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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 09:02 am
@High Seas,
Lance Armstrong stands accused by three members of the US Postal team of what I think is illegal. Whether it is or not it is considered cheating. No wonder all those titles were won. It was a cheat. According to the three male accusers who have signed their names to the allegation. Armstrong had a leg up from the pharmaceutical industry and some tip offs about testing dates. I have no idea myself. I'm just watching the news and the juxtaposed stories.

Two high profile cases. The accused is a Big Chief white Anglo-Saxon in the one with an anonymous cleaning wench as the accuser. In the other the accused is a Big Time American sporting hero and the accusers are also pretty heroic and have left their names.

The sex encounter, even if only alleged, sure does have some magical power. The dignity of the feminine has precedence over the dignity of US sporting prowess.



firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 10:33 am
@spendius,
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The sex encounter, even if only alleged, sure does have some magical power. The dignity of the feminine has precedence over the dignity of US sporting prowess.

What has "magical power" is the fact that a very prominent, internationally influential, very wealthy, man was arrested and was treated just like every other criminal arrested in NYC--sort of "Oh, how the mighty have fallen". The fact that it was a sexual assault just adds sensationalism to the media tale.
Sporting prowess is not in a league with international power or political intrigue when it comes to making headlines.

Strauss-Kahn would have hit the front pages if he had been arrested for a driving while intoxicated/leaving the scene of an accident charge, had he been driving drunk, hit a parked car, and kept on going --he would have been put in handcuffs for that too, and photographed doing the "perp walk". That's how we treat people, all people, arrested for crimes in the U.S., even international big shots. That this horrifies the French, is their problem. They like to shield their political figures, we don't.

That someone who is arrested has a presumption of innocence doesn't mean you have to protect the public from the reality that the accused was placed in handcuffs. Obviously, someone arrested for a crime, is going to be regarded, and treated, as a criminal by law enforcement, because they believe that person has violated the law, and that's true the world over, including in France. Showing the person in handcuffs, simply verifies the fact that the person has been arrested and is in state custody--it's not being kept secret. Guilt still has to be proved in a court of law, and that's where the presumption of innocence comes in--but, when an arrest is first made, the police obviously do it on the basis of presumed guilt.

And had Strauss-Kahn been arrested for any crime in NYC, not just a sex related crime, he would have hit the front pages. Lance Armstrong, accused of wrong doing, would still be relegated to the sports section of the paper.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:06 am
While Hawkeye pontificates on how the still employed hotel maid will make out like a bandit, if she ever qualifies for the relative pittance which is NYS unemployment insurance, Strauss-Kahn picks up a quarter of a million dollars just for resigning his position at the I.M.F.--even if he is guilty.
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Strauss-Kahn severance revisits CEO pay dilemma
Fri, May 20 2011
By Tom Hals and Dena Aubin

WILMINGTON, Del./NEW YORK (Reuters) - The IMF now faces a challenge that keeps members of corporate compensation committees up at night: explaining why they may have to pay a handsome severance package to an indicted executive.

Companies have worked hard in recent years to avoid such a situation by rewriting employment agreements to deny a "golden parachute" to disgraced executives.

Former International Monetary Fund managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn, facing charges of attempted rape in New York, resigned his post from the global lender on Wednesday.

Strauss-Kahn's contract entitles him to a one-time severance payment of $250,000, the IMF said on Friday.

Strauss-Kahn has denied the charges and vowed to prove his innocence.

"Assuming he's guilty, this would be every company's nightmare -- to pay severance to someone who's a felon," said Alan Johnson, managing director of compensation consulting firm Johnson Associates.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/20/us-strausskahn-ceopay-idUSTRE74J70A20110520

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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:26 am
@firefly,
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That's how we treat people, all people, arrested for crimes in the U.S., even international big shots. That this horrifies the French, is their problem. They like to shield their political figures, we don't.


Firefly, that is simply a monstrous lie. You know it is!

You know what's so sad. You probably wrote that with a completely straight face. You know what else is so sad. None of your compatriots, not even any of those who frequently oppose your positions on these pages will make any remark regarding this magnificent fiction.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:28 am
@firefly,
Wait a minute ff. The evidence for those driving offences would be obvious. The only evidence I have seen in this case is an accusation. Even the maid's lawyer said on TV that it was her word against his. The man was humiliated on that woman's say-so. You would need more than somebody's say-so for the offences you list which you have DSK having done. It ought to horrify all the men in the USA. If it was the chairman of some large American public institution the French would have giggled.

When I first came on A2K blatham was posting about a university teacher being ruined by an unsupported allegation of light-touch molestation.

But why did the police presume guilt? And the Armstrong story was at the top of the CBS News programme. It is a lot more than a sport section story and you know it. Does "sport section" equate to "pitiful men's things"?
Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:39 am
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Trial by media……the disgraceful treatment of Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Sunday, May 22, 2011

Life can be a real bitch sometimes. One moment you’re sitting in the first class cabin of an Air France aircraft, sipping a glass of champagne and waiting for your flight to leave New York for Paris; the next you’re being escorted off the plane and find yourself facing rape charges which carry a possible maximum prison sentence of 25 years. Who said the world of international finance was dull?

Whatever views you may hold concerning Dominique Strauss-Kahn (DSK), the now former head of the International Monetary Fund, it would be difficult to deny that he has been treated appallingly by the American legal system. Whatever the eventual outcome of his case, his life has been ruined and his reputation destroyed. The good work he may have done for the IMF will be eclipsed for ever by the image of him sitting unshaven in a New York courtroom listening to his first bail application being turned down. Are there always TV cameras in that courtroom or was this all arranged for the benefit of DSK?

The assumption of innocence until proven guilty is rendered nonsensical when the media are allowed to influence public opinion. Obviously it was newsworthy for the head of the IMF to be escorted off an aircraft ten minutes before take off and I imagine the newspaper editors were drooling with delight when they heard the reason. After all, DSK has a bit of form when it comes to extra marital hanky panky. But, in mitigation, he’s French and that’s what French politicians are known for. In fact, the French voter would be highly suspicious of any politician who hadn’t had at least two mistresses and a clutch of love children. But there’s a big difference between screwing an attractive young IMF staffer and jumping on a chamber maid in your New York hotel room and raping her. Either DSK has completely lost his marbles or this is a well orchestrated frame up.

My first reaction on hearing of the allegations was to dismiss them as a complete fabrication. Why would DSK, a man of huge political influence and profile, suddenly feel overwhelmed with lust at around midday when the hotel’s housekeeping service visited his room? We know little of the allegedly raped housekeeper other than she is a 32 year old single mother from Guinea in Africa. Maybe she is so stunningly beautiful that it was hard for DSK to resist the temptation. Speaking from personal experience, I have yet to be overwhelmed with lust for any hotel housekeeping staff but I probably don’t stay at the sort of hotels frequented by DSK. And, anyway, I’m not French and can control my desires. The fact is that DSK could have afforded the best looking hooker in NYC if he had wanted to and avoided all this hassle. He must have known that which is why I find it very difficult to believe that this is anything other than a set up. After all, DSK would have made many enemies as head of the IMF and who is to say that the Greeks or the Portuguese or some other bankrupt nation forced into austerity measures aren’t behind this?

And which is the most indebted nation in the world and one in denial at that?…..you got it, the Americans. They would have every reason to frame DSK and replace him with someone more inclined to turn a blind eye to the crippling American debt situation. How’s that for a conspiracy theory?

All of which would explain why DSK was held in the high security Rikers Island prison with all sorts of low lifes. And why he was denied the opportunity to shave and smarten himself up for his first court appearance last Monday. And why the media have helped this whole charade along by gleefully showing footage of a man who has been publicly disgraced and humiliated without a single charge being proved?

When DSK was escorted from the aircraft he asked the Port Authority police officers “what is this about?” He had also phoned the hotel where he had been staying to ask if they had found his mislaid cell phone. It turns out they had and so he asked them to please deliver it to JFK airport. These are hardly the actions of a man looking to make a quick getaway from the scene of a rape crime.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s political ambitions now lie in tatters and the cost of defending himself against these charges may not bankrupt him but they will certainly hit him hard. In addition, the stress of defending the charge and the fact that all the accusations, whether true or not, appear in the world’s press will almost certainly have a detrimental effect on his health. If he is found guilty of these charges in the future then all of this is deserved and we should feel no sympathy. But, if we hold the view that a man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law then we should abhor what is going on. This is nothing but trial by media and even if DSK does manage to clear his name the damage has already been done. This would be bad enough if it was happening in Russia (where show trials against Putin’s enemies are popular) but the fact that it is happening in the US should disgust us all.
http://www.newstime.co.za/column/DavidBullard/Trial_by_media%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6the_disgraceful_treatment_of_Dominique_Strauss-Kahn/9/3458/


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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:44 am
@spendius,
Not even Spendius.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:54 am
@JTT,
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Firefly, that is simply a monstrous lie. You know it is!

What part of it is a lie?

That that is how we treat all people who are arrested in the U.S.?

Or that the French like to shield their political figures from such accusations?

Here's a similar view from Australia...
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No place for class divide in justice
Miranda Devine
Sunday Herald
Sun May 22, 2011

THERE was something so refreshingly egalitarian about the arrest of International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn at New York's JFK Airport last week.
The famous French socialist was luxuriating in a first-class seat in Air France's L'Espace Premier cabin, glass of Billecart-Salmon Brut Vintage in hand, soft lights, piped music, flight attendants fluttering around and Michelin-starred menus.

Then in stomped New York's finest and hauled him off the plane.

France was outraged and sophisticated intellectuals the world over condemned the barbaric US justice system that considers the welfare of a poor immigrant hotel maid more important than the dignity of an entitled French banker.

It seems immaterial to Strauss-Khan's instant defenders that the haughty, jetsetting bureaucrat has been accused of a despicable crime - attempting to rape the 32-year-old maid who came to clean his $3000-a-night penthouse suite at New York's swanky Sofitel.

He sexually assaulted her and tried to rape her, prosecutors allege.

Unable to remove her pantyhose, he forced her to perform oral sex.

Strauss-Khan's lawyers claimed the maid consented to these indignities, as the 62-year-old financier was released on bail into home detention in a rented Manhattan apartment.

But like the Roman Polanski under-age rape case, Strauss-Khan's arrest has been just another opportunity to sneer at the US's puritanism.

Again we see the world split - between narcissistic Left-wing elites who believe justice is flexible and people like them should be able to do whatever they like, and the rest of us, who believe in equality under the law and that vulnerable people should be protected.

There is Strauss-Khan, the wealthy, thrice-married womaniser expected to run as the Socialist candidate for the French presidency next year. And there is the alleged victim, a devout Muslim who lives in an insalubrious flat in the Bronx and works to support a teenage daughter with whom she escaped Guinea and the kind of violence she allegedly met in the room she was trying to clean.

According to her lawyer, she is a "very proper, dignified young woman". Her neighbours described her as modest and quiet.

Strauss-Khan, aka DSK, is one of those silver-tongued Billecart-Salmon socialists who talks theoretically about the gap between rich and poor while living off our tax dollars - yes, our dollars.

The IMF is funded to the tune of $750 billion from developed countries such as Australia, which pours in tens of billions of dollars each year.

FRENCH intellectuals such as Bernard-Henri Levy are screaming blue murder about the "disgraceful" treatment of the (former) IMF president.

Levy is angry with the US judge "who ... pretended to take (DSK) for a subject of justice like any other".

Even on our ABC, discussion of the Strauss-Kahn case trivialised the plight of the victim.

ABC 702 radio host Deb Cameron equated Strauss-Kahn to Arnold Schwarzenegger -- men whose careers have been "undone by infidelity", as if the IMF chief was just accused of having nookie on the side.

DSK is innocent until proven guilty but in France, where it appears his behaviour has long been tolerated, other victims came forward last week to describe the powerful banker as sex-crazed.

Journalist Tristane Banon has reportedly hired a lawyer over an alleged sexual assault by DSK when she was 22.

"We fought on the floor, it was not just a couple of slaps. I kicked him. He tried to undo my bra, he also tried to open my jeans. When we were fighting, I said the word rape to him to frighten him, but it didn't seem to frighten him at all. Later, he wouldn't stop texting me, saying, 'Are you scared of me?'," she said.

She said all that four years ago on a French talk show and no one batted an eyelid.

The New York Times reports that a culture of predatory behaviour against women existed at the IMF under Strauss-Khan.

Women were apparently so intimidated by his aggressive sexual advances that they did not wear skirts and made sure never to be caught alone with him.

One woman left the IMF with a generous payout after complaining of being pressured to sleep with him.

But to American financial commentator Ben Stein, it is inconceivable that a banker as eminent as DSK could be guilty of a crime.

On the other hand, many hotel maids "are complete lunatics, stealing airline tickets, stealing money, throwing away important papers, stealing medication ... This is a case about the hatred of the have-nots for the haves and that's what it's all about".

No, this case is about the fact that just because people talk about liberty, equality and fraternity, it doesn't mean they mean it.

In fact those who lecture most about the evils of capitalism and the need to reduce consumption and slow progress are like the pervert moralisers of old - the last people to listen to.

This is the beauty of the US and Australia, the most successful immigrant nations. No matter how powerful and important, no one is above the law.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/no-place-for-class-divide-in-justice/story-e6frfhqf-1226060335324

JTT
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 12:09 pm
@firefly,
Nice attempt to parse words. You know that the all manner of crime was committed by the Reagan administration and there was no perp walk for any of them.

It wasn't even allowed to get to the point where Nixon would be charged with his crimes before he was shielded both by the rule of law government and the press.

During Reagan's time the press only redoubled their efforts to avoid another Watergate.

I don't doubt at all that the French go to great lengths to hide the crimes of their politicians, the UK too, but for you to hold out the US as some group of saints is really beyond the pale.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 12:30 pm
@spendius,
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The only evidence I have seen in this case is an accusation.

In a crime of this nature, which occurs outside the view of any witnesses, the police have to go by the accusation of the person who claims they were harmed, if that assertion appears credible to them.

Suppose the claimant is a child, who asserts they were sexually molested by a stranger in the bathroom at a park, and picks the person out of a line-up, should the child automatically be regarded as non-credible, if the person so identified turns out to be prominent?

If the accusation appears credible, and at minimum that requires the two people being in the same place at the same time, which was the case in the Strauss-Kahn incident, there is no reason not to make an arrest, particularly to preserve forensic evidence on the body of the accused, which the NYPD said was the case with DSK, and, if the forensic evidence from both parties corroborates the accusation, there is no reason not to file formal charges. The rest becomes a matter to be settled in a courtroom at trial, and the burden of proof is on the state--that's where you get to see and hear the evidence. And our courtrooms are open to anyone in the public who wants to go and sit in them.
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If it was the chairman of some large American public institution the French would have giggled.

They might have. But this Frenchman is accused of violating serious laws in NYC--where they do not giggle about such matters, and where they don't care about his social position or status.
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Does "sport section" equate to "pitiful men's things"?

No, but that's where my local newspaper put the story--DSK, on the other hand, made the front page. What Lance Armstrong does for a living doesn't matter as much as what influential world bankers do, in the grand scheme of things.



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 12:52 pm
@firefly,
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They might have. But this Frenchman is accused of violating serious laws in NYC--where they do not giggle about such matters, and where they don't care about his social position or status.
that is an amazingly blind assertion about a country that, more than any other, lets the corporate class walk away with everything that they can carry. It is only when these people violate some cherished racial or sexual morality that we "treat them like everybody else".

I'd much rather you took 1/10 of your moral outrage currently reserved for those who offended your sexual morality and channeled it towards dealing with the economic criminals, or fixing the corrupt government .....we might then actually get something done. Right now all of the histrionics devoted to individual morality while our democracy dies and the people are increasingly oppressed by the government looks like a form a mental illness.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 12:54 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
It wasn't even allowed to get to the point where Nixon would be charged with his crimes before he was shielded both by the rule of law government and the press.

Nixon helped to shield himself by resigning. But, others in the Nixon administration, were not shielded. John Mitchell, did a perp walk and was the only US Attorney General ever to be convicted of illegal activities.

The French do have privacy laws that help to stifle the sort of aggressive investivative reporting of politician's sex lives that we see in the U.S..It was the "lowly" National Enquirer that broke, and documented, the story about John Edwards' affair, and his love child, that finished his political career--a story the mainstream media seemed to ignore until a tabloid's investigative reporting forced them into confronting it. That such things matter more in the U.S. than they do in France, simply reflects differences in cultural attitudes. Our politicians aren't saints, and our media continually points that out to the public

firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 01:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
that is an amazingly blind assertion about a country that, more than any other, lets the corporate class walk away with everything that they can carry. It is only when these people violate some cherished racial or sexual morality that we "treat them like everybody else".

Jeffrey Skilling, former president of Enron is serving a 24-year, four-month prison sentence, for multiple felonies, at the Federal Correctional Institution in Englewood, Colorado--his crimes have absolutely nothing to do with "racial or sexual morality", and he's being treated like everyone else.
Bernie Madoff is doing 150 years in a Federal pen, without a whiff of sexual scandal related to his crimes.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 01:11 pm
@firefly,
Again, nice parsing, FF. Why would you have cherry picked the Nixon quote? Why not try to do a little wider investigation like the ones that you are famous for?

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 01:13 pm
We have several reports that the French are doing some soul searching about how they deal with such matters as the known behavior of DSK (a notorious skirt chasher with a few women claiming that he went too far with them), and that Americans are here on A2K doing the same thing re how we treat charges of what most call sexual assault.......it would be interesting to know if this reevaluation is happening in the wider American conversation.

Has anyone heard of such?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 02:09 pm
@firefly,
Blimey ff!! That Miranda is sure indignant about not being rich or powerful.

She misses the point. And everything she quotes is hearsay.

A reputation was burned at the stake in that first hearing. A sacrifice in worship of the Divinity of the Feminine and Miranda is drooling. A gamma female's word taken over that of an alpha male. What's a beta female's word worth?

The ritual of placing a garland of leaves impregnated with sulphur on the stake victim's head has its modern counterpart in the drivel about DKS being placed on suicide watch as if that has anything to do with him. I don't think there's the remotest possibility of DKS being suicidal. It was a refinement of the torture of his reputation. Sadistically effected. The only way for a female to rape a male. To say he's a coward as well.

And she is reported as having said things to him which display to me signs of having been rehearsed beforehand rather than signs of fear or panic.

And pantyhose!! I ask you. That's enough to put a docker off never mind an experienced and sophisticated European finance theologian. A black immigrant, skint, and in pantyhose and even then he can't get them off. And presumably couldn't force her to. And him on his way to Paris. Which used to be called Leuctia or something meaning where the ladies with soft white thighs lived. Surely he wouldn't wished to have been recently washed out when arriving there. And she would certainly have wished to be the centre of such a money-go-round. It doesn't make any sense to me unless he is mad. In which case a mental institution was the proper place to send him.

I don't think the French necessarily shield anybody when there is more evidence than an accusation. J'Accuse.

I think the strict bail conditions were to save the lady judge's face. To partially justify, though they never can, the disgraceful performance at that first hearing. Even DSK's counsel was humiliated. Anybody who thinks that performance wasn't disgraceful has not got justice on their mind.

What was she doing entering the room when it was occupied by a hotel guest? Can cleaning skivvies in America just walk into any hotel room they please at any time. Did she know who was in the room?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 02:14 pm
@spendius,
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The ritual of placing a garland of leaves impregnated with sulphur on the stake victim's head has its modern counterpart in the drivel about DKS being placed on suicide watch as if that has anything to do with him. I don't think there's the remotest possibility of DKS being suicidal. It was a refinement of the torture of his reputation. Sadistically effected. The only way for a female to rape a male. To say he's a coward as well
Amen.

Firefly also does this by assuming that DSK is full of it when he states that he wants to clear his name (which under the terms of American sex law means proving that he is innocent), stating that he will pay off the alleged victim in the attempt to make the criminal charges go away. This is as unlikely as is that the thought ever crossed DSK's mind to kill himself.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 02:18 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
In a crime of this nature, which occurs outside the view of any witnesses, the police have to go by the accusation of the person who claims they were harmed, if that assertion appears credible to them.


Yeah--and you can see from the performance how much they might wish for the assertion to be credible. It bordered on a feeding frenzy.

And we don't have "bathrooms" on our parks. We have toilets. Or bogs.

You're floundering ff. Can't you make the real case? With "bathroom" I don't really suppose so.

This accuser is no child. What are you bringing children into this for?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 03:07 pm
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Yes, the French deserve to be mocked. Every day, it becomes ever more clear that the French -- particularly the French socialists who counted DSK as their leader -- turned a blind eye to the man's ever more risky and appalling behavior.
Yes, the French left's attempt to turn this into a story of "American Puritanism" run amok is beyond absurd. DSK was arrested after fleeing his Times Square hotel, not a
megachurch in Alabama. And, last I checked, the NYPD Special Victims Unit was not a hotbed of Amish and Mennonites.
But America is hardly so righteous. As blogger Will Collier notes, if you replaced "socialist" with "Democrat" in many of these stories, and "Dominique Strauss-Kahn" with "Ted Kennedy," the results would be pretty illuminating.
After Chappaquiddick, the liberal establishment did its best to cover up a potential homicide by the "liberal lion." It offered something close to a Gallic shrug when Sens. Kennedy and Chris Dodd made a "waitress sandwich" out of an unsuspecting restaurant server. And as Christopher Hitchens recalls in Slate, Teddy's priapic brother John was such a "seducer" he imported "a Mafia gun-moll into the White House sleeping quarters."
If memory serves, Bill Clinton had to deal with a large number of "bimbo eruptions," as one of his aides put it. He was accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment. The same feminists who once insisted that women never make such things up were suddenly calling the president's accusers liars or by simply abandoning the very standards they had established.
Gloria Steinem took to the pages of The New York Times to establish what has become known as the "one free grope" rule. Susan Faludi, author of the feminist bible "Backlash," suddenly took a more laissez-faire attitude toward sexual aggression, requiring "nuanced" responses "in scale to the offense." A reporter for Time magazine insisted she'd be happy to pleasure the president just for keeping abortion legal.
So yes, the French should be ashamed. But they're not the only ones.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/are_we_much_better_than_the_french_rzBod4HzGVFa3nVa6KZwYK#ixzz1N1UHoBnD


I certainly dont agree with heavy handed state sanctions against sexual misadventures, this for instance was not an alleged crime worthy of one of the largest bail demands ever seen in America, but the point that we nail the individuals who we want to nail and let the rest go is right on. We dont believe in justice after all of our claims to the contrary.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 03:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your great poet wrote--

Quote:
The hysterical bride in the penny arcade
Screaming she moans, “I’ve just been made”
Then sends out for the doctor who pulls down the shade
Says, “My advice is to not let the boys in”

Now the medicine man comes and he shuffles inside
He walks with a swagger and he says to the bride
“Stop all this weeping, swallow your pride
You will not die, it’s not poison”


And he wrote John Brown--

Quote:
Oh his face was all shot up and his hand was all blown off
And he wore a metal brace around his waist
He whispered kind of slow, in a voice she did not know
While she couldn’t even recognize his face!

Oh! Lord! Not even recognize his face.


And there are thousands of John Browns.
 

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