Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@hawkeye10,

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The error on Accor's part is to knowingly put their employees into situations were they will be raped, that they did not have either a panic button or a buddy system.

So you are admitting that DSK probably tried to rape her.

Believe me, DSK will no longer be welcome at the Sofitel, or probably any other hotel, unless he checks in with his wife.

The entire world now has a mental picture of this overweight, elderly, naked oaf chasing after a hotel maid who had just entered his suite to clean it.

What hotel maid would want to enter another room where he was staying?

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@firefly,

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no longer be welcome at the Sofitel, or probably any other hotel, unless he checks in with his wife.

It might be a slight problem in America given the sway that the radical man hating bitch feminists have, and given the litigious nature of our society, but I dont expect that he we find any problem outside of maybe the UK else where . In any case I dont think that we will see much of him in the future....he is going to be like the French Feminist Elisabeth Badinter who has almost completely refused to come to America for nearly 20 years after the way she was abused during a lecture at Princeton. Once the Europeans get a taste for how uncivil we Americans can be they tend to decide that they dont need to slum it by agreeing to be in America.

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So you are admitting that DSK probably tried to rape her.

No, but given our slap happy legal system she did not need to be abused to sue, she only needs to claim that she was.

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@hawkeye10,

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Once the Europeans get a taste for how uncivil we Americans can be they tend to decide that they dont need to slum it by agreeing to be in America

Fat, naked, elderly men who suddenly chase after a hotel maid who has entered their room to clean it are the ones being "uncivil".

Even in France, that is considered rather creepy behavior, and attempted rape is regarded as a serious crime. And, let's not forget, he has now been formally accused of attempted rape in France.

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In any case I dont think that we will see much of him in the future....

That's good.

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@firefly,

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Fat, naked, elderly men who suddenly chase after a hotel maid who has entered their room to clean it are the ones being "uncivil".

Facts not in evidence, and what was uncivil was charging and making him loose his job and his run at President before checking to see what the facts were, keeping him locked up for a week, the perp walk, not letting him shower and get clean clothes before court, not kicking the case once it became clear that there was no case, and then finally refusing to apologize for all of this uncivil treatment.

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attempted rape is regarded as a serious crime.

How many French people think that he tried to rape her?? I hear complaints about DSK, about what is seen as his lack of control, about his willingness to take risks, and mostly about his living too high on the hog with his wife's money, but I rarely hear anyone in the French press claim to believe that DSK is actually guilty of what he was charged with.

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@hawkeye10,

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I hear complaints about DSK, about what is seen as his lack of control...

Meanwhile, he is being accused of more criminal sexual behaviors than any other public figure you can think of...and his poor judgment and inappropriate behavior toward women is no longer being covered up or glossed over--his "lack of control" is a serious problem for him, and the episode in NYC just made that very clear to many in France.

And the Banon charges, and the Diallo civil suit, will keep reminding people of this man's unsavory side.

Whatever "uncivil" treatment he received at the hands of law enforcement in NYC was his own damned fault. Had he thrown on a towel or bathrobe, apologized profusely to Diallo for the fact he was naked, and told her to come back later to clean his suite, he could have avoided it all. He was treated just like everyone else who is arrested in NYC which was no more nor less than he deserved. And the French just learned a lot about the past behavior of a man who might have become their next President, and many of them may now be breathing a sigh of relief that his baggage filled with scandalous dirty laundry surfaced before it was too late.

Your attempts to try to defend him are touching,

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@firefly,

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Meanwhile, he is being accused of more criminal sexual behaviors than any other public figure you can think of...and his poor judgment and inappropriate behavior toward women is no longer being covered up or glossed over--his "lack of control" is a serious problem for him, and the episode in NYC just made that very clear to many in France.

And the Banon charges, and the Diallo civil suit, will keep reminding people of this man's unsavory side

I dont get the sense that the French think that DSK abuses women, it is that he is a risk taker in general more so than some are comfortable with, and a slice of that is his libertine ways.

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@hawkeye10,

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I dont get the sense that the French think that DSK abuses women...

That may have been true before the NYC episode, but too many other revelations about his past behaviors have now become known, and they do reveal abusive tendencies. He's not just a womanizer, or a libertine, he also treats women badly, and it was that revelation that has really tarnished his image.

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@firefly,

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Fat, naked, elderly men who suddenly chase after a hotel maid who has entered their room to clean it are the ones being "uncivil".

We do not know he was naked and we do not know who offer sex to whom but other then that you are batting a thousand Firefly.

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@firefly,

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He's not just a womanizer, or a libertine, he also treats women badly, and it was that revelation that has really tarnished his image.

That had not been shown at all.

Of course it is likely he does not paid enough for fast sex acts.......

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@BillRM,

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That had not been shown at all.

Firefly completely fails to understand the French...DSK is the butt of jokes about how he leads with his dick, he is not the subject of condemnation for abusing women, because the French for the most part dont think that he abuses women....you get that line out of the tiny cadre of anglicized French Feminists, those nuts who look upon the man hating bitch feminists of America and the UK with mirth, but almost no one in France listens to them.

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Hey Bill, there is a newish book out that parrots many of the points that you and I have been making across multiple threads over the last couple of years

Sex Panic and the Punitive State

http://www.amazon.com/Panic-Punitive-State-Roger-Lancaster/dp/0520262069

I read a bunch of it on the free preview....very interesting, I think I am going to have to get it.

"Lancaster's approach is fresh, critical and engaging. Many scholars have examined America's 'carceral state,' but few so successfully combine personal narrative and passion with sober assessment. This is a landmark book--a dismaying, angry, but powerful analysis of America's justice system."--Michael Sherry, Northwestern University

"Sex Panic and the Punitive State is a passionate, wide-ranging analysis of a culture of American fear that takes shape as moral panic and a socially permeating knee-jerk vindictiveness--not just against the criminal but against anyone (therefore everyone) who could be cast as a potential perpetrator. Its focus on sex and crime is centrally on the male sexual predator, especially the pedophile figure: but its richly archived and narrated examples reach from 19th century victimology to the present, from slavery to terrorism, and their legitimation of the preemptive moral strike. A manifesto against the contemporary paranoid style and its hold on the law, media and you, this book is an important contribution to LGBTQ studies and to American studies in general."--Lauren Berlant, Department of English, University of Chicago

"Sex Panic is gripping and provocative. Lancaster effectively weaves historical and ethnographic accounts along with his own experiences to illuminate the dangerous tilt in America's legal system toward a presumption of guilt. This is an important book for anyone interested in how crime and justice are perceived in society."--Jonathan Simon, Berkeley Law, Berkeley Center for Criminal Justice

"A profound meditation on sex panics in the modern period, coupled with a biting polemic against the role of the punitive state in American culture. This is a must read for everyone concerned with the state of human rights, sexuality, and political economy. You may not agree with it all, but it will rattle your brain." --Gilbert Herdt, founder, Department of Sexuality Studies, San Francisco State University

"From the moral panics about child abuse to the war on terror, Roger Lancaster brilliantly explores the fears and anxieties of the United States in recent decades, showing how they continuously participate in the shaping of the nation. His vivid depiction of the paranoid style and bellicose rhetoric in politics gives remarkable clues to comprehend contemporary punitive governance." --Didier Fassin, James Wolfensohn Professor of Social Science at the Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton University

"Sex Panic & the Punitive State is a sensationally smart integration of the ever-expanding regime of sex-offender surveillance and punishment with all those vexing phenomena you knew were related but couldn't figure out how: victim worship; parental paranoia; the racialization of crime; neoliberalism; the 'war on terror'--and more. Lancaster spares neither right nor left, feminist nor religious conservative; he privileges neither cultural nor economic theories. Meticulously historicized, complexly thought-out, and elegantly written, this exegesis of sexuality and the 'punitive state' will long be vital to academics, policymakers, and activists alike."--Judith Levine, author of Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex

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@hawkeye10,

Thank for the book info sadly however my public library does not carry it yet and after being hit with well over 2000 dollars of vet bills of late I am not going to be buying too many books on my own dime.

Hopefully my library will carry it within a few months.

Oh as far as the so call justice system is concern you had not seen anything yet now that there is being created a private for profit prison system that will be lobbying for locking up even more of our citizens for longer time periods.

Footnote a judge had just been sentence to over a hundred years because he had been receiving kick backs to send juniors to a private prison for minor miisdeeds.

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@BillRM,

Disgraceful Bill.

I've been trying to post a copy of the Boot's advert for painkillers in an attempt to get at what ff means by "consent". But it has been "blocked" on U tube just to show our committment to free expression. It's on our TV though. I mentioned it in the pub last night and the barmaid overheard me and expressed profound indignation.

I came across a site discussing it which had this on it--

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Has anyone else seen the new advert from Boots the chemist advertising pain relief, its the one where man and women are in bed and the man is kissing the woman's arm and shoulder and she is about to say not tonight dear i have a headache and the man shakes a packet of paracetamol or something similar at her, and the message is "be prepared", i don't like it, it seems to me to have the message, we are going to have sex whether you like it or not and if you think your bottling out with the old chestnut of a headache you are mistaken!! OK i know i may be being a tad dramatic but as soon as i saw it i just thought ugh, bit icky!!Am i being a prude?

Lack of consent is written all over the lady's face as the perv shakes the packet at her with a "creepy" leer. "Creepy" is one of ff's favourite words. From the setting one might assume a marital bliss situation not dissimilar to that of most of the other actors and actresses in the DSK case.

A bubble with "16p" features on screen. 16p is one sixth of a £.

I should imagine that the salaries and bonuses of the top brass of Boots are sufficient to build a hospital and pay a 1000 nurses to run it.

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@spendius,

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Lack of consent is written all over the lady's face as the perv shakes the packet at her with a "creepy" leer. "Creepy" is one of ff's favourite words. From the setting one might assume a marital bliss situation not dissimilar to that of most of the other actors and actresses in the DSK case.

We do seems to get confused over the issue of non force pressure to have sex and rape.

Going down the road that all pressures that a man can placed on a woman to have sexual intercourse at any given time is the same as using force lead to some strange results.

Is whining to you wife/partner when she is not in the mood rape then?

Is telling your wife that if she keep withholding sexual relationships you will file for divorce rape?

Is in the case you had given is cutting short an excused she is in the habit of giving when she is not in the mood to have sex an act of rape?

All relationships between humans had an elements of pressures/counter pressures and in the cases of sexual couples some of those pressures relate to having or not having sexual relationships at any given time.

The Fireflies of the world would love to turn all men into rapists by defining any pressure on a woman to have sex real or in her mind alone rape.

As long as the woman in that bed with the horny gentleman with the headache pill is free to tell him to placed that pill where the moon does not shine without worry of being physical force or threaten with force it may be non PC but nothing beyond that.

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@spendius,

By the way spendius I had sadly found that my bank will never give me a loan unless I sign a contract to pay them back with interest.

They had "forced' my consent to pay back the loan against my free will in order to get my hands on the money.

A married man who tell his wife that if she does not put out in bed that he will divorce her is forcing her against her will to have sex if she would like the other benefits of being in a marriage with him.

We would live in a crazy world if either actions of the bank or the husband is consider "rape".

To sum up consent under pressure is still consent unless it is an illegal type of pressure. The bank can not placed a gun to my head to get me to sign a contract and the husband can not hold his wife down and force intercourse on her.

Other pressures depending on the situation may not be moral or gentlemanly but consent gain by those pressures are still valid consent.

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Dominique Strauss-Kahn rape charges dismissed, but not concerns
August 23, 2011
By Tom Moran
The Star-Ledger

After the rape charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn were dismissed this morning, he issued a statement saying the past few months have been a “nightmare for me and my family.”

Pardon us if we will shed no tears for this tawdry little man. If he was really on a path to become president of France, then Paris should be grateful to America for exposing him.

The judge made the right call when he dismissed these charges, given the weakness of the case. The alleged victim, a 33-year-old hotel maid from Guinea, had repeatedly lied and may even have been planning to shake down Strauss-Kahn. A decent defense attorney would have shredded her on the stand.

But that doesn’t mean Strauss-Kahn is an innocent man. It means he is not guilty under the law, because prosecutors could not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s a tough burden, as it should be. The government has no business putting anyone in jail without solid proof.

The price we pay for upholding that standard, though, it is to let some guilty people go free.

In this case, prosecutors have evidence of a sexual encounter within a few minutes of Diallo entering the hotel room of Strauss-Kahn. The two didn’t know each other. To believe this was consensual is a stretch, especially after learning that Strauss-Kahn has been accused of other sexual assaults as well.

So even though the system worked, this is a sad day. Strauss-Kahn may be “not guilty” in the legal sense of the word. But if he wants us to believe he is innocent of this crime, then he has more explaining to do.
http://blog.nj.com/njv_tom_moran//print.html

It remains to be seen whether Strauss-Kahn will explain what transpired in that Sofitel hotel suite. He employs a team of PR people, so they are no doubt working on a cover story for him.

It should not be forgotten that DSK's first statement, issued by his lawyers, was that no sexual contact had taken place--he claimed he had already left the hotel suite by the time the alleged encounter took place. Only when it was clear that forensic evidence proved otherwise, did he admit to sexual contact. He then had no other recourse but to claim it was consensual after the initial lie fizzled out.

"A tawdry little man" does seem a more apt description than calling him a womanizer or even a libertine.

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French Socialists turn on Dominique Strauss-Kahn
By Henry Samuel
Paris
31 Aug 2011

Martine Aubry, the party’s former leader, has stuck the knife into the former IMF chief just “days” before his return home and amid embarrassing plans by his Socialist supporters to hold a “welcome home” celebrations for him.

“I think the same as most women about his attitude to women,” she said.

Ms Aubry, 61, a French presidential hopeful who will run in party primaries next month, said it was not for her to judge Mr Strauss-Kahn, who was once her main rival as Socialist candidate, after he was freed from attempted rape charges in the US last week.

But she demanded that the 63-year-old economist “must explain himself” when he returns to France.

“He is now free to react, to move about freely and to speak openly,” she said on France’s Canal Plus television channel.

“I was the first to say that he is innocent until proven guilty, and for the rest, this is a matter on which Dominique Strauss-Kahn must explain himself.

“The French people do not expect me to tell them what went on in that hotel room. I have no idea.

“He’ll be here soon and we’ll be asking him some questions.”

Mr Strauss-Kahn was favourite to become the Socialist party’s presidential candidate before scandal and charges of sexual assault in New York two months ago.

Ms Aubry’s damning words came just one day after Michel Rocard, the former French prime minister branded Mr Strauss-Kahn “mentally ill” and “unable to control his sexual urges” in the most outspoken attack from a prominent Left-winger.

Fellow Socialist presidential candidate Arnaud Montebourg added: “He has apologised to members of the IMF and he should have done the same thing to the (French) Left and all Socialist voters.

“(When he returns), it will be necessary for him to make the same gesture,” he said.

Mr Strauss-Kahn’s return comes amid controversy over his supporters pledge to stage a “big (welcome home) party” with “drinks and a concert” in Sarcelles, the Paris suburb where he was mayor and deputy mayor from 1997 to 2007.

Francois Pupponi , the current mayor, tried to quash the criticism. “He’s very popular around here but it’s not like Dominique has won the World Cup,” he said. “Nothing official has been organised for the moment.”

“DSK” still faces a civil lawsuit for damages in the US from chambermaid Nafissatou Diallo, 32, whose criminal case against him for attempted rape was quashed last week.

She has also launched a separate criminal complaint in Paris against Strauss-Kahn party workers in Sarcelles for allegedly seeking to bribe a French woman with whom he had a relationship 14 years ago not to testify against him.

A preliminary investigation has also been launched in Paris after French writer Tristane Banon accused him of behaving like a “rutting chimpanzee” in an alleged rape attempt in 2003.

A recent poll also found that 53 per cent of French people want DSK to play no part in politics on his return to France. Another posted this week found that four out of five want him to stay out of the Socialists’ presidential campaign.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8732927/French-Socialists-turn-on-Dominique-Strauss-Kahn.html

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@firefly,

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It remains to be seen whether Strauss-Kahn will explain what transpired in that Sofitel hotel suite

Lol no matter how must of a proven lair a woman happen to be if a man is charge by her without any other evidence that a crime had happen but her word he should still need to explain the matter!!!!!!!!

And of course there is no repeat no path in Firefly world for him to clear his name no matter what course of actions he take.

In other word if a woman stated that she was attack by a man he is screw for the rest of his life.

Not even a jury verdict by Firefly own words have the power to clear a man name.

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@firefly,

Firefly other then the lord god himself tearing the very Dome of the sky apart and then declaring that DSK is innocent to the world is there any other path to clear his name open to him in your universe?

Tell me Firefly if your poor victim would go onto all major news channels in the world and declared she had been lying about non-consensus happening in that room would you then declared his name had been clear or would you go with the idea that now she is lying for whatever reason perhaps pressure and his name is still not clear?

Other then a supernatural act is there any way any man can have his name clear once he is charge with sexual assault by any woman Firefly?

We know that a criminal jury verdict would not do it for you and adding a civil verdict would that do it for you Firefly?

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@BillRM,

Bill, can't you accept that DSK has not come out of this squeaky clean, regardless of what FF thinks? You, and a lot of other people, may think he's just a victim, but unless it's proved otherwise, there is still a big question mark hanging over his head.

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