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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 07:28 pm
@BillRM,
Earlier there was a post that DSK called the front desk and asked the random woman who answered to join him for drinks. While not at all illegal, how is asking a woman you have never seen show judgement and control of his behavior?
roger
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 07:36 pm
@engineer,
I'd put that down as more optimistic than creepy. Heck, when I discovered BBB lived in Albuquerque, I invited her out to lunch. Turned me down cold, but no offense taken so far as I know.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 07:37 pm
@BillRM,
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The whole idea that they had not met that there was no friendly interactions and that he would just attack her at first sighting does not made sense
Her ending up in his room by accident with him coming out of the shower naked I can see. She covers her eyes all embarrassed, he gets playful saying something to the effect "hey dont worry baby, everything is all right" with him putting his hands on her....eventually touching her breast in a caressing way....she saying "no we cant cause I will lose my job" and he responds "no way baby, dont you know who I am" ...he presents dick and she sucks....she leaves, he leaves. Now THAT sounds like something that might happen given what we know about this guy. I can see DSK thinking that she was not apposed to the oral, only she did not want to lose her job because of it.

What was "dragging her down the haul" which seems to be turning into leading her down the hall, him closing what ever you call that anti intruder bar, him pinning her to the bed, her running and falling before the oral does not fit the guy we have heard about. Gone from the story seems to be the part where he tries to grab her crotch and settles for oral which also does not fit.

Catching him by surprise and pushing him back right after he came is something that likely happened, but that could be also the result of coming in her mouth, which she was not expecting and did not like...it does not indicate that the oral itself was not consensual.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 07:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
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What was "dragging her down the haul" which seems to be turning into leading her down the hall
Actually, I think that "chasing her down the hall" was the first version....
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 08:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Have you ever considered a writing career with Mills & Boon, hawkeye?
I think you'd be a natural at romantic/erotic fiction.
You've certainly created enough here! Wink
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 08:14 pm
@engineer,
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Earlier there was a post that DSK called the front desk and asked the random woman who answered to join him for drinks. While not at all illegal, how is asking a woman you have never seen show judgement and control of his behavior?


Asking a young woman up to your room when you are a powerful married man of 62 years does indeed show a level of bad judgment however a sexual assault in a hotel room register to you on a unknown woman is bad judgment of at least ten or more orders of magnitude greater.

There is something wrong with some of the people on this thread who keep trying to connect somewhat aggressive legal male behaviors towards women with the likelihood that the men doing so will also sexually assault women.

I remember back forty years when a very very hot young lady went by me in the student union and I did a hundred and eighty degree turn and follow her into a coffee shop where I tapped her on the shoulder and told her that I had just fallen madly in love with her. This was a level of aggressiveness that at the time shock me as I was doing it.

It was the start of a six month relationship however even those in the right situation beautiful women can cause me to become socially aggressive neither my lust nor my hormone had ever came near to driving me to rape.

There is no connection that I had found with a willingness to be aggressive toward women even to the point of bad judgment and the willingness to rape someone.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:00 pm
An academic from Princeton decides that the French will come around to the American position.
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The arrest of Dominique Strauss-Kahn has left the French shell-shocked. The violent and voyeuristic nature of the accusation, the political prominence of the accused, and the globalization of the scandal make it a perfect storm for yet another bout of anti-Americanism in France. But so far the atavistic reflexes have been limited and restrained. Where did French anti-Americanism go?

Whatever their party affiliation (with the exception of the far-right National Front), the French have been experiencing a collective exercise through the five stages of grief since the DSK news broke out on Sunday morning.

First was denial. How could a man on top of the world, reputed for his professionalism and competence, assured to be competing in and likely to win the French presidential election, so completely self-destruct at the height of his glory? To be sure, his lust for women and philandering were a hardly disguised secret in French politics, but there is a wide gap between seducer and rapist. So the French concluded that something was fishy about this story. Maybe the New York police made a mistake. Maybe the accuser had an ulterior motive. The friends of DSK made the media rounds to proclaim his innocence, and the internet soon was abuzz with elaborate conspiracy theories. Indeed, two days after the revelations, 57 percent of the French believed that this was a set up.

Second came anger. When Strauss-Kahn was initially denied bail and the reality that evidence may exist against him started to sink in, France turned to laying blame. And the culprit was, to be expected, the United States.

The American justice system was first to be indicted. The images of DSK's perp walk were shocking in a country where it is forbidden to broadcast pictures affecting the presumption of innocence of the accused. The following 24 hour news cycle was dominated by denunciations and analyses of the brutality and savagery of American justice procedures. Though used to watching American crime shows on television, the French were given a crash-course on the American justice system where the prosecution seems to have the upper hand, where the accused is degraded and treated with what many see as cruelty, where money apparently can buy you better conditions, and where in many jurisdictions, including NYC, the elected DA must take into account political considerations. As French public intellectual Alain Finkielkraut put it, the United States has a "barbarian judicial system."

The American media was next on the hit list. The muckrakers were already digging into DSK's past -motivated by Puritanism and greed, both of them equally appalling to the French. Unlike predatory Anglo-Saxon journalism, private lives have traditionally been off limits in France. Journalists and politicians congratulated each other on having managed to preserve a French exception when it comes to "the bedroom."

The denunciation of the US justice system and media practices both fit the traditional anti-American tropes honed in France over centuries -a land of savagery and lack of civilization, a place where Puritanism meets hypocrisy. And also, as suggested by outraged former minister Jack Lang, a country where French-bashing still pays off.

With a few days hindsight, however, what is most surprising about the fallout of the DSK scandal in France is not how much, but rather how little displays of anti-Americanism it has provoked. To the contrary, the scandal is now turning into a teachable moment and a frank analysis of the comparative merits of French and American society. Perhaps this is the bargaining stage: if we understand the American system, perhaps we can expect it to treat one of our own fairly?

The flamboyant declarations by Bernard-Henri Lévy who was trying to help his friend by complaining that the American judge had treated DSK "like any other" subject of justice backfired. The next news cycle in France was about introspection. What if the American justice system actually had some features that could be replicated, such as the equality of treatment? A flurry of accusatory articles popped up in the French press denouncing how a defendant of DSK's stature would never have gone through the same legal troubles in France -unlike a random "Benoit" or "Karim." As socialist and DSK friend Manuel Valls publicly confessed, criticizing the American justice system also puts the spotlight on the weaknesses of French justice. This realization that perhaps the Americans might have components in their justice system that should be replicated in France might have left many with the depressing thought - "maybe we are not as wonderful and superior as we thought: so what is now our place in the world?"

Many analysts, mostly women but not only, seized on the scandal to praise an American society where it is easy (read, easier than in France) to denounce sex crimes and violence against women.

As for the French media, they, too, quickly went into soul-searching mode. By refusing to report beyond the "bedroom door", had they been complicit? Why doesn't France have a tradition of investigative journalism? Should French reporters be importing best practices from their American counterparts? Ahhhh, acceptance.

Surprisingly, the DSK scandal so far has not driven a wedge between France and the US and not resuscitated the age-old reflexes of anti-Americanism. For those who tried to exploit it, it did not pay off. French anti-Americanism ain't what it used to be!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sophie-meunier/the-dsk-scandal-french-an_b_865776.html

It is certainly true that at the moment the French men are letting the women run the conversation, from what I see in a brief look around the French newspapers. I think however that I will not take too seriously an American from Princeton's opinion on what the French think, I will hold out for hearing it from the horse's mouth. It comes as no surprise that this woman from Princeton decides not to tackle the fact that 57% of the French think that DSK was set up.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:02 pm
I you are a woman or feminist, he is guilty . look at the thumbs for an indication of how women are prepared to vote without facts and based just on how they feel . Now look at the trending of the men...they express their opinion that he might be innocent until proven guilty but do not vote the women's posts down but just expressing innocence gets them voted down .

Something to be learned there...a bit like the OJ trial...if you were black he couldnt have done it . If you were white he must have done it .
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:04 pm
@Ionus,
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I you are a woman or feminist, he is guilty

Actually, Ionus, most here (both men & women) are satisfied to see what eventuates in the court case.
Most of the speculating about guilt or innocence has been courtesy of hawkeye & Bill.
Irishk
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:14 pm
@roger,
You weren't nicknamed "The Great Seducer" were you? Smile
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:18 pm
@msolga,
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Actually, Ionus, most here (both men & women) are satisfied to see what eventuates in the court case.
Most of the speculating about guilt or innocence has been courtesy of hawkeye & Bill.
That is a big statement considering how few cases ever get to court in the American system.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:27 pm
@msolga,
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Actually, Ionus, most here (both men & women) are satisfied to see what eventuates in the court case.
But has any damage been done to the man before that ? As an innocent man, until proven guilty, has he already suffered some of the punishment of a guilty man ?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:40 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

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I you are a woman or feminist, he is guilty

Actually, Ionus, most here (both men & women) are satisfied to see what eventuates in the court case.
Most of the speculating about guilt or innocence has been courtesy of hawkeye & Bill.


Pretty much all of it has, hasn't it? Like...starting the thread as some kind of pathetic bait?

Generally, we prefer to wait for the trial.

There is a societal convention for such things, albeit most imperfect, and that will be the decider, not misogynist random nutters in silly threads.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:48 pm
@dlowan,
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There is a societal convention for such things, albeit most imperfect, and that will be the decider, not misogynist random nutters in silly threads.
Right, because in your world conversations take place only AFTER the wrong opinions have been excluded. God help you if you should be made to confront ideas that you dont want to deal with....that would be just too much indignity for you to be expected to handle......
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
And dlowen, as we see with the racial situation in America (the determination that the government now oppresses whites), and with the hard right turn in the politics of both America and Europe, none of which was on the radar of the societal conversation, when the conversation is regulated as the Liberals have demanded over the last decades it gets to be impossible to know what people really think. All of the sudden nationalism and deep hostility to liberalism and multiculturalism spring up seemingly out of no where and then we get to watch all of you elitist swine go off squealing "WTF, we are supposed to be over all of this, humans have been on our program to evolve out of the dark ways, this can't be happening!!!"
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:57 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
I'd put that down as more optimistic than creepy. Heck, when I discovered BBB lived in Albuquerque, I invited her out to lunch. Turned me down cold, but no offense taken so far as I know.


That isn't at all like inviting a stranger to your hotel room for drinks. At least you started with lunch.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:00 pm
@Ionus,
I am not a woman or a feminist. We've already gone thought this, I (and others, I bet) vote your posts down because they are stupid. But go on thinking it must be women and feminists and evidence of their illogic even. I can see the convenience of such a worldview.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:57 am
@Robert Gentel,
It has nothing to do with my posts . ALL POSTS against him being a sex criminal are voted down . As he hasnt been to court yet, law and logic dictate he is not guilty . Any expression of his innocence, the FACT of his innocence at this point in time, are voted down .

I am sorry if the thumbs was your best idea ever, but it really sucks and is simply a way for the vengeful to express hatred . I say again, ALL POSTS against him being a sex criminal at this point in time are voted down, not just mine . But I can see the convenience of such a world view where it is all my fault .
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:07 am
an oldie but a goody (may 18th)
Brendan O'Neill
Brendan O'Neill is the editor of spiked, an independent online phenomenon dedicated to raising the horizons of humanity by waging a culture war of words against misanthropy, priggishness, prejudice, luddism, illiberalism and irrationalism in all their ancient and modern forms.
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I am no fan of Dominique Strauss-Kahn, still less of the Socialist Party of France that he is a member of or the nation-wrecking IMF that he currently runs. Yet I can’t help feeling that his arrest on charges of sexual assault is being turned into a modern-day medieval drama, a kind of reality-show version of the witch trials of old, in which DSK has been assigned the role of all-purpose hate figure rather than suspect in a crime. I never in a million years thought I would find myself in agreement with the professional poseur and state-sponsored philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy, but he has a point when he says that there is something distinctly off in the way the “entire world” is “revelling in the spectacle of this handcuffed figure”.
Here in NYC (where I currently am) it is pretty clear that DSK has become a twenty-first century evil entity for the weirdly medieval media to gawp at and mock. He has been turned into a kind of voodoo doll, into which various political factions with a mish-mash of agendas can stick their pins. Indeed, the arrest of DSK has united some normally violently opposed forces – from Fox News to feminists – in an orgy of moralistic handwringing about the warped morality of French Socialists or the evil nature of men in general or how DSK’s alleged actions demonstrate the corruptibility of political power.
The Right hates Dominique Strauss-Kahn because of his socialist leanings. Fox News has been laying into him on an almost hourly basis, its lick-lipping presenters laughing at the fact that a so-called socialist stays in $3,000 hotel rooms and openly hinting that sexual assault is a natural progression from being a generally arrogant politician, especially one of the French and Left-wing variety. Left-wing commentators hate DSK because of his antics with the IMF and they too wonder out loud if assaulting a maid isn’t just an extension of DSK’s nine-to-five job of assaulting cash-strapped nations.
And feminists hate DSK because… well, because he is a man, and even worse than that he’s a man who has reportedly flirted and engaged in saucy dialogue with his female staff in the past. The speed and thoroughness with which feminist writers have drawn a link between DSK’s everyday workplace demeanour and the alleged rape of a maid has been extraordinary, as if there is a natural and logical link between sexist banter at work and the violent and criminal degradation of a woman. One writer says that what will really be on trial in NYC is the “sexual behaviour” of men in general and the “wider question of the behaviour of men in power”. DSK’s alleged actions apparently spring from “the sexism and snobbery of French politics”. Such commentary is a reminder of feminist commentators’ willingness to indulge and spread national stereotypes when it suits them and of their keen abandonment of the concept of innocent until proven guilty in any case involving allegations of rape. I mean, DSK must be guilty, right? He’s French, he’s powerful and he talks down to women. Lock him up.
The attachment of all sorts of pet political causes to a criminal case has made this feel like an increasingly olde world affair, with DSK transformed into a symbol of arrogant power or Left-wing decadence or male spite or whatever other horrible thing you might want to rail against and throw rotten tomatoes at. This isn’t only potentially bad for DSK – who, lest we forget, is still considered innocent – but also for the broader concept of fair and dispassionate and universal justice. That idea arose in opposition to medievalism, yet now the two have been dangerously smashed together in the great DSK hate-off

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100088515/everyone-from-fox-news-to-feminists-is-turning-the-arrest-of-dsk-into-a-piece-of-medieval-theatre/
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 01:21 am
@Robert Gentel,

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because they are stupid.
Show us the stupidity in this :

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But has any damage been done to the man before that ? As an innocent man, until proven guilty, has he already suffered some of the punishment of a guilty man ?
Because I can show you the emotion generated against it . Shall I do the same with the other posts by men here or are they all stupid because they are not kiss arse enough to the Libbies and their all men are rapists agenda ?

Hate to think it is all you defending a bad idea .
 

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