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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:38 pm
@izzythepush,
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What kind of world do these leaders of the Socialist party live in? No one who reads the original prosecution complaint against Mr Strauss-Kahn and the New York prosecutors' 25-page request for the case to be dismissed could possibly make such reckless remarks. Yesterday's dismissal did not find that no sexual encounter occurred between the ex-head of the IMF and the hotel maid Nafissatou Diallo. There was reliable forensic evidence of a real and rapid encounter, a


So what if sex had occur between them?

She had proven herself a constant liar so no statement of her can be taken as a given and the last I look sex by itself is not a crime.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:44 pm
@BillRM,
First of all it's an editorial, not my words. Secondly it's about politics. Being 'innocent' of a crime doesn't mean you're not electoral shitmist.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:49 pm
@izzythepush,
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First of all it's an editorial, not my words. Secondly it's about politics. Being 'innocent' of a crime doesn't mean you're not electoral shitmist.


But the electron in question is in France not in the bible belt of the US or worst the UK.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Logic fail: if Berlusconi can do it DSK should be able to do it, the French are as forgiving a people as are the Italians. The puritan Brits can shove off....


You're a fine one to be calling us puritanical. I think that the Guardian's analysis of the political climate in France is superior to your own.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:46 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:



You're a fine one to be calling us puritanical. I think that the Guardian's analysis of the political climate in France is superior to your own.
the editorial was about what the british editors of the Guardians will to happen, not what the French will to happen.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
What do you mean, 'will to happen?' It's analysis, it's what they think will happen, not what they want to happen You don't have a clue what French public opinion is. Then again, you really don't have a clue about much.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
The article you posted from Le Monde said pretty much the same thing.

DSK's political career is done and over.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
You know Hawkeye we are lucky to have the old mother country still around so we are not the worst nation in the world for being hung up on people private sex lives and sex in general

They are the only nation in the EU that had placed videos of so call extreme porn in a class barely below child porn.

Hint about what extreme porn cover is do not take your home movies on a trip to merry old england unless you are in every frame.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:25 pm
@firefly,
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DSK's political career is done and over.


Your record for predicting outcomes on this thread seems to be zero so far Firefly but I am happy you are still game to go bravely on.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 06:57 pm
@BillRM,
Unlike you, I am not into reading tea leaves. I have been reading the comments coming out of France. While he may well continue to have some sort of a future as an economist, they speak of the demise of his political career.
Quote:
August 24, 2011 6:41 pm
Strauss-Kahn counts political cost of court case
By Peggy Hollinger and Jennifer Thompson in Paris

Though the former boss of the International Monetary Fund was smiling as he left court in the US on Tuesday, free of all charges of criminal assault on a New York chambermaid, he was visibly older than the man who just three months ago was tipped to become France’s next president.

“You can see it in his face,” said a senior Socialist politician who has known him for 30 years. “He has just lived through a nightmare.”


It is not likely to be the same Dominique Strauss-Kahn who returns to his native France, they say, and nor will he enjoy the same role that he once envisaged – taking the left to power in next year’s presidential election.

“It seems totally out of the question,” says Gérard Collomb, the Socialist mayor of Lyon. Questions over Mr Strauss-Kahn’s morality and sexual appetite have not gone away, despite the credibility of his accuser being seriously in doubt.

“It has left traces that will take some time to disappear,” says Mr Collomb.

Pierre Moscovici, the Socialist heavyweight who initially supported Mr Strauss-Kahn and now backs his popular rival, François Hollande, in the party primaries currently under way, is in no doubt that his moment has passed.

“Things have changed fundamentally for him,” he says. The candidates for the party nomination have set out their stalls and “the competition will take place without him”.

Many within the party may be hoping Mr Strauss-Kahn stays well out of politics for the time being. Not only does he still face investigation in France for another alleged assault – on Tristane Banon, a writer, which he denies – but also the persistent questions over his private life could tarnish the Socialist Party’s chances just as it seems to have a real chance of winning power from a deeply unpopular centre-right president, Nicolas Sarkozy.

“He has not been cleared, the charges have just been dropped,” says Zaki Laidi, professor of political science at Sciences Po university in Paris. “Most of them consider him a liability. He is politically dead.”

For any chance of a real public role, says Mr Laidi, Mr Strauss-Kahn would have to give his version of the events that took place in the Sofitel hotel room. Yet even that might not resolve the questions over his private life.

Opinion polls, too, imply that the former IMF boss is no longer considered the messiah for a left otherwise devoid of economic credibility. In July, a survey showed that roughly two-thirds believed he should not run for the presidency.

Though there may well be a show of sympathy for Mr Strauss-Kahn in the immediate aftermath of his ordeal, “it could be limited by the fact that there will always be a doubt,” says Jérôme Fourquet of Ifop, an opinion polling institute.

That said, few would say that there is no public future for a man considered to be one of the brightest and most economically literate politicians in France. Some are hoping that the former IMF boss will help the Socialist party find a credible response to the current global economic and financial turmoil, at least in the short term as an adviser.

“He is a man whose international experience is unique. When it comes to the current crisis, he is a man who is listened to,” says Mr Moscovici.

It is true that Mr Strauss-Kahn’s socially minded brand of free market economics has had a strong appeal, both to modernisers on the left and to those on the centre right seeking a more humane approach than that espoused by the current government.

“He has a strong audience in France,” says Mr Moscovici.

Whatever Mr Strauss-Kahn decides, it is clear that the political landscape in France has changed. And with it, says Mr Collomb, the view that voters have of their politicians. “Perhaps morality has a little more importance now than it did,” he says.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/476155c4-ce5a-11e0-99ec-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1VztUjYcN
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:03 pm
@firefly,
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While he may well continue to have some sort of a future as an economist, they speak of the demise of his political career.
some do some dont, while there is near universal agreement that he can not now enter the Presidential race even though the party could if they wanted make a special rule for him there is no agreement about his long term political prospects. Some say that he can be the king maker right now, some say that he needs to rehabilitate his reputation, and some say that he will not be able to rehabilitate....as usual you firefly can not be counted on to tell the truth, you spin your "truth" to promote your agendas.

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Given his talents and abilities, I see no reason why DSK couldn't again resume a place as an influential voice, even active political figure, once the time for explaining and healing has passed,” says the Socialist official. “That could be as a legislator, advisor, even cabinet member in a leftist government, if things go well as they should. But it's difficult to imagine him as a presidential candidate again—and inconceivable now.

Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/08/24/the-dismissed-dsk-case-everyones-a-loser/#ixzz1W0C2rDGi
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:08 pm
@firefly,
Sorry Firefly but even France contain people with your outlook on life who write articles that does not mean however that France is going to change a must more sane culture then ours into something you or the writers you are postings here will be happy with.

If I was a French man I would be looking forward to a chance to send a message to the barbarians Americans.




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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
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as usual you firefly can not be counted on to tell the truth, you spin your "truth" to promote your agendas.

I offered no spin, I posted an article--people are free to draw their own conclusions from the article and the quotes it contains.

As for having an "agenda"--I have no none. Truthfully, I have no interest in DSK's future at all. I really had no interest in him before this legal case emerged, and nothing has happened to alter that.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:19 pm
@firefly,
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I offered no spin, I posted an article
You said that the french have decided that DSK does not have a political future, which is a lie....
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:23 pm
@firefly,
The one writer is an English woman and Paris Bureau chief of the Finance Times IE she is a citizen/subject of the only nation with more sexual hang-ups then Americans.

Now let look at your next expert on French culture.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:29 pm
@firefly,
The co-writer is an American living in the UK.

Love the experts on the French and French culture you are posting concerning DSK future.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:36 pm
@BillRM,
The Brits have a very long history of hating the French, their getting on their soapbox to spit at DSk and about how the French put up with DSK is par for the course. Firefly knows the difference between the French and the Brits, she only misrepresents who is saying DSK is over because her hatred of men profits from the lie, she gets to feel that a guy got ruined because he wanted a blowjob, which for sure gets her off every night as she thinks about it just as well as reading BDSM stories gets me in the place....

EDIT the Americans generally hate the French too, of course.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
Well, you certainly have an agenda, don't you. And that agenda seems to be to try to distort whatever I say.
Quote:
You said that the french have decided that DSK does not have a political future, which is a lie....

No, that is clearly not what I said.

Try re-reading what I said to see if you can finally get it right.
I said....
Quote:
While he may well continue to have some sort of a future as an economist, they speak of the demise of his political career.

Please note, I said, "they speak of..." referring to some of the people quoted in the article I posted directly under that statement. And indeed, some of those people, who are definitely French, spoke of the demise of his political career.

I would never say the "french have decided..." referring to anything, because that sort of unfounded over-generalization is characteristic of your sloppy thinking--and your sloppy interpretation of what you read as well. Short of polling the entire French population, or having them vote on something, I don't know what "the French" as an entire group think of anything, let alone DSK's future.

Your tendency to regularly distort what others say, and then accuse them of lying is quite distressing. The very fact that you are are the one doing the distorting of other people's remarks indicates that you are the one engaging in deceit, engaging in lies. It's really rather pathetic that you have to resort to something so childish, and so obvious, to try to make yourself look good, at someone else's expense, if you feel that helps your "agenda".

I don't care about DSK's future--not his political future, his career future, his future with his wife, his future with women. He was of no interest to me before this legal case hit the headlines, and he is of no real interest to me now.

You want to believe he has a political future, go right ahead and believe it. But don't distort my remarks just so you can construct one of your usual straw-men as an excuse to argue your own "agenda".

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 09:02 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Unlike you, I am not into reading tea leaves. I have been reading the comments coming out of France. While he may well continue to have some sort of a future as an economist, they speak of the demise of his political career.
"They" is the commentators from France referred to in the sentence before, there is no other possibility.

You play these word games all the time, you say **** and then you deny that you said it when it becomes a problem (that is when somebody nails you for your bullshit), but your skills are slipping..., you used to be less obvious.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 10:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
"They" is the commentators from France referred to in the sentence before, there is no other possibility.

Because you've foolishly decided "there is no other possibility" does not mean you have accurately interpreted what I said. In fact, you are not interpreting my statement accurately.

I said...
Quote:
I have been reading the comments coming out of France. While he may well continue to have some sort of a future as an economist, they speak of the demise of his political career.


I had been reading the comments coming out of France--and the comments I was referring to were contained in the quotes in the article I posted right under that statement. Did I say I had read all the comments coming out of France, or all comments made by all French people? Did I make any sweeping generalization about what "the French" all think about DSK's political future? Of course not,. My statements were made simply to introduce the article I posted. The article speaks for itself. The quotes made by French people in that article speak for themselves.

Quote:

You play these word games all the time, you say **** and then you deny that you said it when it becomes a problem (that is when somebody nails you for your bullshit), but your skills are slipping

I don't play word games. I use the English language in as precise a matter as possible to describe what I mean and what I want to communicate. I want to be very clearly understood, which is precisely the reason I would not play word games, or even want to.

Don't blame me if you can't accurately understand what I'm saying. In this instance, you were unable to accurately understand what I meant in two simple sentences. If you didn't think those sentences referred to quotes in the article I posted directly under them, to what did you think they were referring?

The comprehension problems are all on your end. You repeatedly distort what you read, not just my comments, but other people's comments, and you even distort the content of articles that you yourself post and often conclude that they are saying something other than what they actually say.

This is hardly the first time I've mentioned your tendency to distort what you read. I've mentioned it to you over and over again because it is rather glaring, and I'm far from the only person who has pointed it out to you.

You're not stupid, you should be able to accurately understand what you read. So, I have to conclude that it's your emotional response, or your desire to win an argument, that's accounting for all the distortion. You don't just read things, and understand them objectively, you read into things so you will find what you are looking for, so the material will say what you want it to say, and in the process you distort what was actually said.

All the distortion makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to have a meaningful discussion with you about anything. Your straw-men are born out of your distortions, so your arguments always wind up aimed at this phantom/distorted/straw-man opponent and not at what other posters, including me, are actually saying. By the time I get finished wading through all the distorted ideas and mythical opinions you've attributed to your fictionalized version of me, it's not even worth the effort to continue the discussion. You aren't attacked just because some of your ideas are unpopular, as you so often claim, it's also because you do a tremendous amount of distorting and mis-characterization of the remarks others have made, and that can become infuriating and not worth the effect to continue the conversation.

Anything worthwhile you might have to say on a topic generally gets drowned out by the weight of all your own distortions. When it comes to winning an argument, or a debate, you're your own worst enemy. Since you always argue mainly against a straw-man, or a distorted version of what the other person has said, you not only lose credibility, which you certainly do, you wind up essentially delivering a monologue. And then, you pat yourself on the back and declare that you have "won the debate". There is no debate with a monologue, Hawkeye, you never win any arguments, you never change any one's mind. You only wind up looking foolish and out of touch with what other people are actually saying.

And, given your tendency to distort, I don't actually expect you to be able to accurately understand what I am saying right now, let alone why I have taken the time and effort to say it to you....







 

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