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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 05:39 am
@hawkeye10,
It might be best hawk to draw a veil over the whole sorry mess. Money and sexual prurience were the drivers.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 06:09 am
@hawkeye10,
You know I love Firefly idea of justice working as we had a major player removed from the handling of a major internet economic crisis and a major nation lost their freedom to pick their next leader all because of a story by a third world con woman.

Not to comment on DSK losing his career and needing to spend millions on lawyers and having every rumor of his inactions with women since the third grade placed in the newspapers.

Firefly in fact is still making comments with zero backings about his poor behaviors at the hotel toward other women.

Too bad there is such a thing as sovereign immunity otherwise DSK could sue both the state of New York and Vance himself.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 11:18 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It might be best hawk to draw a veil over the whole sorry mess. Money and sexual prurience were the drivers.
Easy for you to say, you dont live under threat of attack from the US "justice" system....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 11:29 am
Alan Dershowitz: "DSK got some kind of special treatment"

In an interview with "Echoes", the criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz, Harvard law professor who has defended Claus von Bulow, Mike Tyson and OJ Simpson is a severe criticism on the work of the prosecutor.

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Have you been surprised by the prosecutor's decision to opt for dropping the charges?

Not particularly in light of what I had recently read in the press. But a general point of view, yes I was surprised, because so many cases usually go to trial on the basis much more tenuous. I think DSK got some kind of special treatment. Generally, in a typical case where a woman says she was raped and where there are questions about its credibility, the case goes to trial, especially if there is evidence of a physical relationship. He was entitled to special consideration, as sometimes happens in the context of hyper-publicized cases. It was a case much stronger than for the prosecution against Mike Tyson. But Mike Tyson spent several years in prison on the basis of statements of a liar who had previously falsely accused someone of rape.

How would you rate the way the Office of the Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. has led the process so far?

Erratic. It was too brutal and too weak at the beginning to end. This is unusual. First, it should never have been charged DSK as quickly or put in prison as he did at first, by scrolling to the press ("perp walk"). It was terrible. There was a rush into the decision on whether to continue, and precipitation in the decision not to prosecute. It is an exemplary case of the flexibility of the charge that I will teach my students. And I think they will do a better job than the professionals in this case.

What are the chances of success of the civil action brought by counsel for the complainant?

Pretty good, especially since it will be before a court in the Bronx where the jury will not be very favorable to DSK and will have more sympathy for the alleged victim. Which would be very embarrassing if it wins the Kenneth Thompson civil remedy and that the jury decided unanimously that there has been rape. The standard of proof is different. What will make a big difference is that it is then a matter of money and not go to jail.

Do you still believe in the possibility of a financial transaction as part of civil procedure?

It's possible. Obviously, Kenneth Thompson began to back the prosecutor's office. But this should not play in civil proceedings. However, if a transaction, even discrete, everyone will know and it will be seen as a form of admission of guilt.

Do not you think that the fact that the complainant lied about a prior rape in connection with his application for asylum has played a major role?

Apparently, immigration experts say that any assertion of a sexual assault is commonplace within the claims. Many people who lie are still violated. I even wrote a novel about it ("The Devil's Advocate").

How does the handling of this case it means the effectiveness of the American legal system to you?

It is not in a very favorable. There are thousands of people currently in prison on the basis of elements of guilt much lower. If one were to consistently apply this treatment, as would be desirable, it would reopen many cases, including the case of Mike Tyson. That said, I am more and more in favor of releasing the potential culprit rather than condemn the innocent potential. If you believe in this principle is a good result. For my part, I would not, however, dismissed the case so quickly and I would have gone further investigations. DSK's lawyers have done a great job. The most important thing a lawyer needs to know is when he should not speak.

http://www.lesechos.fr/economie-politique/monde/interview/0201584656127-alan-dershowitz-dsk-a-obtenu-une-sorte-de-traitement-special-209379.php
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 11:44 am
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - An appeals court denied a request for a special prosecutor in the criminal sexual assault case of former IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn, NBC TV New York reported.

The state court of appeals decision in New York was expected after a trial level judge denied the bid by lawyers for Strauss-Kahn's accuser to replace the prosecutor. The trial judge also ordered the charges dismissed following a motion by the office of the Manhattan District Attorney.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Judge-dismisses-charges-rb-354309976.html;_ylt=Aq9zut6esEAFIxMw4AmQrAi7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1YW9vMTk1BHBvcwM3BHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNkc2tuaWdodG1hcmU-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode=

Thomson keeps chipping the chips are not flying....working hard but getting nowhere as the loses pile up.....

Maybe he now wishes that he never took this manipulative lying bitch as a client, her original lawyers I am sure are celebrating their good sense to get out early.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 11:48 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye did you ever seen the interview of Tyson accuser?

Lord she came off as phony as a three dollar bill in fact the maid interview more convincingly then she did.

Let me see if youtube had that interview.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 12:00 pm
@BillRM,
Yes, and at the time I thought Tyson deserved what ever he got..I am of a different mind now. I am concerned now about the lack of justice in our "justice" system, about the steady erosion of freedom in America and about the recent societal systematic prioritizing women over men.

Looking back I feel bad for what we did to Mike, and I am ashamed of myself for cheering on the state as we abused him.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 12:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Easy for you to say, you dont live under threat of attack from the US "justice" system....


I must admit that the tendency for the legal profession to see the population, including its own members, as does a vulture spying a faltering animal, seems to be less pronounced here although the tendency is on the rise.

I put it down to written constitutions and a Puritan inheritance. Evolutionary processes are hamstrung by both in a multiplication calculus rather than by simple addition.

I think most people think some change is desireable but are at a loss how to go about it.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 12:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
At the time hawk I wrote a somewhat savage letter to my local newspaper which ran a headline "TYSON CAGED".
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 12:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
No question that Tyson is an asshole now and then and that did not aid him when he was charge with rape.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 12:22 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

No question that Tyson is an asshole now and then and that did not aid him when he was charge with rape.
We can say with some certainty now that Tyson is not an abuser of women, but that his big problem has been doing a poor job of picking his women.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 01:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Tyson is not an abuser of women


He did not beat up his one wife what her name?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 02:02 pm
@BillRM,
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He did not beat up his one wife what her name
That is the way she tells it as she pursues her career in the saviour community in part by peddling her victim story for profit, however the way I hear it it was a mutually abusive relationship where who got the worst of it is hard to say.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 02:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
I remember his wife make him do a strange TV interview where he kind of confessed to abusing her.

Second an eighty pounds woman and the heavy weight champ of the world I would say who would get the worst of it is fairly clear in any physical conflict.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 02:21 pm
@BillRM,
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I remember his wife make him do a strange TV interview where he kind of confessed to abusing her.
She was enormously emotionally transgressive for sure but I also recall that she used to smack him around too....but it has been awhile, you would need to look into the journalism record to be sure.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 02:37 pm
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The couple left court without speaking to reporters but issued a statement in English afterward.

“These past two and a half months have been a nightmare for me and my family,” he said. “I want to thank all the friends in France and in the United States who have believed in my innocence, and to the thousands of people who sent us their support personally and in writing. I am most deeply grateful to my wife and family who have gone through this ordeal with me. ...

“We will have nothing further to say about this matter and we look forward to returning to our home and resuming something of a more normal life.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/prosecutors-recommend-dropping-strauss-kahn-charges-say-accuser-repeatedly-lied/2011/08/23/gIQAWXj5XJ_story.html?hpid=z2
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 02:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye I am not the heavy weight camp of the world yet when my ex wife begin to smack me I had no problem stopping her.

Of course then she went to the courts and claimed under oath that I was the one who hit her.

That fact that she would lied about such an act cause me to go to my lawyer and file for divorce at once and I never lay eyes on her afterward.

Second, if it was not for the fact that the court clerk misspell my name on the do not assault order that resulted from her lying if even now 30 years later I would be charge with a crime again some woman they could pull up that order and claimed that it prove that I had a history of being violence toward women.

I happen to know that because I look on the court clerk online records under the misspell name and it was there thirty years later and it was there.

Footnote my lawyer at the time stated it was no big deal and I should not brother to fight the order damn him as I had two witnesses to the attack by her not me.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 03:11 pm
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NYC Earthquake Interrupts Dominique Strauss-Kahn Press Conference
8/23/11

The 5.8 earthquake that hit Virginia and was felt in New York City didn't just rattle offices and houses, it also affected one of the biggest news story of the summer -- the dismissal of charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

It was reported earlier today that DA Cy Vance would be dropping all criminal charges against the embattled IMF chief, and on Tuesday afternoon he took to the podium to announce the news. After months of litigation and speculation, the scandal had finally come to an end. And the news didn't bode well for Vance. Luckily for the DA, his press conference was interrupted by the tremors felt in New York City.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/nyc-earthquake-interrupts_n_934277.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

In the Reuters video on this Web site, you can see the moment when Vance knows something is wrong. Eventually, everyone in the room runs off camera.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/nyc-earthquake-interrupts_n_934277.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

Perhaps there was some cosmic disapproval about the dismissal of the charges... Laughing Vance seems to have everyone else angry at him, including virtually every minority group in the City, about his dropping the case. It's no surprise the ground literally rumbled.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 03:22 pm
@BillRM,
I can see why the feminism sales pitch with the bullet points that men suck and that women dont lie about assault would drive you up the wall. With me it is that my wife, having suffered through abuse as a kid, became an abuser.....and that in my travels I have met so many good men who mated with abuse victims and then suffered abuse from them, much of the time offering little or no relaliation. Don't bother coming to me with stories about how pure women are and about how much men suck, as from my vantage point the scales are a bit reversed. Ophelia is one of a great many, she is not at all unusual.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 03:24 pm
@firefly,
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Vance seems to have everyone else angry at him, including virtually every minority group in the City, about his dropping the case.
Lets not forget about all of those of use who believe that he never should have charged DSK, and that he was way too slow to drop the charges....

Vance fucked up...now he gets to face the music, as is proper.
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