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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 11:18 pm
@firefly,
According to you if I said "Black people speak of liking watermelon" and followed it with a quote from one black who says he like watermelon and you came back saying "not all Blacks like watermelon, you hawkeye are being a racist bigot" and I came back with "I never said black's like watermelon, I was just setting up the quote where one black person says he likes watermelon...all would be kosher right?

You Firefly use words to convey a meaning that you know is false, and then if you get called on it you come up with a dodge claiming you never said what you said using some warped definition, or as we saw with "rape" you will use the word all day long but never define it so that you use the word as if it had the common definition but when this gets you in trouble you say that you never said such because you never defined it, or you do as you did here and use a pronoun but when you get called on it you claim that the noun that you obviously referred to is not the noun that you meant...and on and on your word games go.

Did you learn deception through that artful use of language from Bill Clinton, or were you doing it before the master gave his lesson on the what the meaning of is is??
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 12:35 am
@hawkeye10,
In a poll 47% of the French want DSK to reenter French Politics nearly immediately

http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2011/08/25/53-de-francais-contre-le-retour-de-dsk-dans-le-debat-politique_1563138_823448.html
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 01:15 am
@hawkeye10,
I said I didn't expect you to understand what I was saying in my last post...
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You Firefly use words to convey a meaning that you know is false...


Are you completely crazy? That is so off-the-wall it's really nuts.

Why would I use words to convey a meaning I know is false? In case you haven't noticed, I choose my words very carefully because I want to communicate exactly what I mean. I want what I'm saying to be clearly understood. And a lifetime of positive feedback on my ability to express myself has let me know I'm an excellent communicator, particularly through the medium of the written word.

Don't blame your inability to understand my posts on my alleged duplicitous use of words. Or attribute your tendency to distort what I say to my being deliberately deceptive. You either have some serious comprehension problems, or you deliberately twist what others say to suit your own ends, and, frankly, I think both of those things are true.
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as we saw with "rape" you will use the word all day long but never define it so that you use the word as if it had the common definition but when this gets you in trouble you say that you never said such because you never defined it

Now that's a deliberate untruth on your part. Or is it another distortion? Or is it both?
When we discussed rape, the crime of crime, I clearly said I was using the term as defined by state law--and I generally preferred to quote the exact state definition verbatim. Generally, I described it as sexual intercourse without consent, because that general deception encompasses most state laws on rape. That is the common legal definition of rape. I quite clearly did define my use of the term "rape" because I wanted it to be understood how I was using the term. My use of the word in that way never got me into "trouble" because it was clear what I meant when I referred to "rape".
You, on the other hand, in our discussion of the crime of rape, refused to abide by any common definition of rape as described in state law--even the laws of the state you live in. You referred to "real rape" "not real rape" "grey rape" and all sorts of things that have nothing to do with how the state defines the crime of rape. You seem to have the quaint idea you can bitch endlessly about the "rape laws" without knowing exactly what is contained in those laws, how they are worded, and how they define "rape".

Even in this thread, I posted a copy of the criminal complaint against DSK, along with the exact definitions, from NYS penal law, of every crime he was charged with. You, of course, ignored all that and instead speculated and fantasized about the actions he might have engaged in, used your own made-up definitions of the sexual offenses he was charged with, and naturally concluded the charges didn't fit.

Why you keep saying I've never defined "rape" I do not know. Do you have serious memory problems? Is defining it as "sexual intercourse without consent" too difficult for you to to grasp? Do you like to just bring up the word "rape" and enjoy using it as often as possible?

Look, Haweye, you distort, misinterpret, and mis-characterize the things I say. Sometimes you twist things deliberately and maliciously, at other times you have rather glaring and significant comprehension problems,

I'm not going to dumb down so you can understand me. Nor am I going to try to correct all of the various fantasies, myths, inaccuracies, and lies, you spin about me, because you apparently need these straw-men, and that "fictional firefly", to bolster what laughingly passes for "debate" in your mind. You just don't seem capable of holding your own in a discussion of ideas on an adult level. You childishly need to take personal shots, even if you have to fabricate things about me in order to take those shots. That's junior high school level crap, Hawkeye. If you can't muster more adult and thoughtful responses, or manage to understand what I'm saying, without distorting it, just ignore my posts, because otherwise I'm going to ignore yours.










firefly
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 01:24 am
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Muted response to prospect of Strauss-Kahn return
Wed, Aug 24 2011
By Catherine Bremer

PARIS (Reuters) - Cleared of sex assault charges, Dominique Strauss-Kahn could be back in France within days but may not get a hero's welcome, if sober newspaper editorials and cautious statements by his Socialist allies are anything to go by.

Newspapers focused on Wednesday on the stain to his image from his liaison with a New York hotel maid and his political allies reluctant to speculate on his plans.

Strauss-Kahn could be home as early as next week, after settling his affairs in Washington where he was based as head of the International Monetary Fund until his mid-May arrest on attempted rape charges, which were dropped on Tuesday.

His lawyer in France, Henri Leclerc, said he was not aware of a set date for Strauss-Kahn to return.

Far from celebrating the exoneration of a man who had been pegged as France's next president before his arrest and who has long been affectionately known in France by his initials DSK, newspaper editorials were sober and reflective.

"Far from being cleared, DSK will now have to live with, rather like another kind of sentence, the suspicious regard of public opinion," wrote Yves Threard in the daily Le Figaro.

Left-wing Liberation ran its story under the headline: "One dismissal but three ball-and-chains" referring to the three open legal cases against Strauss-Kahn relating to alleged misconduct.

The main opposition Socialist Party, which lost its top economic thinker with Strauss-Kahn's downfall, has cheered the dropping of charges but given no indication of what role he might play in the future, focusing instead on preparing for its annual congress this weekend in the seaside town of La Rochelle.

Segolene Royal, one of a handful of Socialist presidential hopefuls, sought to change the subject when pressed on BFM TV to talk about Strauss-Kahn. "I don't want to comment about this. I will not discuss his future activities," she said.

Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who polls show could win around 13 percent of the vote in the first election round in April, said the dropping of all the criminal sex assault charges left a "nauseating" and "bitter" taste in the mouth.

TUMBLING DOWN

The decision to scrap the case against the former finance minister ended a three-month saga that filled newspapers around the world with sordid details about his 9-minute liaison with maid Nafissatou Diallo, which his lawyers say was consensual.

Political analysts say Strauss-Kahn may never completely win back the respect of the French people and could struggle to be accepted in public office given the tarnishing of his image from the case and what it revealed about his private life.

"It's all come tumbling down," a woman who gave her name as Besma told Reuters Television in Paris. "It's too ambiguous. Already in Paris there are a lot of stories about him. He has a certain notoriety. I think the least he could do, even if it's his private life, is to have a certain image."

Diallo is pursuing a civil case against Strauss-Kahn, and an inquiry is under way in France over allegations he tried to sexually assault writer Tristane Banon in 2003. Diallo's lawyers have also filed a complaint against a Strauss-Kahn ally in France for allegedly trying to silence a witness with money.

Strauss-Kahn's public relations office declined any comment on Wednesday, but his U.S. lawyer Benjamin Brafman told the daily Le Parisien the former IMF chief had things to settle there in the United States before returning to France.

He said he was confident Diallo's civil case would also collapse and he that there would be no financial settlement.

"One thing must be clear to the French: DSK has no intention and has never had any intention of giving her money," he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/24/us-strausskahn-idUSTRE77N3JJ20110824


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"The political game for Strauss-Kahn in France is over. All his strongest supporters inside the party know about it," said Christian Malard, a journalist for broadcaster France 3.

"Now I don't mean he won't have a role -- I'm convinced that behind the scenes, behind the curtain, he will be a kind of godfather, a kind of referee, because it's still remembered by most of the Socialist voters, by the electorate, that he is the man who was definitely given as a strong potential winner for the next presidential election, beating Sarkozy in all circumstances."

Although he may retain some backstage influence, his image in the eyes of the broader French public is undoubtedly tarnished. A poll by Ipsos-Le Point published on Monday suggested only 28% of people held a favorable view of him.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/24/us.france.dsk.case/
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 03:20 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Quote:
Wed, Aug 24 2011
By Catherine Bremer


Another American woman writing about the French who is part of a culture and press that hounded a US senator out of office for sending private sexual pictures to consenting adult women.

How about some French writers Firefly expressing an opinion about DSK possible future because all you are now giving us is an echo of your own thinking.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 05:27 am
@firefly,
I don't really want to start discussing porn, but as Bill brought it up as a critique of our censorship laws, I have to respond. I visit Amsterdam on a regular basis, and the most striking difference is the way the sex shops are laid out. In the UK the shop front is plain white, and the only message is one saying that obscene images are on display inside, and that under 18s are not allowed access. In Amsterdam, it's all in the window displays, and the doors are wide open.

The only stuff that is not available inside our sex shops, other than child porn, is bestiality and violent porn. Not S&M stuff, but really violent stuff including torture. If Bill is really into that sort of stuff, he is one sick ****. I think he's just misinformed though.

I really admire the way you try to address Hawkeye's idiotic assertations on a point by point basis. I stopped bothering with that a long time ago. He's just so stupid, it's a complete waste of time and energy. His dismissal of The Guardian's editorial, as being just a product of British Francophobia, shows just how stupid he really is. There may well be people in France who believe DSK should stand for election, but I would imagine that most of those people are not supporters of the Socialist Party.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 06:27 am
@izzythepush,
I dismiss the Grauniad in every respect. One of its female "journalists" was on the Sky News paper's review last night and a right idiot she made of herself from start to finish. Her little neurotic fingers were tugging at the hem of her skirt throughout.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 06:34 am
@firefly,
Quote:
In case you haven't noticed, I choose my words very carefully because I want to communicate exactly what I mean.


Right then ff. What do you mean by "consent"?

Is a man maintaining his tumescence or conjuring his orgasm by means of a fantasy involving a third party, or parties, getting "consent" from the lady he is in physical contact with if she is unaware of the true situation and would be shocked and mortified if she was made aware of it?

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 06:47 am
@spendius,
I think you've just got a problem with strong women.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 07:14 am
@izzythepush,
Not only that, Sky news is a load of old rubbish. It's like the BBC for people who are as thick as ****. I watch primarily BBC. Channel 4 and Al Jazeera news. Sometimes I watch a few foreign providers like RT but Sky is not worth the time of day.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 07:28 am
@izzythepush,
Let see your new porn laws according to one headline I read in a UK paper will turn millions into criminals.

People who deal with computer forensics and deal with searching people computers in legal cases in the UK was and are not happy about your new extreme porn laws as one gentleman stated in a UK base forensics podcast it will mean the need to do far more judgment calls and the reporting of far more computer owners to the police.

Why in the hell should consensus adult SM behaviors for example being shown in videos be illegal but for English hangs up concerning sex.

Oh it not just illegal to sell it is illegal to own it repeat to own it.

Hawkeye is right that there is a movement in the US and it would seem the UK to outlaw some consensus sex acts between adults .
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 08:48 am
@izzythepush,
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I think you've just got a problem with strong women.


They don't look so strong to me. It's all an act. A movie.

And the problem is that a few hundred of what you call strong women penetrating pulpits of Media is ruining the lives of millions of ordinary women as many of them will tell you if you take the trouble to enquire.

I presume you have no working definition of "strong women".
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 08:53 am
@izzythepush,
As far as I know Sky News has won the Best News award every year since its inception. Perhaps you're a snob izzy.

All Media is "shite". Murnaghan left the BBC to join Sky News.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 09:50 am
@BillRM,
So you do like bestiality and violent torture porn then?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 09:51 am
@spendius,
I'm no snob, I just don't like being spoken down to by a news channel.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 10:39 am
@izzythepush,
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So you do like bestiality and violent torture porn then?


So the state should have the right to placed people into jail for owning videos of consensus sexual acts between adults that does not turn most members of the public and your parliament members on?

Gay sex videos happen to made me sick to my stomach so therefore I should demand that to even own such videos should be a crime?

And if anyone challenge me by not agreeing that such video should be illegal to own I should do what you had just done and state does ten men naked forming a circle and doing so not by holding hands ………..turn you on?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 10:52 am
@BillRM,
I can't believe that you're equating homosexuality with bestiality. Certain forms of behaviour are unacceptable, that's why we have laws. You seem to be the only person concerned about our obscenity laws, which are considerably more liberal now then they were just a few years ago.

We're not talking about S&M, we're talking about really sick stuff. These laws were prompted by the murder of a young girl in Brighton whose boyfriend was obsessed with torture porn. If someone has been downloading torture porn I think the police should be aware of it, before he starts putting it into practice.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 11:25 am
@izzythepush,
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I can't believe that you're equating homosexuality with bestiality. Certain forms of behaviour are unacceptable, that's why we have laws. You seem to be the only person concerned about our obscenity laws, which are considerably more liberal now then they were just a few years ago.


Your extreme sex laws cover one hell of a wider area then bestiality to put it mildly and it does cover acts that all parties were both adults and consenting.

That is my problems with such a law and severe SM and bestiality films are as likely to turn my stomach is a similar manner to gay sex videos even if I had never seen such SM or bestiality videos to judge their stomach turning power on me. Footnote nor am I planning on downloading such materials to check that out one way or another.

Now is England so crime free that there is plenty of resources to search out people who enjoy watching such videos and placing them in jail? Turning useful citizens into criminals because their sex drive is not the same as the
majority?

Dealing with bestiality not something I would care to take part in or watch on videos but as long as the animal or animals are not harm so what????????

How is this private matter going to effect the public to the degree that it call for jailing citizens for having such materials?

Do you fear that someone is going to seize you dog and turn him into a sex slave but for the state locking up owners of such videos?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 11:35 am
@BillRM,
You're talking about something that isn't happening. Nobody is being arrested for looking at images of consenting adults. I don't know where you get these ideas from, but you're wrong.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 11:36 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
, I just don't like being spoken down to by a news channel.


You've seen nothing yet izzy. These females are the harbingers of the Wasteland. You don't think a trend ceases at the moment we are discussing it do you? It either gets a plug put in it or continues on its merry way like a boulder rolling down a mountain.
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