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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:32 am
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BY JOHN HUDSONMAY 23, 2011
With much of France bristling at America's treatment of former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the country's feminists are pushing back. Three women's pressure groups rallied in Paris Sunday publishing a 6,000-signature petition lambasting Strauss-Kahn's reflexive apologists in the aftermath of his rape allegations.

"We do not know what happened in New York Saturday May 14, but we know what has been happening in France in the past week. We are witnessing a sudden rise of sexist and reactionary reflexes, so quick to surface among part of the French elite," the groups said on Le Monde's website.

As The Independent notes, the groups have been reacting to a string of public statements by left-wing politicians appearing dismissive of the concerns of Strauss-Kahn's alleged victim. Jack Lang, a Socialist and former culture and education minister, said Strauss-Kahn deserved immediate bail because "no one was dead." Jean-Francois Kahn, a leftist-nationalist activist, said the accusations were a mere instance of "troussage de domestique" ("stripping or having casual, forced sex with a servant"). And Socialist Euro MP Gilles Savary chalked up Strauss-Kahn's problems to a "cultural" gap between the U.S. and France, referring to America's "rigorous Protestantism."

In a statement obtained by Reuters and other news agencies, the groups "Osez le feminisme" and "La Barbe" wrote that "This kind of language generates an intolerable confusion between sexual freedom and violence toward women. Violent acts, rape, attempted rape and harassment are all the mark of men's desire to dominate women's bodies." They also noted that 75,000 women are raped in France every year and that the way rape is discussed can minimize the severity of the crime. "There is a certain impunity in France when it comes to this kind of uninhibited sexism," the groups said.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/05/french-feminists-protest-reactions-strauss-kahn-arrest/38026/

The French Feminists got 3000 to show up and are mighty proud of themselves.

CAROLINE HAAS, SPOKESPERSON FOR THE NETWORK DARE FEMINISM,
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Vanessa: Telling feminist today is it hard to bear? What does this mean to you?

Being a feminist, for me it means two things. 1) Realize that there are still inequalities and mechanisms of domination that structure our society in depth. 2) Wanting to change things radically to build a world where sex is no longer relevant in how we live our lives.

J: How do you overcome this kind of hatred that hangs over the feminist movement, is regarded as archaic (although the daily continuously proves otherwise) or as aggressive?

First, I feel that things are changing. Yesterday we managed to raise nearly 3000 people in just 24 hours against sexism. This shows that feminism find an echo in society. Then, as any movement for social change, feminism challenges even bother. Say you're for equal pay or terminate the 75 000 rapes per year in France is bound to react.

The aggressive side and you are talking about archaic fantasies that bear no resemblance to reality. They are carried by individuals or institutions who have an interest in what things stay in place. To us, by our action and our commitment to change attitudes.

One way for that is to join the "Dare to feminism!

http://www.lemonde.fr/dsk/chat/2011/05/23/l-affaire-dsk-revele-t-elle-le-sexisme-de-la-societe-francaise_1524854_1522571.html

Translation by Google

It would be interesting to know if the translation is right, as I have zero interest in life where the masculine/feminine dance has been killed off by the political pressure groups....
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2) Avoir envie de changer radicalement les choses pour construire un monde où le sexe n'aurait plus aucune importance dans notre façon de vivre nos vies.


She also says that the American feminists are trying to get a demonstration organized. We see if they can make it happen, but I doubt it....it is kinda hard to get all worked up over the plight of a woman who just won the lottery.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:36 am
@Ionus,
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Hate to think it is all you defending a bad idea
Why are you getting worked up over votes? It is a system that goes mostly unused because almost everyone around A2K realizes that it does not add value.....it was a bad idea that would be very harmful to A2K if it were used but it is not, in spite of periodic efforts by Robert to get people to use it.

Let it go man...
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:43 am
@hawkeye10,
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Why are you getting worked up over votes?
I think it shows emotions rather than thought.....I am not "worked up"....I can only see one purpose, and that is RG wants to use it to distance himself from anything but popular ideas . He doesnt want to be thought of now or later as someone who supported "THOSE" people and their ideas .
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:06 am
@Ionus,
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I think it shows emotions rather than thought.....I am not "worked up"....I can only see one purpose, and that is RG wants to use it to distance himself from anything but popular ideas . He doesnt want to be thought of now or later as someone who supported "THOSE" people and their ideas .
Yes, I was outraged at the time because Robert was clearly trying to take A2K in the direction of Facebook, he wanted it to be more clubby, more sedate, more feminine....he said straight up that he wanted to get rid of trouble makers like me. But it has not worked out that way, actually this space has become more radical and even more masculine as those who are the most noteworthy/rabble rousing keep getting responses thus kicked up to the top of the stack. The tag system only works so-so which means that those who can get responses of any kind do the best in this environment, as most of the rest gets lost fast.

None of the new A2K works as it was intended, the voting system is the relic of an new giant planned community that Robert was trying to create that got immediately repurposed by the community that was at the old A2K. When you look at the voting system as the community is now all you can say is "WTF is that all about?", it is only when you do an archaeology dig into what the new A2K was supposed to be that it makes any sense.

BTW- I said at the time that Robbert was actively trying to silence the minority, to snuff out minority views with his popularity metric which would make it impossible to build new majorities....it was a system to convey the conventual wisdom and nothing else. Only the wisdom of the community in having the good sense to not use the tools that Robert built into the new A2K has prevented that from happening.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:12 am
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Away from the cameras, much of the French public seemed to have sought solace in the belief – held by almost two-thirds of the population, according to a poll – that the entire affair was a set-up. And also in humour: social networks were awash with jokes, while a sketch on France Inter, the equivalent of BBC Radio 4, consisted of a male comedian imagining Strauss-Kahn's internal dialogue moments before the alleged attack. "Put away the merguez [sausage], mate," said one voice. "Whip out the tools, mate," countered another.

After several days of this, Osez le Féminisme decided enough was enough. In a powerful statement, it declared that the way in which the chambermaid's account had been dismissed showed how difficult it was for victims of sexual assault to come forward. The levity with which her allegations were treated by some, it added, showed "to what extent violence against women is still underestimated". Of the estimated 75,000 women who are raped in France each year, it is said only 10% file an official complaint with the police.

In the pristine quarters of Paris, where a privileged elite work, dine and often sleep together, this machismo wears a sophisticated face. From the double life of François Mitterrand to the years of Jacques Chirac ("three minutes, shower included", the rumour goes), France has long shrugged its shoulders at its leaders' private indiscretions. Moreover, say some, it has tacitly encouraged them. When asked in 2006 about her husband's "passion for women", Strauss-Kahn's third wife, Anne Sinclair, told L'Express magazine: "I'm proud of it! It's important for a politician to be able to seduce."

The question of Strauss-Kahn's mode de séduction has now been pored over by the French media in minute detail, including the claim by Tristane Banon, a writer, that Strauss-Kahn had attempted to force her into sex, too, and a rather apologetic shrug from the all-knowing Paris elite. Strauss-Kahn vehemently denies Banon's account.

Even last week, as the extent of DSK's wandering eye became clear, the vast majority of French people remained convinced that the private sphere should remain off-limits to public scrutiny. Regurgitated reports of DSK's alleged visits to an exclusive swingers' club in central Paris, Les Chandelles, may have raised eyebrows in Britain, but in France they were merely a sign of an individual's right to sexual freedom.

"It's something going on in his private life. It's not a practice forbidden by the law," said Charles Morin, a writer who frequented the club from the age of 18 and describes it as a place "where you can have a drink, watch people make love… Lots of people do it. It's not the first time that a politician has done something like that."

Straightforward libertinism, it was agreed, was nothing to worry about. But weren't there other, more disturbing, reports? Why, asked some critics, when she made her allegations on a television show several years ago, was Banon not questioned further about her memorable tale of "a rutting chimpanzee"? Why, when journalists knew that the Socialist MP Aurélie Filipetti made arrangements never to be "left alone in a room with him", was nothing more ever said?

"It feels like France is just beginning to wake up to the concept of sexual harassment," wrote the France-based British author Lucy Wadham on her blog last week, referring to the debate over the difference between seduction and the kind of "very heavy, very persistent" onslaught that Filipetti attributes to Strauss-Kahn. Criticising the rush to treat DSK as a victim, Wadham added: "Wilfully unreconstructed, France is a society in which women collude in a continued phallocracy."

Simon Jackson, an English historian at Sciences Po, the elite political studies institute in Paris, shares the view that, in France, male attitudes to sex lag behind Britain in terms of equality. "I think that's in large part the product of serious and continuing deficits in the opportunities women enjoy professionally, educationally and socially in France, which is one of the least gender-equal countries in the EU." Figures for 2011 lay bare those deficits: women make up 18.5% of MPs and 85% of casual workers. In the gender pay gap survey released at Davos, France came 46th. Britain was 15th.

This view of France as a stalled feminist project is not just one held by Anglo-Saxons; many French feel it, too. In the Nouvel Observateur magazine last week, editor Laurent Joffrin wrote that an "indulgence of overly insistent advances, which end up as affronts to the dignity of women, are a French archaism which is broadly spread across all [political] parties and all milieus".

Stepping into the fray came the formidable Gisèle Halimi, a women's rights activist and lawyer, who, at the age of 84, declared in an interview she was "convinced" that "if this [DSK] business had occurred in France, we would have known nothing about it". The US legal system, she said, reaffirms women's dignity and the protection of the weakest. "It has to be said, it's a victory for American feminists who, for years, have worked to show that sexual harassment and rape were serious crimes."

Some observers believe that the stereotypical grand séducteur image of the Gallic male is becoming outmoded among a younger generation. "There is a whole wave of these older guys, who cheat on their wives, who have a bit of power, who are over 50 and are proud of seducing these girls. But I don't see it at all with younger men – they have been more globalised, more influenced by feminism," said Paul Ackermann, the Swiss author of Masculins Singuliers, an exploration of contemporary male identity.

Others, including de Haas, are not so optimistic. The road ahead would be "long and tough", she warned – and if last week's debate had done anything, it was to highlight how big the problem of sexism remains. (It also, however, proved that effective lobbying could force women's rights onto the agenda; by the end of last week the tone of debate had mellowed, and Kahn, for one, had admitted his words had been "unacceptable".)

Today, beside the Pompidou Centre, a "rally against sexism" will be held and a petition handed round that already has more than 1,500 signatories. Female representation in the public sphere; workplace harassment; increased recognition of women's sexual freedom – all are on the feminist agenda, and none of them will be easy to attain. But at least, it seems, there will be company along the way.

"We are seeing a fresh enthusiasm," said de Haas. "We have lots and lots of girls coming to meetings, we get loads of emails and people wanting to know how to create similar organisations abroad. So I'm optimistic for a feminist reawakening, but I don't think it's the DSK affair that's going to do it for us. We need much more than that."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/22/dominique-strauss-kahn-arrest-dormant-anger-france-women

Firefly is of course still doing her song and dance about how "nothing has changed about the crime of rape", as she is allergic to honesty when it gets in the way of her argument. Bill, Ionus and I have gone on for a year about how the laws have gone too far against men, and we still as recently as a couple of days ago have had Firefly pissing in our ear about how nothing has changed, about how we are imagining all of our complaints...because we hate women and want to abuse them, naturally.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:25 am
@hawkeye10,
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he said straight up that he wanted to get rid of trouble makers like me
Very Happy

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kicked up to the top of the stack
??? What stack ?

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Only the wisdom of the community in having the good sense to not use the tools
I conducted a recent experiment with a post about Pandas....a combination of people who wanted to know what I wrote AND those who have an interest in Pandas or read a post simply because it was new, gave me a figure of less than 1% use the thumbs . I must admit to a sense of community and feelings of talking to intelligent people when I saw that .
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:32 am
@hawkeye10,
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because we hate women and want to abuse them
I thought I was quite fond of women...I just dont like feminism for its irresponsible "I feel the world should be like this" attitude .

Women already had a deal where they stay at home and men fight the wars . Now they can pretend to be soldiers till it gets too difficult in which case all they have to do is scream rape and gets lots of government money or get pregnant and get lots of government money . I am waiting for the day when conscription drags some crying hysterical woman off to basic training whilst her husband stands in the doorway with two children and the crowd calls her a coward and a traitor .
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:44 am
@Ionus,
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?? What stack ?
Both the "new posts" and "my posts" stacks. People were supposed to either sift A2K by tags searches or by popularity, but many of us rarely use either. I think the perferred way to use A2K is to go to "my Posts" look and threads from the top, if you run out of new posts to look at in threads that you have posted in before you want to give up on A2K for the day then you go to 'new posts" so see what else is hopping on A2K that gets your attention, the last active thread is the first one you see and so on. Once you make a post in a new thread that thread will be on the first page every time you come to A2K if others are posting in it. The active threads are the ones the get the majority of notice, everything else falls many pages back and will rarely be seen unless you go searching by tags,and even then only if someone had properly tagged the thread, which I think has mostly become a new chore for the Hamsters as most of the rest of us can not be bothered.

When Robert did this the idea was that you could tailor your A2K experience as you wanted, you could sift a2K as you wanted, and it was designed so that the unpopular views and people would quickly drop out of the first page of any search, would be hard to locate. So long as most people only use "new posts" and "my posts" A2K is a churn and burn space, those who can incite the passions of other members enough to get them to make a post win...Negative attention is as good as positive attention, which is not at all what was supposed to happen.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 04:22 am
@hawkeye10,
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. So long as most people only use "new posts" and "my posts" A2K is a churn and burn space, those who can incite the passions of other members enough to get them to make a post win...Negative attention is as good as positive attention, which is not at all what was supposed to happen.


Robert should be happy his system did not work as plan as the evil non-pc posters on this system drive more postings and more traffic on this system then any other group.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 05:48 am
@BillRM,
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One wonder how the male police officers would react if they found themselves label as likely rapists for flirting with women or even trying to pick one up every now and then.


Funny you should mention that, since two NYC police officers are currently on trial for rape. The NYPD is not rushing to their defense with the sort of anti-women attacks that you, Hawkeye, Ionus, and Spendius have been making. They, most of all, know that the crime of rape occurs--it is not a fantasy devised by feminists to toss innocent men in jail or put them through a publicly humiliating legal wringer.

The two police officers currently on trial were called to assist an extremely drunk, and ill, young woman get from a cab (where she had vomited) to her apartment. The woman, a clothing store executive had been out celebrating with friends because she was moving to a new state and a new job. She contends that one of the officers raped her, and the state contends the other remained in her apartment as a look-out. Both officers were videotaped coming and going from her apartment several times during the night, and they even called in a false 911 call to their own precinct so they could remain in the area. The woman's memory of what went on in the apartment is spotty, because she was very drunk, but she insists she awakened to find one of the officers raping her from behind. There was no DNA evidence found at her medical examination to confirm that sexual contact even took place, let alone a rape. The officer contends there was no sexual contact, but he admitted he got in bed and cuddled her, at her request, as he advised her to go to A.A. In addition, the woman has filed a $50 million civil suit against NYC and the officers, based on the alleged rape, causing the defense to brand her as a gold-digger who has made up a rape story to get money.

It is extremely unusual that a D.A. would take such a case, without DNA, and with a witness with a somewhat clouded memory, to trial, let alone a trial against two police officers, but the D.A. was obviously convinced of their guilt. Whether he has been able to convince a jury of that remains to be seen--the jury is now on their fifth day of deliberations regarding a verdict. They obviously have not jumped to a snap decision that the woman is not credible, even with her spotty memory. The jurors appear to be taking their obligation very seriously.

I mention the above case because it got a great deal of pre-trial publicity and a lot of publicity during the trial--most of it very negative toward the two cops, particularly in NYC's two tabloid newspapers, and the public is inclined to believe that when the police are arrested they must have done something wrong. Both officers broke all sorts of NYPD procedural rules that night, and they were obviously guilty of departmental misconduct. But, did one rape the woman, while the other watched? Whether a rape occurred, depends solely on whether the jurors believe the woman, because it is unsupported by any forensic evidence. Like Strauss-Kahn, these two officers face up to 25 years in jail if convicted on the highest charges. The woman might have a financial motive. But there is even less forensic evidence of any sexual contact in this case than there apparently is in the case of Strauss-Kahn. But, what was the officer doing in this woman's bed cuddling her? If he admits to that, could he have possibly also have raped her? Could she be telling the truth?

I haven't followed the police case all that closely, but not I'm sure the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and I'm curious to hear what the verdict will be. This case hinges on circumstantial evidence--why the officers, who are obviously bad cops, kept coming and going from her apartment during the night--as well as the recollection of an extremely drunk woman, and who the jury will find most credible.

The Strauss-Kahn case is no more ambiguous than most rape or attempted rape cases. The police acted on a complaint by a woman who claimed she was sexually assaulted, just as they do in all such cases. And they found her account credible. For all we know, Srauss-Kahn may have acted inappropriately to staff at the Sofitel on prior visits and the hotel might have covered it up. This time he might have crossed a line that left them no choice but to call the police, and, any accounts of past inappropriate advances toward female staff that the hotel gave the police, would have helped to bolster the maid's credibility. But this is just another sexual assault case in NYC, and it's being handled just like the others. The only difference in this case is the high profile of the defendant and the consequent media attention.

The DSK case isn't a "date rape" case, and it has nothing to do with feminism--Strauss-Kahn is accused of a forcible, violent, sexual assault on a stranger--and that sort of thing has always been considered criminal.

And I am surprised that neither you nor your misogynistic cronies haven't considered the fact that the last thing the City of New York would do is risk a false arrest suit from this very prominent, influential, wealthy man. They had to be damn sure he did it before they arrested him--and they arrested him very quickly after the alleged crime, meaning they were assured of certainty. And, while you may think the charges against him are "silly" or lacking in "common sense", consider the fact that his lawyers put up no big fight to get the case immediately dropped--they simply said the charges were "defensible" at trial, and that force was not a factor.

The burden of proof is on the defense at trial. Even if DSK assaulted the maid, the D.A. must convince a jury of that and the defense will try to raise reasonable doubt. The Manhattan D.A.'s office has the oldest sex crimes unit in the country--they are very, very experienced in evaluating and prosecuting crimes of this nature. They do not lightly bring charges, nor do they have to go out of their way to look for people to charge. Except for its high profile nature, and its extremely well paid defense team, this is just another sexual assault case in NYC. It will head to trial, and you will have to wait for the trial to hear the evidence from both sides. Stop making up excuses, in advance, for a man who has very possibly committed sexual assaults--which is why he was arrested and indicted--wait to hear the actual evidence at trial, rather than going by the leaks coming out now.






BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:07 am
@firefly,
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Funny you should mention that, since two NYC police officers are currently on trial for rape. The NYPD is not rushing to their defense with the sort of anti-women attacks that you, Hawkeye, Ionus, and Spendius have been making. They, most of all, know that the crime of rape occurs--it is not a fantasy devised by feminists to toss innocent men in jail or put them through a publicly humiliating legal wringer.




Mame
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:07 am
@Ionus,
Look, this whole situation has been blown out of proportion here by several men who are continually fuelling the fire. If they and you had stopped your rants, it wouldn't have been nearly this many pages; it's just not that important to most of the world.

I don't personally care if he is innocent or guilty: I would just like to see a fair trial. IF he did, indeed, sexually assault someone, he should pay for it, and NOT get off simply because he's an important person. IF she is lying, SHE should pay for it. That's it.

When Michael Jackson was accused of sleeping with children, the world jumped on the "MJ's a paedophile" bandwagon and convicted him on pretty much the same amount of 'information' as we have on this case. It's not a case of feminists out to destroy a 'good' man - it's simply human nature.

I don't know what really happened and frankly, I don't really care. What outraged me (although that's too strong a word for it) was that some people thought he should get a slap on the wrist because he was critical to the IMF. They then started twisting reports as they have dribbled out into he's now a scapegoat for the entire population of the men of the world, where they can't have any 'fun' without feminists interfering and demanding punishment.

The whole thing is a non-issue. He is attracting all this attention because of who he is, his stature on the world stage. If he was a lowly telephone repairman, we'd have heard nothing. It's the press, not the feminists, who are making this an event. And all our local misogynists, of course.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:11 am
@firefly,
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And I am surprised that neither you nor your misogynistic cronies haven't considered the fact that the last thing the City of New York would do is risk a false arrest suit from this very prominent, influential, wealthy man. They had to be damn sure he did it before they arrested him--and they arrested him very quickly after the alleged crime, meaning they were assured of certainty. And, while you may think the charges against him are "silly" or lacking in "common sense", consider the fact that his lawyers put up no big fight to get the case immediately dropped--they simply said the charges were "defensible" at trial, and that force was not a factor
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All men are guilty of rape until proven innocent even the head of the IMF on the word of any woman.



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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:23 am
@Mame,
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I don't personally care if he is innocent or guilty: I would just like to see a fair trial. IF he did, indeed, sexually assault someone, he should pay for it, and NOT get off simply because he's an important person. IF she is lying, SHE should pay for it. That's it.


First no matter if he is proven innocent beyond question great harm had been done to this man on just the charges and the arrest that can not be undone.

She will not be punish for a false charge as the crime of making a false police report is a minor misdemeanor in most states that is rarely if ever prosecuted.

See the Duke case where the false accuser walked free after turning the lives of three young innocent men upside down even those she did end up in jail on the charge of knifing a boyfriend to death later on.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:30 am
@BillRM,
There is no issue of a completely false accusation in this case--the two were alone together in that hotel suite. Strauss-Kahn's DNA has been found on the maid's clothing. That helps to establish contact between them. So, this is not an accusation that could be said to be manufactured out of thin air. Unless there is absolute evidence that consenting sexual contact occurred, and there is no proof of that, and it is highly unlikely there will ever be proof of that--the defense can knock holes in the prosecution evidence, and raise reasonable doubt, but they cannot prove she gave consent.

Her contention that a sexual assault took place is no more a false accusation than his contention that it was consensual (which means he is accusing her of lying).

As I said in my last post, the City of New York would not risk a false arrest suit from this very influential, wealthy man. They found his accuser very credible and so did a grand jury. There is absolutely nothing that has emerged thus far to suggest a false allegation, so stop beating that drum.

If you want to be logical, you have to assume false accusations can occur on both sides. But, logic has never been your strong suit...
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:43 am
@firefly,
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There is no issue of a completely false accusation in this case--the two were alone together in that hotel suite. Strauss-Kahn's DNA has been found on the maid's clothing


None of this evidence was known when he was taken off an aircraft and thrown into a jail cell so once more any man can have his life turn up side down on the word of any female.

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As I said in my last post, the City of New York would not risk a false arrest suit from this very influential, wealthy man. They found his accuser very credible and so did a grand jury.


BULLSHIT as they was willing to take a man off a plane and throw him in a jail cell on her word alone.

We charge first and then investigate later.

Oh once more a woman is rarely punish or only mildly punish for leveling a false charge so it is a free shot at a man that any woman can take without any need on her part to be concern about punishment for so doing.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:45 am
@BillRM,
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All men are guilty of rape until proven innocent even the head of the IMF on the word of any woman.

This has nothing to do with ALL MEN. It has to do with one particular man, who has been arrested and indicted on sexual assault assault charges. That action, by law enforcement, presumes guilt. At trial, the jury must presume innocence. That's true in all criminal cases, not just sex assault cases. And the evidence will involve more than the word of the woman, even the evidence presented to the grand jury involved more than just her word.
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She will not be punish for a false charge as the crime of making a false police report is a minor misdemeanor in most states that is rarely if ever prosecuted.

Stop making up lies!
She hasn't made a completely false charge--they have enough evidence to go to trial. And, if they prove that her story was entirely fabricated, which is highly unlikely, she has committed perjury, because she would have lied to a grand jury--that is a serious crime, a felony, for which she would be severely punished.
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See the Duke case...

Stop exploiting those Duke athletes. The facts of that case bear no resemblance to this one. That case involved a corrupt D.A. who was disbarred.

Defendants in sexual assault cases make false accusations about their accusers all the time--the most common defense is ,"She's lying, it was consenting"--even when the sexual contact was, in fact, forcible, and against her will.





firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 06:56 am
@Mame,
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The whole thing is a non-issue. He is attracting all this attention because of who he is, his stature on the world stage. If he was a lowly telephone repairman, we'd have heard nothing. It's the press, not the feminists, who are making this an event. And all our local misogynists, of course.

Couldn't agree more with your entire post.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 07:01 am
@firefly,
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Stop exploiting those Duke athletes. The facts of that case bear no resemblance to this one. That case involved a corrupt D.A. who was disbarred.


It was all the fault of a male DA not the police or Duke University that acted as if they was guilty from the start?

Firing the team coach and disbanding the team with eighty-eight professors releasing a letter that assume the young men was guilty without any proof at all.

Allowing anti players posters to be hung around campus using university funds and on and on we go.

Sorry it was not just a bad DA it was people like you that assume that any rape charge must be true.

firefly
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 07:13 am
@BillRM,
Stop with the Duke case--where there was no evidence of any sexual contact between the Duke players and the woman. It bears no resemblance to the DSK matter. You are simply making yourself look ridiculous.

The Strauss-Kahn case not only has evidence of contact, the defense is apparently going to assert it was consensual--not forcible. They are admitting sexual contact took place.

You have no evidence of a false accusation in this case. Your reasoning is as absurd as saying Bernie Madoff shouldn't have been considered possibly guilty when he was first arrested because some people have been falsely accused of fraud.

You are going to have to wait for the trial to hear the evidence from both sides.
 

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