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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 07:23 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
so off to my ignore file.


You wouldn't perchance be an American, would you, Bill?
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 08:50 pm
Apparently, what may have happened in Strauss-Kahn's hotel suite isn't all that uncommon,
Quote:
The New York Times
May 20, 2011
Sexual Affronts Are a Known Hotel Hazard
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE

A lot of people were shocked by the charges that the head of the International Monetary Fund sexually assaulted a hotel housekeeper in New York last weekend.

But housekeepers and hotel security experts say that housekeepers have long had to deal with various sexual affronts from male guests, including explicit comments, groping, guests who expose themselves and even attempted rape.

“These problems happen with some regularity,” said Anthony Roman, chief executive of Roman & Associates, a Long Island company that advises hotels on security matters. “They’re not rare, but they’re not common either.”

Hotels are reluctant to discuss such incidents, but security experts say the accusations against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the I.M.F. chief, will prompt some hotel managers to review their security practices to better protect their housekeeping staff.

Zemina Cuturic, a refugee from Bosnia who works at the Tremont Chicago Hotel, said she remained frightened whenever she had to clean Room 410 because of what happened there a year ago. She was vacuuming, she said, and the guest, who had left the room minutes earlier, suddenly reappeared and “reached to try to kiss me behind my ear.”

“I dropped my vacuum, and then he grabbed my body at the waist, and he was holding me close,” Ms. Cuturic recalled. She persuaded the guest to let her go, and she fled. “It was very scary,” she said. Ms. Cuturic reported the incident to hotel management, but decided against going to the police. “I was kind of scared that he’d come back the next day if I did,” she said.

A Tremont official said the hotel, part of the Starwood chain, has a full-time security guard whose only job is to watch over the housekeeping staff. In the incident that Ms. Cuturic described, the official said that management confronted the man and insisted that he leave the hotel.

Housekeepers, nearly all of whom are women, talk of guests who offer them $100 or $200 for sex, apparently thinking that the maids, often low-paid immigrants, are desperate to earn more money. Some women complain of episodes in which they were bending over to, say, clean a bathtub, and a guest sneaked up and stuck his hand up their skirt.

Tom Whitlatch, president of Risk Services, a security consulting firm, said many hotel companies were taking a new look at safety after the accusations against Mr. Strauss-Kahn, who has resigned from the I.M.F. to focus on fighting the charges against him.

“I can assure you that the big hotel chains are aware of this incident and are saying, ‘We need to make sure our housekeepers are trained about this and we’re doing enough to prevent things like this from happening,’ ” he said.

Mr. Whitlatch said that there was little that hotels could do to prevent some of the incidents, but that training and good security procedures could reduce the risks to housekeepers.

Kathryn Carrington, a retired housekeeper who worked 30 years at the Grand Hyatt in Manhattan, recalled several occasions when she went into a room to clean, only to have a male guest emerge from the shower in his bathrobe, which then suddenly opened.

In one case, she said, a guest propositioned her, saying, “I see a pretty dark girl. Can you do something for me?” Ms. Carrington acknowledged that she used to carry a can opener with her in case she ever needed to defend herself from a guest.

The Grand Hyatt’s management was very supportive, she said. “They’d tell you, ‘If any situation occurred, get to the nearest phone and call the supervisor and leave the room. Someone else will help you do the room,’ ” she said.

The Hyatt Corporation declined an interview request, but said in a statement, “The safety and security of guests and associates is one of our top concerns.” It noted that its hotels employed many security measures and safety protocols. “Any time an associate raises a concern, we take it very seriously, promptly investigate the situation and follow as appropriate,” the company said.

Andria Babbington, a union safety official and a former room attendant at a major Toronto hotel, said at least five guests exposed themselves to her during her 17 years in housekeeping. She remembers once having to deliver a bathrobe to a guest who had called for one. “I knocked on the door. He said, ‘Come in,’ and I saw the guest had no clothes on,” she said. “He asked whether I could touch a certain part of his body.”

Some safety experts recommend that hotels send a male employee to deliver bathrobes or blankets when guests call for them, although they say that even male hotel workers are occasionally grabbed or propositioned by female guests.

There is also debate about whether an open or closed door is safer for a housekeeper cleaning a room.

Mr. Whitlatch recommends that housekeepers keep the door closed, saying that makes it harder for an outsider to enter to attack them or to steal the guest’s belongings. If the guest enters with a key, he said, the housekeeper should return later to finish the room.

But some maids disagreed, saying an open door can discourage a guest from misbehaving because another guest might be walking by outside.

“Keeping it wide open is the best option,” Ms. Babbington said. “When the door is shut, no one knows you’re inside.”

Ms. Carrington, the retired Grand Hyatt housekeeper, said the smartest approach was to keep the door open with the cart wedged in the doorway. “If someone comes into the room, they have to move the cart, and you hear it,” she said.

The Embassy Suites hotel in Irvine, Calif., mandates closed doors during cleaning — a policy that bothers Argelia Rico, a housekeeper there. She recalled an incident in 2009 when she was cleaning a bathroom and the guest walked in. “He asked me to change the sheets, and he went to the living room,” she said. “I was bending over tucking in the sheets, and suddenly he had come up right behind me. He was naked.”

She said the man lay down on the bed, aroused, and asked her to leave. “I was very scared because he could have just locked the door and raped me,” she said.

Christopher Daly, a spokesman for HEI Hotels & Resorts, which manages the hotel in Irvine, said it had no record of such an incident. “If any such activity, including sexual assault, was brought to our attention, we at the hotel would contact authorities ourselves, whether or not the employee asked us to or was planning to file charges,” he said.

Guests are not the only threat to housekeepers. Police in the Washington area suspect that a still-unidentified attacker raped seven housekeepers in a series of incidents several years ago.

Housekeepers and officials with the main hotel workers union, Unite Here, said that housekeepers were often too embarrassed or scared to report incidents to management or the police. Sometimes they fear that management, often embracing the motto “the customer is always right,” will believe the customer over the housekeeper and that the worker may end up getting fired.

Ms. Babbington said a co-worker once encountered a naked guest who chased her around the room. “She was just panicking,” Ms. Babbington said. “She was very new in the country and she demanded to talk to the police. Her manager sat her down to calm her down and told her not to call the police, that it wouldn’t be good for the hotel.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/21/business/21housekeeper.html

It is commendable that the Sofitel Hotel staff did not attempt to cover the Strauss-Kahn incident up, for the sake of their hotel's image. And, knowing who their important guest was, that the maid was accusing, they still chose to report the incident to the police. Apparently, they also felt that the woman was giving what sounded like a very credible account. But they really do deserve praise for supporting their employee in that manner, not all hotels would have done that.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 08:55 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Apparently, what may have happened in Strauss-Kahn's hotel suite isn't all that uncommon,


Of course not as all males are rapists in waiting.

We all are just looking for a chance to jump some third world maid bones.

After all for all that money we need something beside the the thrill of ripping off a hotel bathrobe or two.

What nonsense.....................

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 08:59 pm
@firefly,
When someone says that a crime is a big problem but does not bring forward a single crime stat to support their assertion I think we know that they are lying.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 09:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
When someone says that a crime is a big problem but does not bring forward a single crime stat to support their assertion I think we know that they are lying.


Would feminists lied about how comment sex crimes are Hawkeye come on now there is no reason to think so.

As soon as the DOJ can issue some grants for hotel rapes surveys you will see how wrong you are being to even question those unsupported claims.

Those surveys will show that at least 25 percents of all maids had been attacked.

Maids are at the same risk as our college young women and they do not even get to go to some interesting parties before they are attack.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 09:21 pm
@BillRM,
I think what we are looking at here is the feminists' version of the Rahm Emanuel doctrine "never waste a crisis"...... Using one alleged event to claim a crisis in need of the feminists bag of solutions. It is not like that would be unusual or anything...I am a bit shocked that Firefly was so slow on the play this time around, normally she does better.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 09:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
When someone says that a crime is a big problem but does not bring forward a single crime stat to support their assertion I think we know that they are lying.

Hotels are hardly going to release statistics on the number of sexual assaults occurring on their premises, but, the fact that they appear so concerned about the security of their workers, tells you it is a real problem. The fact that it occurs at all makes it a problem, as well as a concern for the female workers.

But, since you want statistics, did you know there has been a significant increase in reported rapes in NYC since the beginning of the year?
Quote:
Rapes spike staggering 24% during year's first quarter says NYPD in crime statistic release
BY BOB KAPPSTATTER
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Monday, April 04, 2011

After years of significant drops, rape complaints are up dramatically - but Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly still thinks the crime is being underreported.

The NYPD logged 340 rape complaints in the first three months of this year, compared to 274 during the same period in 2010, a 24% jump.

It isn't a blip: The numbers are up 32% over 2009.

Brooklyn had the highest number of reported rapes - 97 - with Manhattan second at 86.

The NYPD has been trying to encourage more women to come forward, one possible reason for the increase in complaints.

"Commissioner Kelly believes it is an underreported crime," NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said.

"Any increase is regrettable, but the fact that in 87% of reported rapes, the assailant was an acquaintance or relative of the victim indicates a willingness of victims to come forward, even when they know their assailant."

Kelly initiated reforms in how sexual assaults are handled after meeting with rape counseling groups last December.

Responding uniformed officers are now required to notify the Special Victims Unit, which sends its detectives to interview the victim. Kelly has also added 30 detectives to the unit.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-04/news/29398879_1_rapes-nypd-spokesman-paul-browne-complaints

The new policy, of always notifying the Special Victims Unit, and having them interview the victim, is a good one, since they have the most experience doing these types of interviews--and that policy was in effect when the Sofitel Hotel called the police in response to the maid's report of sexual assault.

Last year, the NYPD had been accused of under-reporting rapes in an attempt to improve their crime statistics. For instance, in writing up their reports, they would down-grade a clearly reported attempted rape (a felony} to a case of forcible touching (a misdemeanor). This became quite a scandal and Commissioner Kelly made changes to insure that practice would stop. However, those reforms alone are not felt to account for the increase in the rape statistics, Kelly believes those do reflect an increase in the crime rate for rape, as well as the reporting rate..

Perhaps Strauss-Kahn was unaware that the NYPD had toughened up its approach to rape since last December.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 09:45 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Hotels are hardly going to release statistics on the number of sexual assaults occurring on their premises, but, the fact that they appear so concerned about the security of their workers, tells you it is a real problem.
That assertion does not even pass the smell test....if crimes are being committed in hotels against employees, lowly paid employees who almost always get treated like **** by hotel management, there would be a gang of lawyers ready to take management for a few million dollars a throw. There is zero chance that these mistreated by employer maids are also attacked by customers and then pass up a giant payday against their employer.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 09:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
And Firefly, before you insert your next nonsense that these are poor unfortunate women, many of who would be afraid of being deported if they spoke up, feel forced to stay quiet I point out that the VAWA specifically dictates that Homeland Security CAN NOT deport any woman who has lodged a complaint about domestic violence or sexual assault. Charging abuse is a free pass to stay in America for the for seeable future, and if they are documented in court likely forever. Yet another way that we incentivize women filling claims of abuse agianst men.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 10:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
There is zero chance that these mistreated maid are attacked by customers and then pass up a giant payday against their employer.

I don't think you understand what life is like for an immigrant woman with no job skills--these women need these hotel jobs to support themselves and their families, they don't want to lose their jobs, or even risk them. They will put up with all sorts of crap from hotel guests. And they are not about to institute law suits. You can't feed your family while a lawsuit takes its time wending through the courts, with an uncertain outcome. Get real.

Is the Sofitel Hotel responsible for what Strauss-Kahn might have done to that maid? I really don't think so. They weren't negligent regarding her safety, as far as I can see. Strauss-Kahn, and no one else, is responsible for his actions in that hotel suite, whatever they were. Who knows, he might even have behaved inappropriately toward maids in that hotel before. Perhaps the others kept their mouths shut, or perhaps he didn't act as extremely or as aggressively as the maid reported he did last week. Maybe this time he crossed the line, and the hotel had to report it to the police.

Instead of trying to dismiss the issue of hotel maids being sexually harassed on the job, why don't you wonder instead why some male guests might treat those hotel maids so badly--groping them, propositioning them, appearing in the nude in front of them, chasing them around?
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 10:18 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You know JTT you would greatly and I mean greatly increased you credibility if you would not be such a one note concerning the US.

Sounding like the worst of radio Moscow during the 1950s is counter produced in selling your points of views or at least so in my opinion.

We all know what you will post in advance concerning the US IE that the US is the most evil world power in history and never done anything that was not evil.

Not only is it not true but it wiped out most people willingness to listen to you even when you happen to have a valid point.

Such as history at the public school level had never been taught frankly in the US as far as I am aware of.

Second comment, this history bias is hardly uncommon for the other nation states on this planet and you had been showing a ridiculous level of anti American bias in your postings.

I did enjoy listening to Radio Moscow in the late 50s to 60s and the one note view of the world they was broadcasting I expected but for an individual to be posting such in 2011 is crazy.


The exact same thing can be said of you and Hawk with respect to women and their rights. And your later post to him re: digging through a bunch of crap to find one good point can also be attributed to you two.

Maybe you should think before you spout off next time, bubba.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 10:23 pm
@Mame,
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And your later post to him re: digging through a bunch of crap to find one good point can also be attributed to you two.
HOLY ****! ...you now think that we have some valid points??!!

Bill, we are making progress, Mame would have never said that a year ago.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 01:46 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Again, I wonder if a woman, in a situation like the one alleged here, had the presence of mind [I know it wouldn't be easy] to mention the consequences, what might be the result.


Wonder no more. In 2007 (see, this is a very complex conspiracy in which they got the accused to attack dozens of other women to make this more credible) a woman who was attacked by this man told this story (emphasis mine):

Quote:
Tristane Banon was in her 20s and writing a book when she approached Strauss-Kahn for an interview in 2002. In a TV programme in 2007, in which Strauss-Kahn's name had been bleeped out, Banon allegedly described him as a "rutting chimpanzee" and described how she was forced to fight him off. "It finished badly … very violently … I kicked him," Banon said. "When we were fighting, I mentioned the word 'rape' to make him afraid, but it didn't have any effect. I managed to get out."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/16/dominique-strauss-kahn-tristane-banon
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 02:53 am
@hawkeye10,
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Charging abuse is a free pass to stay in America for the for seeable future, and if they are documented in court likely forever. Yet another way that we incentivize women filling claims of abuse agianst men.


There are men finding that out the hard way when dealing with international mail order brides.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 02:59 am
@BillRM,
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There are men finding that out the hard way when dealing with international mail order brides.
Yep....
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 03:09 am
@Robert Gentel,
Yes indeed Robert we should give a woman who took ten years to lay a claimed against a famous man creditably because of what?

Somehow if my name came into the news and there was a benefit to coming up with negative stories concerning me I am sure my ex-wife, assuming she is still alive, would crawl out of the woodwork to provide them.

With perhaps a few more women from my distant past chiming in.

Now Robert how about you any similar woman or women in your past that would just love to be able to knife you in the back and at the same time gain her fifteen minutes of frame?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 03:12 am
@Robert Gentel,
The Tristane story is interesting, as she has it that he lays out an elaborate seduction scene and then when she does not go for it he does not seem to fight very hard to rape her. It is troubling, but it does support his friends and loved ones who claim that he is interested in playing with women, not in raping them. I am thinking the reason she did not go forwards is that she was never going to get very far complaining about his behavior when she decided to stay in an apartment that had only a bed and video camera, and she sat holding his hand by her own admission.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 03:19 am
@hawkeye10,
http://wadvpress.org/?p=87

Title VIII of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) addresses the needs of battered immigrants. The plight of abused immigrants should concern us all. But many persons are unaware how Title VIII of VAWA is widely used to allow, even encourage immigration fraud.

VAWA Facilitates Immigration Fraud in 8 Ways

1. Provides free legal services to persons who merely claim abuse.
2. Broadens the definition of “extreme cruelty”
3. Eliminates traditional standards of proof
4. Removes the “substantial connection” requirement
5. Bans all evidence by the alleged abuser, even if it shows fraud or illegal behavior
6. Educates persons on how to take advantage of these VAWA provisions
7. Overrides deportation hearings
8. Provides a loophole for persons in the midst of deportation

Perverse Incentives


VAWA affords generous services, benefits, and legal rights to immigrants who falsely allege abuse. It is estimated that these services cost the American taxpayer $170 million a year. (www.mediaradar.org/docs/RADARreport-VAWA-Funded-Immigration-Fraud.pdf)

VAWA Loopholes

Under VAWA, an immigrant can merely claim to be a victim of domestic violence without providing any hard proof of abuse. In most states, domestic violence is broadly defined to include being “afraid,” “fearful,” or even mental “distress.” Anyone can claim to be fearful, and few judges are willing to deny a person’s request for a restraining order.

The immigrant then takes the ex parte restraining order — issued without any hard evidence of abuse — and uses it to “prove” that he or she is a victim of domestic violence. That person is able to file a self-petition with the USCIS to remove the temporary conditions from the Green Card.

In addition, VAWA places the responsibility for adjudicating abuse petitions with a CIS office in rural Vermont, rather than with the local Service Centers that are in the best position to investigate the abuse claims and hear both sides of the story.

The Accused has No Standing to Refute the Allegation

Under VAWA, a person merely accused of abuse is classified as a “prohibited source,” and the alleged abuser often is never informed of the allegations. If the alleged abuser does learn of the charges, VAWA forbids the USCIS from accepting evidence to refute the allegations.

That person does not even have the right to present proof to CIS officials that the immigrant entered the country illegally!

Open Disregard of Due Process Doesn’t Help Victims

The most fundamental principle of the American criminal justice system is the accused must be given the opportunity to refute an allegation of wrongdoing. But under VAWA immigration provisions, an American citizen accused of partner abuse has no legal standing to refute the claim of the immigrant spouse with the US government. In fact, the accused may not have even been informed of the allegation!

Safeguards need to be added so true abuse victims are protected without taking away the rights of an alleged abuser. Due process includes providing every American citizen the opportunity to refute a false allegation.

Widespread false claims of abuse are taking away resources from true victims. The Violence Against Women Act is in dire need of reform.

Real Life Example of VAWA Based Immigration Fraud

Elena came to the US in November 2005 from Russia on a fiancé visa. Shortly afterwards, she married her American fiancé, David. David believed he had a happy marriage and a loving wife. Elena received her Conditional Green Card in August 2005, and the marriage began to deteriorate. Elena began to complain about anything and everything. She began to sleep in her daughter’s bedroom. At times, it seemed as though Elena was trying to provoke David into a physical confrontation. After fifteen months of marriage, David decided he could not continue living that way. Since Elena had often said she wanted to go back home to Russia, David suggested that maybe it was time. Elena was outraged, and told David he would be sorry. The next day, David was served with a domestic protection order. Elena accused him of beating her, stalking her, and threatening to kill her. David was evicted from his home for the next 9 days. In court, the judge dismissed the DPO due to insufficient evidence. Fifteen months later, David was back in court for the divorce. Once again, Elena made the same allegations of abuse. Elena was unable to produce any evidence of abuse. She had no record of 911 calls, no police reports, no emergency room visits, no unexplained injuries, no witness testimony attesting to abuse, or any other evidence of abuse. Once again, the judge dismissed all allegations of abuse. The divorce was granted to David based on mutual and voluntary separation. Prior to the divorce, Elena filed an I-360 Self Petition with the USCIS. Despite being unable to produce any evidence of abuse, Elena received her Permanent Green Card. David was never contacted by the USCIS for his side of the story, and he was ignored when he reached out to them. Elena not only received her Green Card, but she received free legal assistance for the divorce, she received free legal assistance for filing the I-360, she received assistance and subsidies from the local woman’s shelter, and she received court ordered alimony. David will be paying the $55,000 financial havoc that the false allegations of abuse cost him for years to come.

Voice of American Immigration Fraud Victims

Voice of American Immigration Fraud Victims is group of American men and women who have been victimized by foreign spouses who have use of false allegations of abuse to circumvent the American immigration system. We are in favor of stopping domestic violence, and we are in favor of legal immigration. In fact, some of are members ARE immigrants.

Our purpose is to inform lawmakers how VAWA is used to deny an American man or woman his or her most fundamental due process protections when an allegation of abuse is made.

For more information, visit: www.immigrationfraudvictims.com .

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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 05:05 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Perhaps Strauss-Kahn was unaware that the NYPD had toughened up its approach to rape since last December.


That implies a presumption of guilt old girl. A fair trial is out of the question if such an attitude is prevalent. It's a dirty, sneaky smear in the service of putting an important man behind bars for years and potentially misusing large amounts of taxpayer's money. Which seems to me far worse that the worst allegations against DSK. I daresay most of the female jail population would perform a blow job on a donkey to remit the sort of sentence applicable in this case.

"The riot squad are restless, they need somewhere to go."

Bob Dylan. Desolation Row.

After that remark ff you are completely exposed. You're on a Salem type witch-hunt. You spoke of children. Read about the young girls at Salem. And "perhaps" is you having it both ways. Would you like me to do some perhapsing in your case?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 05:11 am
@firefly,
Quote:
groping them, propositioning them, appearing in the nude in front of them, chasing them around?


Monte Python did a sketch with an elderly ladies' knitting circle conversation along those lines. The "ladies" knitted faster and faster as the images they conjured up mounted, if you will forgive the expression, to a climax.
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