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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 03:48 pm
@firefly,
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He's stuck with the problems of his extremely tarnished image, and the still pending criminal and civil complaints against him, and absolutely nothing you say is going to change that, so I don't know why you keep repeating yourself like a deranged parrot.


Time will change that as the maid lawyers are not going to keep throwing good money after bad and one can hope that in the case of the "reporter" his counter criminal charges will end up biting her in her gold digging rear end.

It would be nice if in at least one country such women do end up paying a price for going for the gold.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 05:32 pm
@BillRM,
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Time will change that as the maid lawyers are not going to keep throwing good money after bad and one can hope that in the case of the "reporter" his counter criminal charges will end up biting her in her gold digging rear end.
DSK is 72 years old, at this point he should be enjoying his golden years...trying to help fix the global economy or trying to lead France during these difficult time would represent DSK doing us a favor.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 06:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
Haekeye he is my age and is a young 62 not 72.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 06:39 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Haekeye he is my age and is a young 62 not 72.
you are right, but my point still stands. We need his talent more than he needs us....
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 31 Aug, 2011 08:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
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We need his talent more than he needs us....


I agree and only an insane society would have interfered with such a key player in the world finance system on the word of a third world maid without first doing a full investigation in the first place.

Tens of millions of people are likely suffering unneeded hardships now and well do so for some time into the future because the best technician to help handed this crisis was taken out of play and then lock up in a cell and later in an apartment.

The EU crisis is still ongoing and as anyone who read the news knows it is effecting our economic and our stock market with hundreds of points swings in a day.

DSK not only got screwed by the maid and a new and bungling prosecutor but a large percent of the Western world also go screw by the actions of the same two.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 05:45 am
@firefly,
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You must be completely out to lunch. DSK admitted a sexual encounter took place. His DNA was all over Diallo's uniform, as well as being found on the floor of the suite.


I might be out to lunch but I asked you for the evidence for those statements and you have not supplied it. Continuing to make the statements is not evidence.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:27 am
@spendius,
Will you define "sexual encounter" firefly?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:50 am
@spendius,
Why don't you define it? Let's see if your definition matches Bill Clinton's
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 07:21 am
@izzythepush,
We seems to getting off the point that there is zero indication that DSK had broken any laws but for the words of a proven liar who also had kept changing her story over time.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 07:26 am
@BillRM,
What about the fact that you were convinced DSK was innocent, and that the maid was a liar right from the word go. Would you be happy to put your teenage daughter in the care of DSK, because I wouldn't?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 07:45 am
@izzythepush,
Many mothers and fathers have placed their teenage daughters in the care of old rich libertines in the hope of boosting the family fortunes. It is one of the themes of the movie Titantic. Many a flighty actress has ended up a Duchess using the method. Or a movie star.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 07:48 am
@spendius,
Well my daughter prefers hard work, which is why she's secured herself a place at a Russell Group University, just down the road in fact.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 08:29 am
@izzythepush,
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What about the fact that you were convinced DSK was innocent, and that the maid was a liar right from the word go. Would you be happy to put your teenage daughter in the care of DSK, because I wouldn't?


I had one hell of question from the word go because of the likelihood that at the age of 62 years a very solid citizen of the world would just had jumped out of a shower of a hotel room register to him and attack some random maid seem small.

Even a low level 20s something rapist with an IQ of 70 would not likely had attacked a strange woman in a hotel room register in his name let alone a genus level finance expert.

For that form of attack he does not fit any profile I had ever hear of.

Oh and that any male would forced his penis into the mouth of a woman who he had no idea of how she would reacted and who he was not placing a knife at her throat or a gun to her head.

Then we had a 62 year old male who does not seem from his pictures to spend a lot of time in a gym could overpower a health woman thirty years younger then him.

As far as a teenage daughter I see no reason because of a proven con woman/proven liar had charge him with such a misdeed to treat with any less concern or any more concern then any other similar person.

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 10:01 am
@BillRM,
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I had one hell of question from the word go because of the likelihood that at the age of 62 years a very solid citizen of the world would just had jumped out of a shower of a hotel room register to him and attack some random maid seem small

Even if it was consensual, which does not seem likely, the image of a naked, aged, married man who suddenly encounters a "random maid" in his suite, who is there to clean, and immediately propositions her, and immediately has sexual contact with her, does not reflect well on him, his impulse control, or his judgment.

The consequences of his own reckless actions were his own fault--particularly given his previously voiced concerns that he might be set up for a sex scandal.

Given such recklessness, poor judgment, and lack of self control, he might well have been a disaster as President of France. Better that these aspects of his character became widely known before he could be elected.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 10:36 am
@BillRM,
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Oh and that any male would forced his penis into the mouth of a woman who he had no idea of how she would reacted and who he was not placing a knife at her throat or a gun to her head.
I dont think that we know this happened.....I was reading one of the court documents awhile back and it sounded to me like the state charged him with what is in effect oral rape because his dick brushed up against her lips, we dont know that it was ever inserted, or even that he tried to do so. What was advertised as attempted rape seems to boil down to him wanting to jack of on her, and faced with his request she complied. THAT is the act the cost a week in jail, losing his job, one of the most strict and expensive to the defendent bail conditions ever imposed, and the threat of a 25 year jail term if convicted.

Even if the maid had been of pristine character the State still massively over reacted.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 10:46 am
@firefly,
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Even if it was consensual, which does not seem likely, the image of a naked, aged, married man who suddenly encounters a "random maid" in his suite, who is there to clean, and immediately propositions her, and immediately has sexual contact with her, does not reflect well on him, his impulse control, or his judgment.

The consequences of his own reckless actions were his own fault--particularly given his previously voiced concerns that he might be set up for a sex scandal.


OK a woman can exercised all the poor judgments she wish to in placing herself in all kind of high risk situations for being sexual assaulted and it is still never never her fault if she end up being attacked. She is just a victim of a crime.

However if a man is a victim of the crime of being falsely accused of such a crime it is his fault for placing himself in a position where he could be falsely accused.

Somehow I also do not see you morally judging a woman who in the course of cheating on her husband became a rape victim either and stating it was her fault and the world is better off it she lost some position of power because of it.

You are the biggest hypocrite Firefly in the known universe with you double standards in this regard.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 10:53 am
@BillRM,
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We seems to getting off the point that there is zero indication that DSK had broken any laws

What you don't understand is that this man's behavior toward women is often reprehensible, even when it stops short of being criminal. You seem to have no regard for how women are treated and you are willing to excuse any behavior that is not downright criminal.
Then you should excuse Diallo also--she was not found guilty of making false accusations against him, despite other lies she might have told. Stop bitching about how men are treated by women since you seem to have little regard for how women are treated by men.

A man who cannot treat women in an appropriate manner does not belong in a position of power where he must work with women, and interact with female representatives of other countries--and DSK had problems with this as head of the IMF and he would likely have had considerable problems as President of France for similar reasons. When women are uncomfortable being alone in a room with him--as many have said they were--the man has significant problems with self control and with his attitude toward women. The reports of his harassing and aggressive and unwanted advances toward women are numerous, and simply because these behaviors might not be criminal, or have as yet resulted in criminal convictions, does not make these behaviors acceptable or tolerable or even defensible--particularly in a man who holds a position of power or public trust.

The latest polls in France show that 53% of the population do not want him to return to politics. Among women that percentage might well be higher. Even without a criminal conviction, what has already been revealed about this man's unacceptable behaviors toward women discredits him in the minds of a great many people in his own country. People can, and should, and do, make their own moral judgments about his actions, and about his reputation, and, even in France, he has crossed the line in the opinion of many--including those who are prominent leaders of his own Socialist party.

And his loss to the IMF is likely to be very minimal. He has no gifts as an economist which are unique to him. He had a reputation as being something of a figurehead at the IMF because he apparently doesn't like to work all that hard, and, for that reason, there was also a concern about how involved he would actually be in any upcoming presidential election, or even with the presidency of France if he had gained it. His wife seems to have been the one pushing him toward the presidency, for her own reasons.

The irony of this entire situation is that DSK's poor behavior toward women has indirectly resulted in having the first female head of the IMF. I suspect that she will take issues of sexual harassment in that organization much more seriously than he did.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 10:57 am
@BillRM,
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However if a man is a victim of the crime of being falsely accused of such a crime

DSK was NOT falsely accused of a crime. The charges against him were not dropped because they were found to be baseless or untrue. He was NOT exonerated.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 10:58 am
@BillRM,
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You are the biggest hypocrite Firefly in the known universe with you double standards in this regard.
She is not a hypocrite if her goal is to prioritize and advantage women over men, as I have long argued is the case.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 11:04 am
@firefly,
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What you don't understand is that this man's behavior toward women is often reprehensible
Ophelia should have slapped him across the face, she chose to not do that which was her choice and is her problem going forwards as she looks at herself in the mirror every morning. However, we the people decided to come after DSK with three felony charges for this jerk behavior, threw him in jail for a week, and the kept him under house arrest for weeks..... it was our behavior which was the major wrong here, which is why I am not very interested in talking about what little DSK did wrong.
 

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