished by penile restraint of the excruciating type and weekly floggings until giving up the ghost. Where are you going to draw the line. The direction is obvious. Female dignity being of such vital importance when there's nothing else left to do that doesn't get boring in an hour.

One female journalist confessed that she spent the flight to a West Indian sunshine holiday looking through travel brochures to choose where to go next. And putting an expensive frock in the bin because she had gone off it by the time she got home and didn't want her sap to see it. And her fondest memory of schooldays was weeing on a little lad's head. And a lot more in the same vein. She had all the flooring in the house changed when she trod in some dog **** and hadn't noticed it quickly enough. In the newspaper. We used to read bits of her articles out in the pub. Had we known how tragic it actually was I don't think we would have laughed quite so much.

And one fine day she announced that "sometimes I think I would like to be forced".

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:25 pm
@spendius,
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The way things are going I assume such offences will soon be punished by penile restraint of the excruciating type and weekly floggings until giving up the ghost. Where are you going to draw the line. The direction is obvious. Female dignity being of such vital importance when there's nothing else left to do that doesn't get boring in an hour


HA! You do have a way with words.....I remember once inviting you to join the rape thread and you responded that you would never do it, you were not interested in the matter. I am so glad that you changed your mind.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 03:18 pm
@spendius,
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I an not interested in arguing about the seriousness of the crimes DSK is charged with. That's obvious to anybody with a dispassionate view of these matters. Even assuming they were committed, the maid, a woman of experience, walked away with only her dignity injured

With only her dignity injured?

You really do not understand the nature of the crimes of which Strauss-Kahn is accused, or how such crimes affect their victims, or why these crimes are punished so seriously. You also do not understand that such crimes are just as severely regarded and punished when one man commits them against another man.

If you think only her "dignity" was injured, there is no point discussing this legal case with you.

His accuser is no longer that hotel maid, it is the people of the state of NY. This was never about "female dignity"--or about male/female relations--it is about violating the criminal laws of NYS. If Strauss-Kahn had attacked a male hotel staff member in a similar manner, he'd be facing the same sort of charges.

 

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