@izzythepush,
In what way izzy? Why is he not clean. I don't suppose many of us are "squeaky clean". There's no question mark hanging over DSK's head that isn't hanging over most men's heads including all the people who took a part in banging him up.
firefly is all over the place. She can't answer the question regarding what constitutes consent from a moral or ethical point of view. All she has is the legal point of view of non-consent, which is to say using force or fraud that she can understand as force or fraud. And she understands that as what she has experienced. Presumably.
And from the legal point of view the guy is clean. All she has, and you as well, are untested allegations you have read in the papers and they were all out to villify him from the start and to try to show that American justice "worked". Which it didn't. It was a disgrace from the point of view of justice. But the larger disgrace is what US Media felt would get its sordid products flying off the stands. Which is psychoanalytical regarding the public. Or, in plain English, what it enjoys drooling and salivating over in its respectable private quarters.
And firefly has not only refused to answer on the consent problem. I have asked her for the evidence that anything sexual took place in that hotel room. I have read this thread and I have seen no evidence that anything sexual took place. Constantly repeating that something sexual did take place is not evidence that it did.
All of which leaves me wondering what firefly's motives are for dwelling on these matters as lingeringly and lovingly as she has. I've just proved that she has no moral, ethical or legal motive.
Has she become obsessed with the first rule of the Dark Ages' Court of Love which is that a woman's word is law. The Femdom mantra. I suppose you know what most psychologists would say regarding firefly's dwelling so lovingly and lingeringly over the images brought forth.
We are dealing with a flat-out, up front, in your face example of the numinous tabernacle of the sanctified pudenda. The "pelvic floor" as Wilhelm Reich styled it. The Matriarchal Prime Symbol. The Belly Vessel.
And the Matriarchy lasted about 2 million years and hadn't got round to a potato peeler in all that time and the Patriarchy took over out of desperation and frustration and in a mere 2000 years we had chaps playing golf on the moon and the women were given "domestic appliances" which the Venus of Willendorf would have consented to have the Russian army **** her one after another to get her greedy mitts on.
You should really consider avoiding The Grauniad. It has obviously warped your vision.
The only real evidence, especially the circumstantial stuff, we have seen leaves DSK as clean as a whistle and its all these filthy minds which the maid had the cunning to perceive were waiting to be exploited which should concern any righteous man who, in the interests of women, seeks to prevent the renaissance of any sight or sound of the ******* Matriarchy. They need saving from themselves the silly moocows. Did you see Ms Holland reporting the mayhem in Libya with half her tits out. Did you see Ms Courich interviewing the parents of a dead soldier whilst side angled shots of her crossing and recrossing her short-skirted, high heeled, sheer stockinged legs were shown? I'll admit they were fetching.
I thought Auberon Waugh was going too far when he said that women go mad after 3o but I'm not so sure I was right to do so.
Did you see Ms Botting's short-legged, fat-bottomed waddle through the charred corpses? Have you read what Ms Crawford's kids have said?
I'm amazed Vance isn't walking around with a bag over his head.
