Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@firefly,

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Stop with the Duke case--where there was no evidence of any sexual contact between the Duke players and the woman. It bears no resemblance to the DSK matter. You are simply making yourself look ridiculous.

When DSK was taken off the plane and thrown in jail there was no repeat no available evidence of sexual contact between the maid and him!!!!!!

The police was more then willing to turn a man life upside down on the word of a woman without any proof.

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@BillRM,

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The police was more then willing to turn a man life upside down on the word of a woman without any proof.

The police in question were from the NYPD Special Victims Unit--the most experienced cops in evaluating this type of crime. I am sure they consulted with the Manhattan D.A. and the head of their sex crimes unit (also highly experienced in prosecuting sexual assaults) before making the arrest. They would very much fear a false arrest suit from this particular man, yet they felt convinced enough of his possible guilt to make that arrest. That should tell you something about the credibility of the hotel maid, and the strength of their belief in DSK's guilt.

You don't have "proof" until the case goes to trial, and until the jurors decide that there was "proof" beyond a reasonable doubt. The police and D.A. don't have to do a complete investigation before making an arrest if the complainant appears very credible, and this is the type of crime that involves no eyewitnesses. They did have "proof" that DSK was in the hotel suite with her--therefore, he had opportunity to commit this crime. And, it is also possible that he had behaved inappropriately with Sofitel hotel staff in the past, but that it never reached the point of an arrest, and this information might have been made available to the police. And, since DSK was about to leave the country, they didn't exactly have the luxury of a lot of time to do a complete investigation. But, they still felt certain enough to arrest him.

Sex crimes can involve the reports of a female victim, or a male victim, or a child victim. In evaluating complaints of sexual assaults, credibility of the accuser is very much a factor--and the NYPD Special Victims Unit is far more experienced, and better trained, in evaluating those reports, and assessing credibility, than is the average cop on the beat. There is no reason to assume that they did not know what they were doing when they arrested DSK.

This is why we have trials. That's where "proof" is established--the jurors are the "finders of fact". Wait for the evidence to be presented at trial.

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@firefly,

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The police in question were from the NYPD Special Victims Unit--the most experienced cops in evaluating this type of crime. I am sure they consulted with the Manhattan D.A. and the head of their sex crimes unit (also highly experienced in prosecuting sexual assaults) before making the arrest. They would very much fear a false arrest suit from this particular man, yet they felt convinced enough of his possible guilt to make that arrest. That should tell you something about the credibility of the hotel maid, and the strength of their belief in DSK's guilt.

And once more these highly experienced police unit put our the false information that he ran out of the hotel to the airport instead of having a long lunch with his daughter and getting on board a plane he had a ticket for over a week.

Oh and then fleeing from a crime the police is claiming he had done in the hotel he call the hotel and ask them to try to get the phone to him at the airport.

Some experts law enforcement department!!!!!!!!

Before any DNA he was arrested, given a perp walk in handcuffs before the international press and denial bail.

In other word on the at the time unsupported claims of the maid.

Until the crime of knowingly falsely crying rape is the same as the crime of sexual assault men have no protection from having their lives turn upside down at any woman whim.

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@firefly,

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That should tell you something about the credibility of the hotel maid, and the strength of their belief in DSK's guilt.

By the way did you happen to listen to the youtube video of the young lady story of how a police officer sexually assaults her during a traffic stop that I had posted?

She sound to my ears as credible and likely would had sound that way to a jury it just that she turn out to be a lying @#$%.

A man freedom and name should not hang on how convicting a woman can sound as like most males I had known my share of women who could lied far more convicting then I can tell the truth.

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@firefly,

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Funny you should mention that, since two NYC police officers are currently on trial for rape. The NYPD is not rushing to their defense with the sort of anti-women attacks that you, Hawkeye, Ionus, and Spendius have been making. They, most of all, know that the crime of rape occurs--it is not a fantasy devised by feminists to toss innocent men in jail or put them through a publicly humiliating legal wringer.

You lie woman. Your lie is posited on you having ignored my posts. Specifically one in which I showed that the catharsis of this ritualistic human (reputation) sacrifice serves to defuse the guilt of the continuous and unabated mass rape going on all over the nation every day under the duress of economic, social and psychological manipulations as the real feminists mantain and of which I gave evidence. You are the misogynist actually.

The purpose of ritual sacrifice, so self evident at the two court appearances, particularly the first, is to provide such catharsis. You are supporting that ritual and thus easing the way for the continuous and unabated rape going on all over the land every day by promoting the idea that bringing this one man to the altar somehow allows you to pretend to think the problem is addressed. You are a party to those millions of rapes and assaults. You are facilitating the continuance.

Tell me, if you will, the consent conditions which were applicable in those nearly 50,000,000 conception events (since Roe/Wade) in which the result was surgically exterminated legally with the full authority of the judiciary at great cost both financially and psychologically. There is little social cost because they a secreted behind locked doors and in the opinion of many millions of people, billions even, each one of them is miles worse than what is alleged to have taken place in the case being discussed here. "Miles" being a polite way of putting it. And dont try telling me that the 20 week old mite is not a life because I won't believe you. Life does not recognise a ticking clock. Which the USSC must think it does.

I have already told you of my own consent conditions once I realised that the "all men are rapists" and "romance is rape" charges levelled by real feminists had genuine traction but you have simply ignored it.

The German ethnologist G. Schweinfurt wrote of the " the wild fire of animal sensuality that lit the eyes and the greedy and cruel leer that besmirched the lips" of those engaged in human sacrifice. Obviously those are less pronounced in the case of reputation sacrifice but they are discernible to practiced readers even if they are pale echoes of the real thing.

The charge is, ff, that you help promote mass misogyny and I represent women. Your obvious indignation at DSK does not snow me.

The simple fact that the tweeting feminists of the popular media dare not take on the mass raping and choose instead to vent their anger on a ritual victim tells me all I need to know. The cathartic purge doesn't actually work. It simply relies on repressing the mass rape and will thumb down any references to it.

Feminists my fat arse! Spectators at a stoning more like. The glee being directly proportional to the prestige of the victim.

No wonder European intellectuals are aghast. We put that stuff down a long while ago. Our humanity may have substituted reputation for the body but the atavistic traits of the sacrifice persist. In some places more than others. Matriarchies lead the field.

As you rightly say--the atempted rape, in this case alleged, has nothing to do with it. It isn't just the NYPD that knows it is widespread. It is the prestige of the sacrificial male victim. The opportunity for a load of half-baked feminists to express their solidarity to the cause and all the time the real problem is shuffled off the stage. SCUM said it all.

Media is in it for the ride. It does not give a single, solitary damn about the maid. Think what it ought to do on behalf of the women of Haiti if it did.

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@BillRM,

Hey Bill--that's a good one I must say. You make a cheap video and before you can say "Jumping Jack Flash" the taxpayer has forked out for a load of new surveillance technologies in every police force of the nation and the appropriate bureaucracy to manage it and maintain the archives and refine its procedures.

As if nobody ever knew except experts that some women, many women others say, all the bloody lot a few have ventured, are as devious and cunning as a cartload of monkeys and are ever ready to exploit themselves for fame or fortune. Was the famed "casting couch" the scene of rapes. And that was reserved for elite females. They had to be good to get that far. And the elderly men who used it to have their wicked way with some ambitious young lady created the consciousness of a nation.

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@Ionus,

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I thought I was quite fond of women...I just dont like feminism ...

Women already had a deal where they stay at home and men fight the wars . Now they can pretend to be soldiers till it gets too difficult in which case all they have to do is scream rape and gets lots of government money or get pregnant and get lots of government money . I am waiting for the day when conscription drags some crying hysterical woman off to basic training whilst her husband stands in the doorway with two children and the crowd calls her a coward and a traitor .

So, old Toadie, what's all the above crap got to do with the French pervert ( ex- head of IMF!) pouring his putrid sperm all over the poor African maid's work uniform?

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@Mame,

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Look, this whole situation has been blown out of proportion.....

No it has not. It is a seminal moment in the battle of the sexes. It is of such significance that I think there might come a moment when a decision is taken to fade it out.

As was done in the famous Joyce McKinney case. She was accused of abducting a pious member of a Christian sect of the American type, chaining him naked to a bed, and continuously having sex with him against his will. She was granted bail, she was a US citizen, on one condition. That she immediately took a plane back to the US.

An interesting question might be to ask whether more money could be made by the legal profession in trying to extradite DSK from France or from the present method of dealing with him. And which parts of the justice bureaucracy would benefit in each case. Or not as the case may be. And the rspective locations of the shops where the benefits are exchanged for real goodies.

As the US is noted throughout the world for its business acumen one might expect those lawyers expert in extradition treaties to begin agitating for DSK to be spirited back to France. They are, after all, an elite section of the legal profession and probably look down their nose at those colleagues who specialise in DNA samples on pantyhose.

One does have to try to look at these things scientifically as the evolution lobby is continuously pressing us to do. One cannot allow one's emotions to over-ride science. Follow the money the wiseacres say. And rightly so. What else in a secular society. There is nothing else. Andy Warhol said it.

I've seen a movie in which 2 young women give a blow job to 76 men. It might have been 176. I can't remember. It was a record attempt. It's a niche genre in the porn industry. But the Guinness Book of Records doesn't have a Buttered Bun section. I cannot think why seeing as the movie had a Library of Congress number and was copyrighted with appropriate warnings.

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@firefly,

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And, since DSK was about to leave the country, they didn't exactly have the luxury of a lot of time to do a complete investigation. But, they still felt certain enough to arrest him.

Yes--he was to be their prize. The evidence could have been used, if there is any, for extradition proceedings and thus become somebody else's prize.

You simply refuse to accept Bill's point that in those first scenes the word of the maid was tempting evidence to keep the prize in NY. A form of ambulence chasing. And an injustice was perped. You refuse to accept the same point in the Duke case. The fact that the sportsmen were innocent but were treated the way they were on the word of the woman is the entire point. You are trying to talk after the event. And with suspect sources from your information.

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@spendius,

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You simply refuse to accept Bill's point that in those first scenes the word of the maid was tempting evidence to keep the prize in NY. A form of ambulence chasing.

What "prize"? Why is this man any more a "prize" than any one else arrested for sexual assault? They have already had several hundred reported rapes in NYC since January of this year--they are not lacking business, they already have their hands full--the idea of "ambulance chasing" is absurd. Just because you think this case is special, because of this man's prominence, doesn't mean that legally it's not just another sexual assault case--except this one has hoards of media reporting on it. But, legally, it's just another sexual assault case that must be proved in court, just like all the others.

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You refuse to accept the same point in the Duke case.

That's because in the Duke case the woman was never particularly credible--she reported her alleged rape to the staff while she was a patient in a mental health facility, she did not go directly to the police, and she was never able to make a positive ID of the people the D.A. went after. And the D.A. concealed DNA evidence that exonerated the Duke athletes and kept it from the defense--that's why he was disbarred.
There are no similarities between the Duke case and the DSK matter.

Strauss-Kahn is very possibly guilty--that's why he was arrested and indicted. Because his accuser is a woman, does not automatically mean she is lying, regardless of how you feel about the honesty of women. Because he is a very prominent man does not mean he did not commit a sexual assault.

Let the case go to trial, then make up your mind. I have no reason to believe that the NYPD and the Manhattan D.A. have gone after this man without adequate reason. Now they have to prove their case in court. The woman is no longer DSK's accuser--his accuser is now the state of N.Y.

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@spendius,

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Yes--he was to be their prize.

you lads do seem to place some particular value on this guy. not sure why. he wasn't irreplaceable in his job - a temp replacement was in the spot within hours. he's not a particular rich guy - his wife is footing the bill for dealing with his mess. the case is not 'above the fold', other than in the gossip-y rag papers, it's fallen out of interest for much of the world.

not sure why you're so enamored with him and his case - you lads and your imaginations are the ones keeping it alive here.

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@Ionus,

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I conducted a recent experiment with a post about Pandas

I wondered what that was about. I didn't understand the whole fire extinguisher thing.

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@ehBeth,

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he's not a particular rich guy

I'm guessing he had a pretty nice expense account.

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French website sends flowers to maid in DSK case
By Alexandria Sage
PARIS | Mon May 23, 2011 4:46pm EDT

PARIS (Reuters) - A small group of French activists have organized an Internet campaign to send roses to the woman who has accused former IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn of attempting to rape her in New York.

At www.une-rose-pour-ophelia.fr, well-wishers are invited to "Offer a rose to Ophelia," a nickname for the 32-year-old chambermaid who has accused Strauss-Kahn of attacking her.

Her claims and his subsequent arrest last week set off an international firestorm, prompting the prominent economist's resignation from the IMF and dashing his hopes of running for the French presidency in 2012.

French feminists have accused public figures and the media of showing more concern for Strauss-Kahn than the maid -- whose accusations that he locked her in a bathroom and forced himself on her -- have led to charges of a criminal sexual act, attempted rape and unlawful imprisonment.

"Dear Ophelia, a rose to forgive us for not thinking enough of you," reads the statement on the website, which has attracted enough clicks since its launch Saturday to send some 400 roses to the woman, who is in protective custody in New York.

"We have talked a lot about our countryman, his detention, his emotions, and not enough about yours. That's why, without presuming a ruling yet to be handed down and respecting the presumption of innocence, we send you these flowers," it says.

Saturday, hundreds of protesters demonstrated in Paris against what they said was a flood of misogynist commentary from public figures. [nLDE74K069]

The website's organizers -- a small group of political activists with libertarian views called "Les Liberaux" -- will send the roses to the office of the woman's lawyer at the end of the week. The website clicks are free, and all costs will be assumed by the organizers.

Businessman and attorney Didier Salavert, one of the group's members, said that at stake in the Strauss-Kahn affair is the voice of the individual against more powerful interests.

"Power in France is very clannish," he said. "Where is the freedom of speech here?"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-strausskahn-ophelia-idUSTRE74M4PB20110523

Anyone interested can send her a rose just by clicking a link here:
http://www.une-rose-pour-ophelia.fr/?r=1

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@firefly,

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What "prize"? Why is this man any more a "prize" than any one else arrested for sexual assault?

You know very well why ff. Your very presence here says why.

The cops are always lacking business. Every bureaucracy that ever existed is always lacking business. Your naiveties are astounding except in regard that you allow them to express themselves according to their usefulness for your stance.

I certainly didn't make this case special. But it is special now.

Did the Duke athletes get compensation for the torment they must have gone through? It matters not that the DA was disbarred. What matters, as you can't vseem to understand, is that men are one finger-pointing away from ruin and degredation with no further evidence AT THAT TIME. What difference does concealing the DNA make to whether they were innocent or not? They WERE innocent and the allegations of a woman were sufficient to pillory them.

From the position I am taking the two cases are identical. I think it is suicidal for women to maintain this position. Men will end up simply avoiding them and the butch dykes can have the field to themselves.

I have never said, and nor will I say, unless it is admitted later, that the maid is lying about the alleged incident itself. I think she is highly likely to be putting on an act to make the milking creamier. In this climate the trial might not tell us much. It's already a show trial.

And why no comment on the ladies in Haiti or the 2 in the movie? Not scared of the deep end are you?

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@ehBeth,

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not sure why you're so enamored with him and his case - you lads and your imaginations are the ones keeping it alive here.

You should be able to work that out Beth if you read our posts with more care and avoid glassing over the parts you don't like.

Saying the subject is not interesting is a standard practice of those who dip into something and then find it is too hot for them to handle. I get it all the time on the evolution threads. Also not answering the points raised.

Psuedo-feminists picked the fight. Like the woman in Bill's video. Then quietly retired from the scence as soon as the facile cliches got threadbare.

Answer me this--if DSK is guilty, and there is overwhelming evidence to say so, could he have been extradited from France?

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@Irishk,

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he's not a particular rich guy

I'm guessing he had a pretty nice expense account.

pretty nice expense account = heiress wife

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@firefly,

Just a publicity stunt ff on behalf of www.une-rose-pour-ophelia.fr. Maybe there's a buyers market in roses. One might have thought they would send her the money. I'm sure that's more use to her than a pile of dead roses.

Bloody parasites. Latching onto to the victims from afar and claiming the moral high ground. Neat but predictable. The new Emily Pankhurst.

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Now Ophelia, she's 'neath the window
For her I feel so afraid
On her twenty-second birthday
She already is an old maid
To her, death is quite romantic
She wears an iron vest
Her profession's her religion
Her sin is her lifelessness.

Bob Dylan. Desolation Row.

Ophelia dies in Hamlet.

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@spendius,

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What difference does concealing the DNA make to whether they were innocent or not

Are you kidding? Rolling Eyes

The DNA showed they couldn't be guilty--and the D.A. concealed that from the defense.

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Did the Duke athletes get compensation for the torment they must have gone through?

Not yet, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will get a hefty damages settlement--one of the original figures bandied about that they were going for was $30 million, now it might be more. Their lawsuit will now begin to move through the federal courts.

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On October 5, 2007, Evans, Finnerty and Seligmann filed a federal lawsuit alleging a broad conspiracy to frame the players. Named in the suit were Nifong, the lab that handled the DNA work, the city of Durham, the city's former police chief, the deputy police chief, the two police detectives who handled the case and five other police department employees. The players are seeking unspecified damages, and also want to place the Durham Police Department under court supervision for 10 years, claiming the actions of the police department pose "a substantial risk of irreparable injury to other persons in the City of Durham".

On March 31, 2011, judge James Beatty issued a ruling on the Evans et. al. case, upholding claims against Nifong and his hired investigator Wilson for conspiracy to commit malicious prosecution in the course of their investigation; the city of Durham for negligence; Nifong, Wilson, and police investigators Gottlieb and Himan for malicious prosecution, concealment of evidence, and fabrication of false evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case#Lawsuits_filed_by_falsely_accused_players

You really should stop commenting on the Duke case since you seem to know little about it.

Meanwhile, it might be DSK's friends who are trying to buy the maid off--to keep him out of prison. If true, this sort of tactic only makes things look worse for him.

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With friends like these, maybe sexual assault allegation can disappear! The Post reports that the friends of former IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn are contacting the overseas relatives of his accuser, "offering them money to make the case go away since they can't reach her in protective custody...
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/maid_offer_ya_can_refuse_joKw8dxbw6AkYOmJsEZiaN

I have no "stance" except that I do not believe that the police and prosecutors are always inept or corrupt, or that all women lie when reporting sexual assaults.

DSK has been indicted by a grand jury. As I said before, his accuser is now the state of N.Y. I will follow the trial, which probably won't take place for at least 6 months, because I like to watch both prosecution and defense lawyers at the top of their game.

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Answer me this--if DSK is guilty, and there is overwhelming evidence to say so, could he have been extradited from France?

No, they wouldn't extradite him. Think Roman Polanski. That's why they were so afraid he'd flee and why they set his bail so high--plus an armed guard--plus an electronic monitor.

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@firefly,

Gee ff--you really don't see the point do you?

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Not yet, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will get a hefty damages settlement--one of the original figures bandied about that they were going for was $30 million, now it might be more. Their lawsuit will now begin to move through the federal courts.

Good. I hope they wring their necks.

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