Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@firefly,

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So, do you think she is telling the truth, BillRM?

I think that her story that I know of made no sense for the reasons given and therefore arresting the man and ruining his life without far more investigation is a great injustice.

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@hawkeye10,

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In this thread I was under the impression that you have problems with the story this woman tells, but I have not heard you say that you have made up your mind that she is lying. I know that I have not.

My problem is the crazy rush to judgment with little more at the time then her word along with the false impression that he was madly running to the airport to get away.

The police had done their best to destroy this man who is suppose to be innocent until proven guilty.

If they can do this to such a man as DSK we all are at similar or frankly greater risk no matter how innocent we might be.

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@BillRM,

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My problem is the crazy rush to judgment with little more at the time then her word along with the false impression that he was madly running to the airport to get away.

We are supposed to feel sorry for this woman before we even establish what happened.....check

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The police had done their best to destroy this man who is suppose to be innocent until proven guilty.

Actually the entire "justice" system had been working on that....but check.

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If they can do this to such a man as DSK we all are at similar or frankly greater risk no matter how innocent we might be.

Unless you have a few million dollars to throw at establishing your innocence you should be afraid, very afraid. That was the intent of the laws in my opinion, using fear to keep men in line. The feminists are not much concerned with the ill effects of beating down men. ...check.

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@hawkeye10,

Oh hawkeye one of the things that Firefly had repeated on this thread is that the government is just treating him like anyone else and that is the problem.

This man had his life turn upside down with what look like damn little evidence and that mean you and I could have 0ur life turn upside down in the same way if we was unlucky enough to run into the wrong woman at the wrong time.

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@hawkeye10,

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Unless you have a few million dollars to throw at establishing your innocence you should be afraid, very afra

DSK had the power and the money to throw at establishing his innocent and so far this man who is suppose to be innocent until proven guilty had lost his position as head of the IMF and his chance to be president of France.

He had been shame in front of the world with an completely unneeded perp walk and according to the government was driven down far enough that suicide was a real risk.

The conditions that the court had order him to maintain for his freedom is so expensed that it might just by itself drain him of resources over time.

If he is proven innocent tomorrow and all charges are drop it is beyond anyone power already to made him whole.

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@BillRM,

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I think that her story that I know of made no sense for the reasons given

If her story made no sense, then you are saying it was not truthful.

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therefore arresting the man and ruining his life without far more investigation is a great injustice.

If, according to you, her story made no sense, why should they have bothered to do "far more investigation"? Why investigate a complaint that makes no sense?

Somehow, I think detectives in the NYPD Special Victims Unit, who are extremely experienced in interviewing those making sexual assault complaints, and have a fairly good idea which accounts seem credible, and which don't, are in a much better position than you are to judge whether her story "made sense"--and they concluded it did. And they were also able to note her appearance, her demeanor, and her emotional state, and to note whether her body showed any signs of injury. And they likely heard her account in much greater detail than you have been privileged to read. You know only the bare bones description laid out in the criminal complaint--she no doubt told them a great deal more. She told them enough to convince them to arrest this man--and to arrest him quickly, before he left the country.

This man may have ruined his own life. The same way the former President of Israel ruined his.

He'll get a fair trial--his defense team will insure that. They don't care if he's guilty or not, they will do everything in their power to attack the evidence and the prosecution's witnesses and raise reasonable doubt. And, even if the hotel maid is telling the truth, Strauss-Kahn may still get off--that's what really good defense lawyers can do for a defendant.

I think they had adequate reason to arrest him and charge him. And, by the time this went to the grand jury, they already had some forensic evidence to present along with the hotel maid's testimony. But they still have to prove their case in court.

The trial will be interesting.

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@BillRM,

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This man had his life turn upside down with what look like damn little evidence and that mean you and I could have 0ur life turn upside down in the same way if we was unlucky enough to run into the wrong woman at the wrong time.

You can bet your bottom dollar that none of those women will be after you two gents for your brains.

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@JTT,

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You can bet your bottom dollar that none of those women will be after you two gents for your brains.

My wife went after me for my looks as she had the brain and the PhD in the family.

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@JTT,

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This man had his life turn upside down with what look like damn little evidence and that mean you and I could have 0ur life turn upside down in the same way if we was unlucky enough to run into the wrong woman at the wrong time.

You can bet your bottom dollar that none of those women will be after you two gents for your brains.

you sound like a woman....as a man I don't care why women want me so long as I find something that works. Your attempt as insult is a fail.

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@firefly,

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If her story made no sense, then you are saying it was not truthful.

I said just what I had said her story as it had been released made no sense to me and I can not see how it support an arrest.

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experienced in interviewing those making sexual assault complaints, and have a fairly good idea which accounts seem credible, and which don't, are in a much better position than you are to judge whether her story "made sense"--and they concluded it did. And they were also able to note her appearance, her demeanor, and her emotional state, and to note whether her body showed any signs of injury.

We can only go at what is in the public domain.

Given that these experts had released what we now know as false information concerning DSK actions that day my faith in them is not high.

Second it would seem that we do not need a jury as the expert opinion of these police officers should not be question in your opinion Firefly.

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This man may have ruined his own life.

And the man is suppose to be innocent until proven guilty by a jury and not punish before that point even if he happen to be a male charge with an assault by a woman.

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I think they had adequate reason to arrest him and charge him. And, by the time this went to the grand jury, they already had some forensic evidence to present along with the hotel maid's testimony. But they still have to prove their case in court.

And I do not think what is in the public domain is enough for an arrest and as the old saying go a grand jury will bring a true bill again a ham sandwich if the DA ask for it.

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But they still have to prove their case in court.

Prove or not prove the charges his life is ruin already thank to this rush to judgment and such charming habits as doing perp walks in front of cameras.

Hell if he is proven not guilty and completely innocent beyond question and all charges are drop at once he still is no longer the head of the IMF and his picture in handcuffs are forever on the net.

Oh I know Firefly you only care about the emotional harm done to women but if he is innocent having himself grab off a plane and thrown in a small cell and label worldwide as a rapist is more then compare to the emotional harm of a woman being rape at least in my male opinion.

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@firefly,

One other comment if the maid is found to had brought false charges and by doing so harm an innocent man to the degree that DSK had been harm here her punishment is likely to none or at worst a slap on the wrist.

And from your other postings Firefly on this system you had seen no problem in having this level of punishment for such misdeeds.

After all the emotional and other harm done to a man is not as important compare to a woman.

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Bill, did you get a load of the bail conditions? I am thinking of the order that he can not have more than 4 non family members at any time, and that all visitors will be logged and reported. Looks to me like the state wants to make sure that he is not having too much fun. I has nothing to do with keeping people safe, or keeping him from running away, our system just cant resist gratuitous retribution. There was a lot of complaining that Polanski was having a holiday in his chalet ....

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@hawkeye10,

Yes I wonder what the thinking of with a limit of four people and the limit of his apartment only for that matter when he had arm guards/jailors he is paying for and a tracking device on him.

I know he is not the head of the IMF any longer however it might still be useful for the IMF people to have his aid and advice available to them for a time and why should he not be allow to have meetings in local IMF offices for example.

Once more the limits on his movements should not be some form or punishment but just a means to made sure he does not flee.

I know Firefly have a hard time understanding that he is innocents until and if a jury said otherwise so his freedom on movements and actions should be as little limited as possible.

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@JTT,

He built the firm that created the first electronic system to bypass traders on the floor of the NYSE, the start of the NASDAQ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff

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@engineer,

That's not accurate - trading in non-NYSE stocks via "pink sheets" long predates Madoff's automated trading system. His system stopped being profitable when 1/8 quotes were decimalized, and then his broker-dealer business essentially had to make money by (illegal) front-running ahead of customer orders.

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There was a system in operation in Europe in Calvin's time where an accuser had to go to jail with the accused until the case was decided and if the accused was found not guilty the accuser was punished as the accused would have been if found guilty. Rich accusers could hire a substitute. For the jail time--not the punishment.

Such scales of justice as that institution was intended to balance has now tipped so far that it is, to all intents and purposes, vertical. Now the accuser gets a whole load of goodies whatever happens. And the accused is already in a species of ruination and is still an innocent man and has been stood in our version of the pillory.

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@spendius,

Persons deemed to present a flight risk are subject to stricter rules - you can't generalize on the system as a whole. The Polanski precedent didn't help.

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@High Seas,

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That's not accurate - trading in non-NYSE stocks via "pink sheets" long predates Madoff's automated trading system. His system stopped being profitable when 1/8 quotes were decimalized, and then his broker-dealer business essentially had to make money by (illegal) front-running ahead of customer orders.

LOL - one of the witless twits with nothing better to do marked down this post already; maybe twittie can explain electronic trading systems to the thread?!

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@High Seas,

The man in question have 24/7 guards on his dime and a tracking device so why in the hell would he need to be limited mainly to an apartment or to having meetings with four of less persons at a time??????????

How does either restrictions address his risk of flight Polanski or no Polanski precedent????????

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@BillRM,

Bernie Madoff, also deemed a flight risk, faced similar restrictions - I don't find them unreasonable, esp. since more security is needed for crowds. Sorry to say this but I think you and Hawk sound almost as obsessed with the sex accusation as the hysterical posters and their silent sidekicks marking down posts.

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