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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 03:24 pm
@BillRM,
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From 1973 through 2008, nine surveys of women's rape fantasies have been published. They show that about four in 10 women admit having them (31 to 57 percent) with a median frequency of about once a month. Actual prevalence of rape fantasies is probably higher because women may not feel comfortable admitting them.

For the latest report (Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. "The Nature of Women's Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents," Journal of Sex Research (2009) 46:33), psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will?

Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.


If all that is true, as I suspect it is, then DSK should be nominated for Entertainer of the Year.

It's a bit dodgy psychologically though. I would think once started on the ravishment fantasy it would not be intermittent but would get more and more lurid.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 10:38 am
@hawkeye10,
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I dont know Firefly, ..

Quite right--you don't know me, nor do you really know anything about me, and, for that reason, you can't draw any accurate conclusions about me, let alone what my sexual fantasies or preferences might be.

But, what is quite apparent, is that you, and BillRM, and Spendius, are failing to distinguish between personal erotic fantasies, erotic romance literature, violent pornography, and the crime of rape. That you cannot make these meaningful, and very significant, distinctions accounts for the fact that you cannot address any of those topics in a mature, adult, objective manner.

What is also apparent, is that the three of you fail to listen to the views and opinions of women, including the women who posted in this thread or the rape thread. That glaring failure likely accounts for your abysmal ignorance of women and results in your views being almost exclusively ego-centric, or male-centric, which, of necessity, makes them biased and inaccurate. That you cannot communicate meaningfully with women on a forum thread, suggests that your real life ability to communicate meaningfully with actual women in your lives is probably even more dismal.

This thread is about a man, Strauss-Kahn, who has a reputation for treating women badly, whether by harassing them with unwanted aggressive advances, or by a striking inability to control his sexual impulses. Although criminal charges against him in NYC were dropped, the charges were not found to be baseless or untrue, he was not found to be "innocent" of such conduct, and he still faces a civil trial on these matters. In addition, he still faces a criminal complaint for attempted rape in France, and was recently questioned by the police for three hours in that matter.

That the three of you cannot see anything wrong with the pattern of this man's behavior toward women, really reflects your own negative views of women and your own, somewhat warped, view of what constitutes appropriate or acceptable behavior toward them. Fortunately, men like you are in the distinct minority. Most men are capable of enjoying much more fulfilling, and conflict-free, and essentially healthier, relationships with women than you give evidence of, which is why most men posting here almost never support anything you say and leave the three of you mainly talking to each other and leave you mutually supporting each other's rather distorted and bigoted views.

In the end, it is not important how you regard the crime of rape, or the current rape laws. As you fully understand, your views on these matters are quite deviant, and they will have no influence on prevailing laws--laws which are global in their scope. That you appear to have lost your bearings as a man, because the world has moved on to include women as equals, and a political force to be reckoned with, may be regarded by you as some sort of personal tragedy, but it is also inconsequential and meaningless support for the generalized opinions you offer, no matter how many scapegoats and straw-men you offer in support of your plight.

That your main sense of identity at this rather advanced point in your life appears reduced to your sexual impulses and sources of sexual satisfaction is your personal problem, and your railing against "sex laws", and constraints against criminal sexual acting-out, won't convince anyone of anything, except that you are an incessant whiner who looks to blame everyone else, including women, for his own inadequacies and the dissatisfactions in his life. Just as DSK is a "victim" of only his own choices and behaviors, the same is true of you. That you so unthinkingly champion him, may mean you are just as self-destructive as he is, and rationalizing and self pity won't really help either of you. You are both fully responsible for the life circumstances you find yourselves in.





BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 11:32 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Quite right--you don't know me, nor do you really know anything about me, and, for that reason, you can't draw any accurate conclusions about me, let alone what my sexual fantasies or preferences might be.


Is it not strange that none of us have a problem with openly sharing our backgrounds but you wish to keep your secret?

Quote:
are failing to distinguish between personal erotic fantasies, erotic romance literature, violent pornography, and the crime of rape.


An interesting claim when you were attacking me in your very last post for holding the belief that material base on such fantasies should not be illegal.

Beside attacking me by claiming that I must enjoy such fantasies myself in order to feel that way.

Quote:
Most men are capable of enjoying much more fulfilling, and conflict-free, and essentially healthier, relationships with women


An you have such a man or men in your personal life that unlike all of us you are unwilling to talk about?

Quote:
Just as DSK is a "victim" of only his own choices and behaviors, the same is true of you


So we once more had reached the double standard where no past or current behaviors of any kind or any manner by a woman should be consider if she is a victim of rape however that is not the case when a man is charge with rape as even if he is innocent he should not had placed himself in such a situation in the first place or have any alleged past behaviors that you do not approve of toward women.

DSK even if innocent should not had cheated on his wife or have fast sex with a stranger or………..and therefore it is his fault however a woman can get so drunk as to passed out in a crack house and yet it surely is not her fault if she end up being rape.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 11:37 am
@firefly,
Quote:
But, what is quite apparent, is that you, and BillRM, and Spendius, are failing to distinguish between personal erotic fantasies, erotic romance literature, violent pornography, and the crime of rape.


Not me ff. I can distinguish those things from each other. Where there is a difficulty is in distinguishing between the motives of those continually dwelling upon the images these areas of life throw into the spotlight. It is whether there is fascination with these images or genuine concern for the victims of those things.

A great deal of "modern" literature, from Ibsen onwards, and to an extent before Ibsen, is concerned with the victims of romantic literature. All the breast heaving and the female as centre of all operations with all the appropriate attenuation of emotional flouncing. For the victims of rape this case has done no good at all. No prosecuting authority is going to be made a mug of like Vance's team have been by some pretty acting.

And strictly speaking there should be no erotic fantasies.

Where violent pornography is concerned there seems to be a very heavy emphasis on the male as victim.

You seem to be having a diffulty with distinguishing between the reality of those things and talking about them. There are no rapes on here. Nor any torn tights.

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What is also apparent, is that the three of you fail to listen to the views and opinions of women, including the women who posted in this thread or the rape thread.


Are you kidding? The views and opinions of women are insistent and in our faces all day long. Some of our sleep is haunted by them. Men were drowned out years ago. And we three have listened to you all through the debate. I trust you are not saying that we should simply listen and not offer any resistance to what women say. That's Courts of Love stuff from the Dark Ages. The only escape is the monastic life.

I know everything there is to know about women. You build from one self-comforting assertion a pile of them and they are all as incorrect as the original one. I am very sensitive to the needs, indeed the wants as well, of women but I am convinced they should be taken in hand and properly managed for their own good. Given a free hand women would render society into a smoking ruin and in fairly short order. And women are at a distinct disadvantage in smoking ruin conditions. We know that from tales of mass consent, in return for a tin of coffee or a pair of nylons, in occupied France and Germany. Your thesis is based upon the US never having been occupied rather than on the nature of the female animal. A luxurious self indulgence on your part.

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That the three of you cannot see anything wrong with the pattern of this man's behavior toward women,


Don't include me in that. I see plenty wrong with serial adultery.
And I know it takes two to engage in it. You are focussed on allegations of DSK harassing women with unwanted aggressive advances, or by a striking inability to control his sexual impulses as if serial adultery is perfectly respectable if those things are avoided. A position I doubt your mother would take.

I hold no brief for DSK.

My guess is that you really, really enjoyed composing that post. It borders on the lascivious.

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 12:40 pm
@spendius,
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I know everything there is to know about women.

By making that absurd statement, you reveal both your arrogance and your ignorance.

I really can't continue to waste my time with you, or BillRM, or Hawkeye. Every other female around here abandoned all efforts to discuss these issues with the three of you some time ago, and you've driven off most of the male posters as well.

So, continue your rather adolescent attempts at male-bonding with each other. I doubt that you'll be bothered, or interrupted, by too many thinking people.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 01:29 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
I know everything there is to know about women.

By making that absurd statement, you reveal both your arrogance and your ignorance.

I really can't continue to waste my time with you, or BillRM, or Hawkeye. Every other female around here abandoned all efforts to discuss these issues with the three of you some time ago, and you've driven off most of the male posters as well.

So, continue your rather adolescent attempts at male-bonding with each other. I doubt that you'll be bothered, or interrupted, by too many thinking people.
This debate long ago became a rout, which indicates to me that should we ever get a conversation going in the wider society about the proper use of the law in sexual relationship the result would not be the one that the man hating bitch feminists would want......
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 01:35 pm
@firefly,
If you are a thinking person ff then I will be happy not to be bothered or interrupted by any of them.

Your silly and cliched diatribe never even begins to address the points I made. Why wouldn't I know everything there is to know about women? They are an open book aren't they? Tell me what you think I don't know about them.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 03:14 pm
@firefly,
And another thing ff, I have never cast asserted aspersions on your private life. Your descent into such untoward abuse does you no credit at all. What grounds have you for making those remarks.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 03:45 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Your descent into such untoward abuse does you no credit at all. What grounds have you for making those remarks.


Strange is it not that our girlfriend had never had a problem with trying to use the fact that we had been open concerning our own personal lives as a weapon to try to discredit our positions.

She had gotten off in a very public manner on the fact that Hawkeye have stated he had an open marriage and that he and his wife take part in the SM scene.

She judge other people personal lives freely while not being open in any manner concerning her own.

spendius
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:00 pm
@BillRM,
But you must remember Bill that she thinks that all the other women on here agree with her and most of the men as well.

I presume she means those men who are at that stage of rejoicing in the pleasurable ease of being carried along, with their glad and full consent, and with no effort, in the outer regions of the whirlpool, the Maelstrohm, a Norwegian facility, and who hardly notice the acceleration until it is too late and they are sucked into the vortex from which there is no escape.

"The last rasping gasp of the mantis's groom", as Bill Greenwell put it, being the only remaining significant expression to be heard from them.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:19 pm
I been wondering when our maid lawyers will need to begin sinking some real funds/resources into keeping the civil suit alive.

At that point my guess would be that they will fold their tents up and disappear leaving only a trail of tears to mark their going.

Another comment every time the maid show up at the Cancun hotel I was staying at last week I found myself very happy that my wife was also in the room.

One need to wonder how at peace the high rollers are now at in staying at
the Sofitel without a wife or girlfriend along as another male would only increase the size of the target.


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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:20 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
But you must remember Bill that she thinks that all the other women on here agree with her and most of the men as well.


FF has repeatedly claimed to know the minds of those who have not spoken, and what's more she knows that they agree with her! She puts on airs of being an expert in the subject, and she does use the right vocabulary, but once you start to look into her argument you quickly find out that there is no there there.....she takes a lesson from the sham science folks who put up results that look good, and then argue that the results support their assertions....but the scam breaks down if anyone tries to run the experiment, because the results are no where near the claimed results.

FF is a fraud through and through...A2K members should collectively be ashamed that she has been allowed to get away with it for so long.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2011 08:53 pm
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In his first TV interview since charges were dropped, the ex-IMF chief said he regretted the affair had lost him his chance to stand for French president, but denied using violence.

He said he had been afraid and humiliated by the US justice system.

Mr Strauss-Kahn, 62, resigned as IMF chief in May after his arrest.

The maid, Nafissatou Diallo, is bringing a civil suit against him.

The criminal charges were dropped in August when prosecutors said Ms Diallo's lack of credibility meant the case could not continue.

'Missed appointment'

Mr Strauss-Kahn was questioned by Claire Chazal, a friend of his wife Anne Sinclair, on the main Sunday night bulletin of France's TV1 - watched by a huge audience.

"What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an error," he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.

He brought with him a copy of the New York prosecutor's report. "There was neither violence nor coercion nor aggression or any criminal act," he said. "Neither scratches or injuries, no sign of violence. Not my words but the words of the prosecutor."

Since his return to France, a team of lawyers and advisers have been heavily involved in the negotiations for this interview. But scripted or not, there was an apology to the French people and his family.

This was a very astute politician who wanted to present himself as a victim.

In all it was a polished performance from a politician who has had plenty of time to consider the questions he might be asked.

The reaction in the coming days from his party and the public will tell us whether there is sympathy with that position and whether ultimately his rehabilitation is possible.

Strauss-Kahn's 'moment of truth'
"I think it was a moral failing and I am not proud of it," he told Ms Chazal.

He said the incident had caused him to miss his "appointment with the French people", referring to his desire to be a Socialist candidate in France's 2012 presidential elections.

Before his arrest, he had been expected to be a strong contender to challenge President Nicolas Sarkozy.

He said he could "obviously" no longer be a candidate and would play no part in the forthcoming Socialist primaries.

He would now "take time to reflect" on his future, he added.

He said the sexual encounter "did not involve violence, constraint or aggression" and that Ms Diallo had lied, but he had no intention of negotiating with her in her civil case.

But he reserved his harshest words for the US criminal justice system.

"I was afraid, very afraid," he said, "and I was humiliated, trampled before I could even utter a word."

In addition to the New York case, Mr Strauss-Kahn faces an allegation by French author Tristane Banon that he tried to rape her in 2003.

But the former IMF chief said that Ms Banon's accusations were imaginary, adding that there was "no violence". He is suing for defamation.

He was interviewed by French police last week


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14963176

Unusually even handed for the British press....
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Old Goat
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2011 02:47 am
The BBC are only reporting the nuts and bolts of the interview on the French channel TF1, which was not exactly what anyone could describe as "probing" or indepth.

Interestingly, France 24 (a rival news channel) has said that his "people" had had long negotiations with TF1's "people" in the days running up to the interview, and that all of the questions had been agreed and the answers rehearsed well beforehand.

The interviewer also happened to be a very close friend of DSK's wife.

No attempt was made to actually get a blow by blow (excuse the pun) account from him as to how the hotel incident played out from beginning to end.
Some simple questions that any journalist worth their salt would have asked, would surely have included:
"Tell me what exactly happened in the moments running up to the incident....how did it all start?"
"Did the maid give full consent to what happened?"
"Was she a willing participant throughout?"
"Did she at any time express unwillingness to proceed with things?"
"Did she at any time ask you to stop?"

This supposed interview was a sham, IMO. A pure PR exercise.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2011 03:03 am
@Old Goat,
Quote:
This supposed interview was a sham, IMO. A pure PR exercise.
no way, he expressed contrition, which is all the French have the right to demand. He got to flex his economist muscles and he stick the knife in Aubry in retaliation for her being such a gratuitous bitch upon his return...saying that contrary to her assertion they had a pact and that she is in the race as the second stringer.

To the French who feel that DSK needs to tell exactly what happened and cry about it I am sure the DSK response is "suck my dick!" It ain't never going to happen, and dont think this con artist maid is ever going to see a dime out of DSK either. THompson can go **** himself too , which will be more than enough gratification for DSK.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2011 03:23 am
@hawkeye10,
I wish I knew when in such civil suits progression is the point normally reach that the plaintiff lawyers need to placed money and resources on a large scale into it to keep it alive.

I am betting that when that point is reach the maid and her lawyers will disappear as in a bad dream.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2011 03:28 am
@Old Goat,
You won't get anywhere with those two idiots mate. They think DSK should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honour, any reporter who says otherwise is biased.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2011 03:30 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
I am betting that when that point is reach the maid and her lawyers will disappear as in a bad dream
It sure looks like the DSK plan is to do everything he can do to run up Thompson's out of pocket cost...DSK has already filed for and gotten one short delay...this for even answering the court, and I am sure that there will be many more. DSK should be able to stall for at least a year, and make Thompson jump through hoops that cost him money. From the sounds of it if Thompson cries uncle and offers to drop the matter if DSK pays enough settlement so that he can make his costs back the DSK answer will be non .
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2011 08:40 am
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French press unimpressed by Strauss-Kahn interview
By FRANCE 24
19/09/2011

Reactions to ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s Sunday interview were eviscerating, with critics slamming a non-confrontational interview that yielded few details and fewer signs of genuine remorse.
It was a much-awaited TV moment across France. But the day after Dominique Strauss-Kahn gave his first TV interview since his May 14 arrest, the French press was eviscerating in its assessment of the disgraced former IMF chief’s Sunday night performance.

A whopping 12.5 million people across France tuned into the TF1 network Sunday for the 20:00 primetime spot, according to Mediametrie, the French audience measurement company.

The figure was a sharp jump from the 7.5 million viewers of the same show the previous Sunday.

For French viewers exposed to months of a high-profile scandal that saw one of the country’s most respected citizens facing sexual assault charges in a New York court before he finally returned home to Paris a free man two weeks ago, Sunday’s interview was a long-anticipated chance to hear Strauss-Kahn’s account of what happened on May 14 in a New York hotel suite.

“This is the first time this kind of thing has happened in France, this sort of public confession,” said Divina Frau-Meigs, a media specialist at Paris' Sorbonne University, in an interview with FRANCE 24. “But he failed on the confession front, because it was a full denial. We haven’t heard anything of what really happened.”

"A formidable media exercise"

At the end of Sunday’s 20-minute interview, most French viewers said they were no closer to knowing what transpired between Strauss-Kahn and hotel maid Nafissatou Diallo in the Sofitel Manhattan’s suite 2806.

In an editorial in Libération, the French left-leaning daily, editor Vincent Giret blasted what he called Strauss-Kahn’s “formidable media exercise”.

"His contrition was played out Sunday, on the whole, in a minor mode,” wrote Giret, noting that Strauss-Kahn did not succeed in dispelling speculations over what happened on May 14 in the hotel suite. Giret accused Strauss-Kahn of “hiding behind the New York prosecutor’s report” instead of addressing the issue.

Wearing a dark suit and white shirt with a sombre blue tie, Strauss-Kahn frequently brandished Cyrus Vance’s August report asking that criminal charges be dropped since Diallo’s past history of inconsistent testimonies made her an unreliable witness.

Strauss-Kahn did not go into detail about the incident, nor was he asked to. He simply maintained that "what happened involved neither violence nor constraint: no criminal act."

"A strange apology"

During his interview with TF1 anchorwoman Claire Chazal - a friend of his wife - Strauss-Kahn did admit to a “moral failing” in what the daily Le Parisien called “a strange apology”.

“DSK recognises ‘a moral failing,’” read the top Monday morning headline of Le Figaro, the more conservative of France’s two newspapers of record, using the familiar French abbreviation of his name.

The website of the left-leaning Le Monde, on the other hand, ran with the headline, “DSK bids goodbye to the political arena”.

While the English-language press has overwhelmingly focused on Strauss-Kahn’s admission of “a moral failing,” a number of French newspapers have highlighted the issue of the political future of the Socialist politician.

Before his arrest in New York, Strauss-Kahn was expected to be the top contender to challenge President Nicolas Sarkozy in the 2012 presidential election.

“A trap? It’s possible,” says the banner headline of Libération, another left-leaning daily, using a quote from Strauss-Kahn’s Sunday night interview.

Following his arrest and the shock over the very public airing of Strauss-Kahn’s sexual assault charges in the US, questions were raised in some French circles, over whether the latest incident was a plot to derail his political career.

In the introduction to its top news story, Libération asserts that “having acknowledged a moral failing, Dominique Strauss-Kahn recognises that he has missed his ‘appointment with the French people’ but he does not rule out ‘a conspiracy.’”

In his interview, Strauss-Kahn said he could "obviously" no longer be a candidate and would play no part in the forthcoming Socialist primaries. But he left the question of his long term political career open, noting he would now "take time to reflect" on his future.

Media analyst Frau-Meigs was reluctant to call it the end of Strauss-Kahn’s political ambitions. “You can never say somebody won’t survive in politics, especially in France, where politics is very elitist, very classist and it's very hard to debunk men in power.”

‘Scripted responses to scripted questions’

During the 20-minute interview, the social microblogging site Twitter recorded a sharp spike in posts tagged “DSK” with most posts castigating Chazal for a non-combative interview during what was largely viewed as a staged performance.

“He clearly supplied a set of scripted responses to a set of scripted questions,” said Waddick Doyle, head of the global communications department at the American University of Paris, in an interview with FRANCE 24. “I think TF1 wasn’t severe on him. I think if he were in the English-speaking world, he would have has a much more aggressive interview process.”

The choice of Chazal, a friend of Strauss-Kahn’s wife Anne Sinclair, a former journalist who worked for TF1, raised eyebrows across the country and reopened a longstanding French debate on the close ties between French political and media circles.

Before the interview, Diallo’s lawyers had called on Chazal to vigorously interrogate Strauss-Kahn. In a statement following the interview, Thibault de Montbrial, Diallo's French lawyer, said the interview was "a public relations exercise, without any spontaneity, neither in the questions nor the replies - scripted down to each gesture"...
http://www.france24.com/en/20110919-strauss-kahn-interview-french-press-reaction-critics-sexual-assault-charges
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Sep, 2011 08:41 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
They think DSK should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honour, any reporter who says otherwise is biased.


No however an apologize would be nice along with firing the idiots in the state department that did not stop NY from embarrassing the whole nation in front of the world.

Footnote I been thinking of filing a freedom of information request to see what if any communications went back and forth between the state department and NY before the fools drag DSK off the plane.
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