9
   

Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:42 pm
Quote:
One law enforcement official involved in the investigation said no single problematic detail about Ms. Diallo’s background, or even all of them put together, had undermined the prosecution’s faith in its ability to present a viable case. Indeed, the official noted, it is common for witnesses and complainants who testify to be vulnerable to attacks on their credibility, either because their accounts have varied, or because they have self-interested motives for giving evidence, like avoiding jail or, occasionally, winning civil settlements.

In the Strauss-Kahn case, the official said, prosecutors came to believe that Ms. Diallo seemed unwilling to take responsibility for telling the truth.

“We deal with witnesses with these kinds of problems every day,” the official said. “With her, we had to drag the details of the lies out of her over weeks. It might have been different if she had let all the air out in a day or two. Every time she was confronted with her lies, she would blame someone else — someone told her to say this for asylum, someone else took advantage of her bank accounts, someone else did the taxes.”

Besides their legal and ethical responsibilities to disclose Ms. Diallo’s untruths, members of the prosecution team could have been called in a criminal trial to testify about her untrue statements to them — possibly transforming prosecutors into witnesses for the defense.

Asking a jury to believe Ms. Diallo beyond a reasonable doubt had become untenable, according to a senior official involved in the case.

“We couldn’t tell the jury that she kept lying to us but that they should believe her,” the senior official said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/nyregion/strauss-kahn-prosecution-said-to-be-ending.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp
firefly
 
  2  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 01:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
None of this means he didn't sexually assault her.

It simply means they could not take it to trial with such a problematic witness.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 02:04 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

None of this means he didn't sexually assault her.

It simply means they could not take it to trial with such a problematic witness.
there is no way to know what happened, and since we presume innocence we drop the idea that she was assaulted, we leave it with "they had some kind of a sexual interaction that they came away from in disagreement". Your "he might have attacked her but we cant prove it" is not fair to DSK, it is siding with the alleged victim with no basis for doing so other than your prejudice.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 02:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
I should add that if anyone here has the right to wear the "victim" tag it is DSK, as he was absolutely abused by the state, in spite of all the current claims from apologists for the police state claiming that DSK should come away feeling like the process worked, and further claiming that Vance bent over backwards to see that justice prevailed....Vance bent over all right, but he did it for the one running around yelling, crying and spitting, and that he eventually decided he could not live with allowing himself to be reamed by a manipulative lying bitch, and with becoming her axe man as she went after DSK, does not excuse his first instinct to enlist himself and the state of New York in this exercise of injustice..
0 Replies
 
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 03:08 pm
Quote:
Reuters reports that Manhattan district attorney Cyrus Vance filed the paperwork Monday afternoon. DSK is due to appear in court on Tuesday, when a judge is expected to formally grant the request and dismiss the case, NBC New York reports.
The move came shortly after prosecutors met with DSK's accuser, Nafissatou Diallo, on Monday afternoon, presumably to brief her and her lawyers about their decision. Ken Thompson, one of Diallo's lawyer, said that Vance had "turned his back" on the accuser and the evidence.

“The Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance, has denied the right of a woman to get justice in a rape case,” Thompson said, the New York Times reports.. “He has not only turned his back on this victim but he has also turned his back on the forensic, medical and other physical evidence in this case. If the Manhattan district attorney, who is elected to protect our mothers, our daughters, our sisters, our wives and our loved ones, is not going to stand up for them when they’re raped or sexually assaulted, who will?”


http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/08/22/dominique_strauss_kahn_dismissal_da_cyrus_vance_plans_to_ask_jud.html

The large payday promised by the victim culture to those who are willing to cry "RAPE!" has failed to materialize this time....what is the world coming too??
0 Replies
 
firefly
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 03:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
I agree with you that there is no way to know what happened, particularly since there will be no trial.

As you well know, there is a big difference between being legally innocent, and being innocent in terms of how others see you in the court of public opinion--and this is a man with a high public profile--his image does, or should, matter to him.

I've always felt that part of the maid's initial credibility, in the eyes of the hotel staff and law enforcement, was bolstered by DSK's reputation regarding women--which included his being known for somewhat aggressive overtures. I'm not so sure they would have been so fast to believe accusations made against someone without such a reputation. But, her story seemed to dovetail with what was known about him, and that may help to explain why they took him off that plane.

So, I think his reputation, regarding his conduct toward women, wasn't so great before this incident, and now it's even worse, because this incident resulted in massive world-wide publicity about other past questionable actions on his part. And that sort of information would cause many people to view him as being capable of a criminal sexual act.

Her credibility problems don't alter the possibility that he may have assaulted her, and now there won't be a trial to help sort out fact from fiction. Truthfully, I think he would have been better off having a trial and letting his lawyers pulverize her on the witness stand.

I'm not siding with the alleged victim at all. She has definite credibility problems. Some, like her asylum claims, I can understand and overlook--she is uneducated and illiterate and might have relied on bad "expert" advice when she submitted her asylum application. Her inconsistent description of what she did immediately after the alleged assault by DSK I find more troubling, and considerably more relevant to the current case. And I think what the woman and her lawyer did recently, with her round of media interviews, was bizarre in the context of a criminal case.

She seems to be a woman who is easily led around, especially by men, which is consistent with what her brother has said about her background and how she was raised, and now her lawyer is the one leading her around for his own reasons. Unlike you, I really don't see this woman as a crafty schemer, I see her as someone who is easily duped, particularly by men, and probably that includes her male friend who is in jail in Arizona who used her bank accounts. This is not a sophisticated or savvy woman. Truthfully, I don't think she has the smarts to set someone up for a phony sexual assault charge to get money out of him. I'm more inclined to think he did assault her and that someone suggested the idea of money to her afterward.

So, the criminal legal case may be drawing to a close, but that doesn't mean he didn't assault her, it just means she would have been an awful witness at trial, too awful for Vance to risk. But I think DSK would have been better off with a trial that really cleared his name. I've said all along I was waiting for the trial.

And she still has a civil suit against DSK, plus a defamation suit against the NY Post.


BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 04:00 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
and law enforcement, was bolstered by DSK's reputation regarding women--which included his being known for somewhat aggressive overtures. I'm not so sure they would have been so fast to believe accusations made against someone without such a reputation. But, her story seemed to dovetail with what was known about him, and that may help to explain why they took him off that plane.


Well I guess they could had checked out his reputation with the ladies by googling him in the few hours it took before they drag him off the plane.
firefly
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 04:07 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Well I guess they could had checked out his reputation with the ladies by googling him in the few hours it took before they drag him off the plane.

I'm sure the hotel management at the Sofitel was well aware of how he acted toward women. They wouldn't have had to bother doing any Googling. And her account of an assault may well have dovetailed with what they generally knew about him, which would have made her even more credible in their eyes, and they would have conveyed that to the police.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 05:13 pm
Quote:
DNA testing "established that several stains located on the upper portion of the complainant's hotel uniform dress contained semen that yielded the defendant's DNA", the Manhattan District Attorney's Office said.

Evidence was not definitive, but was "consistent with a non-consensual encounter", prosecutors said

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/dsk-and-maid-did-have-sex-prosecutors-20110823-1j7b7.html

BULLSHIT...because it is equally consistent with a consensual blowjob. This vaunted "scientific evidence" is meaningless in this case except to show that they had a sexual interaction, which is legal.
0 Replies
 
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 05:18 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
And she still has a civil suit against DSK
We see if he even bothers to answer it, or if they give her a small amount of money to drop it...I assume that first DSK moves to dismiss.

Quote:
She seems to be a woman who is easily led around, especially by men
that is the role she plays, the victim, as she abuses the system and other people though various manipulation methods....which she has gotten pretty good at through the years. She got you...SUCKER!
BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 05:25 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
I'm sure the hotel management at the Sofitel was well aware of how he acted toward women


You have zero reason to assume that he misbehavior at the hotel unless you call such behaviors as flirting with a female desk person or inviting her up for a drink increased the likelihood that he was a rapist in waiting.

As I was walking out of my gym tonight I told the desk girl that she had a lovely smile, such normal male behaviors as flirting at least in my case does not mean I am planning on cheating on my wife less alone raping someone.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 05:50 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
You have zero reason to assume that he misbehavior at the hotel unless you call such behaviors as flirting with a female desk person or inviting her up for a drink increased the likelihood that he was a rapist in waiting
The company has to my knowledge never said even for unattributed background that there was ever a complaint from either staff or guests about DSK, and he had stayed there 7 times over the last three years that we know of.

Firefly is making the assertion that DSK has acted improperly towards women, which to this point is an assertion that has not been proven.
BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 06:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
that is the role she plays, the victim, as she abuses the system and other people though various manipulation methods....which she has gotten pretty good at through the years
.

You know I never understand the idea that women as a whole are weak will and a push over for any man who come along.

Off hand that maid is anything but weak will or a push over for any man.

Hell if she was not like that she would had likely had die in that hell hole she was born into not gain a fairly high paying job in New York and she also was able to work the system of a foreign country and culture to a Tee in any numbers of ways.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 06:28 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
You know I never understand the idea that women as a whole are weak will and a push over for any man who come along
it is part of the masculine/feminine dance, the female acts weak and retiring and in return she gets to decide how the relationship goes....it is a way to be gentile with men and yet keep control. This has at times gone wrong as both men and women come to believe that women are actually weak, and now it has gone wrong in the women want to stay in control but a great many no longer feel any need to be gentle with men...they are full out spoiled entitled bitches.
0 Replies
 
firefly
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 09:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Firefly is making the assertion that DSK has acted improperly towards women, which to this point is an assertion that has not been proven.

By your standards, probably nothing he has ever done would seem "improper". Laughing

But, according to the women who have publicly complained about his behavior, it does seem his advances are often aggressive, harassing, crude, unwanted, and darn it, "improper". Reputations don't have to be "proven"--they depend on the sorts of things people say about you.
Quote:
Reaction in France to the news on Monday was mixed, with many expressing pleasure with Mr. Vance’s decision but noting that Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s reputation had been damaged, especially among female voters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/nyregion/strauss-kahn-case-should-be-dropped-prosecutors-say.html?pagewanted=2&hp


And he does still have Tristane Banon's formal complaint against him in France.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 10:08 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
But, according to the women who have publicly complained about his behavior, it does seem his advances are often aggressive, harassing, crude, unwanted, and darn it, "improper
If a guy got to be DSK's age without offending some women along the way I would have grave concerns about his character. With as active as this guy has been with the women I am taken more by how few complaints there are about his behavior then I am with the few complaints that we have heard.

Quote:
And he does still have Tristane Banon's formal complaint against him in France.
Ya, which if justice prevails probably should go nowhere, as it is pretty clear what this mother/daughter duo is. Besides, even if you accept her assertions as fact the statutes of limitations have long run out on what he actually did , as trying to make his playful grope into attempted rape is a very long stretch.
0 Replies
 
firefly
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 10:44 pm
This just about sums it up...

Quote:
As Ugly as the DSK Affair Was, the Justice System Worked
By Andrew Cohen
Aug 22 2011,

The rape case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn effectively ended nearly two months ago, the day prosecutors disclosed in great detail to defense attorneys (and to The New York Times) the broad concerns they had come to have about the alleged victim's credibility. What has happened between then and now -- the public remonstrations, the publicity campaigns, the civil lawsuit, the political posturing -- is just the messy deconstruction of the apparatus of a high-profile criminal case in the 21st century.

The roadies, indeed, still are not quite off the stage. Even as New York prosecutors Monday were formally asking a judge to dismiss the charges against Strauss-Kahn, the lawyer for his accuser, Nafissatou Diallo, was said to be asking the judge to appoint a new prosecutor, a special prosecutor, to carry the case forward. That ain't gonna happen -- a district attorney gets to pick the case he wants to prosecute -- but you can't blame the alleged victim's lawyer for trying to take advantage of the last huge news cycle this fading story is ever likely to see. Besides, the criminal case is so... August 19th. The goal now is to effect the court of public opinion for the next fight: the civil lawsuit.

There are no winners here -- there never are in sexual assault cases. The alleged victim now must fight on alone against Strauss-Kahn, in a civil case, without the benefit of prosecutors and the weight of state action. Even if she prevails at trial as a plaintiff, even if she ultimately forces Strauss-Kahn under oath to account for his actions, it would likely be years before she receives any money from him. And if she settles the case before trial, and cashes out more quickly, she'll likely never get any sort of a public apology, whether she is owed one or not. Now that the criminal case is all but gone, she's lost the hammer-hold; and everyone in the case knows it.

Strauss-Kahn avoids hard time in a state penitentiary. At his age, 62, he might have received what amounted to a life sentence if he were convicted of the most serious charges against him. But he has suffered grave professional harm as a result of his alleged conduct and is likely on the hook for millions of dollars in legal fees or should he lose the civil case or seek a settlement to avoid testifying in open court. Moreover, the episode in New York seems to have made Strauss-Kahn vulnerable to claims from other women. He may spend the next ten years fighting all this out in courts all over the world.

Prosecutors and the police, meanwhile, come away from this episode looking like overeager fools for arresting Strauss-Kahn, amid much fanfare, after he had boarded a flight to France. They should have conducted more of their investigation before they formally charged the former chief of the International Monetary Fund. They should have been more quick in evaluating the information given to them by the alleged victim. They should have been more sensitive to the language barrier that cropped up in this case. They should have done this and they should have done that. But just imagine the uproar that would have occurred in Manhattan and the outer boroughs had law enforcement officials let Strauss-Kahn take that flight to Paris.

The Law took a shot that the Strauss-Kahn case was stronger and less nuanced than it turned out to be. Officers arrested first and asked questions later, like law enforcement officials do all the time all over the country. You can blame Manhattan district attorney Cyrus Vance for that. You can blame the cops, too. But the fact is that the two people hurt most by this misfeasance were Strauss-Kahn and Diallo, the two individuals at the heart of the story. He was perp walked and then sent to jail, where he was subjected to humiliating leaks by law enforcement officials. Her credibility was publicly eviscerated. Everyone else in this narrative is just a spectator, including journalists, many of whom acted atrociously in covering this story.

Soon, perhaps in a few months, we'll hear word of a confidential settlement between Strauss-Kahn and his accuser. There are simply too many reasons for this to occur for it not to occur. Whatever political aspirations Strauss-Kahn may still have, for example, would be gravely wounded by the details of his civil deposition (never mind his trial testimony). It is true that his attorneys again declared his "innocence" Monday in crowing about the dismissal of the charges. But prosecutors didn't recommend dropping the charges against Strauss-Kahn because they necessarily believe he is innocent. They did so because they don't think they can win their case. In law and in life, that's a big difference.

No one ever said the criminal justice system is pretty, or perfect, or capable of always delivering a narrative that has a clear beginning, middle, and end. There is no legal right to a happy ending -- or even a dispositive one. The leavening truth here is that the Constitution worked pretty much the way it is supposed to work in these circumstances. Under the Supreme Court's precedent in Brady v. Maryland, prosecutors have a duty to share with defense attorneys any exculpatory evidence they find. This the prosecutors did, to their eternal credit. Moreover, a district attorney has an ethical obligation not to try a case he or she doesn't believe can be won. This, too, the district attorney considered.

That these rules are not always popular makes them no less valuable. That they didn't generate the sort of resolution we all wanted, one way or the other, doesn't mean that they have failed us -- or Diallo or Strauss-Kahn. Thus ends a purely American lesson in the rule of law for a French man and a Guinean woman who, unfortunately for both, crossed paths early one spring morning in a hotel room in New York City.

Andrew Cohen - Andrew Cohen has served as chief legal analyst and legal editor for CBS News and won a Murrow Award as one of the nation's leading legal analysts and commentators.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/08/as-ugly-as-the-dsk-affair-was-the-justice-system-worked/243984/


hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 11:14 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
As Ugly as the DSK Affair Was, the Justice System Worked
So long as you dont mind that a guy lost his job and his chance to be president of France because the State of New York decided to go after him with nothing to justify the attack but the say so of a lying manipulative bitch......

Justice delayed is justice denied. Getting to the right answer three months after attacking DSK IS NOT ******* GOOD ENOUGH

EDIT: Compare how NY has treated DSK with how France is doing it...France is having a full investigation, they are making an effort to find out what the truth is before they issue an arrest warrant. Makes sense, no?
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 11:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
"No one with half a brain would ever put her on the stand," Diallo's papers quote lead Assistant DA Joan Illuzzi-Orbon telling Thompson on June 9

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/da_blasts_maid_as_faker_FDIKoGW4xLJBCKs08Y4jsI#ixzz1VpNsCz1P


And yet if he is released tomorrow it will have taken the State of New York another 45 days to set DSK free....THAT IS FUCKED UP! There was no case without her testimony, her credible testimony, Vance had no just cause to take away DSK's freedom at THAT point.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 12:28 am
@hawkeye10,
HELLO!

Vance fucked DSK over for 75 days...if DSK had been set free when he should have he would be a leading candidate for the French presidency right now......
 

Related Topics

T'Pring is Dead - Discussion by Brandon9000
Another Calif. shooting spree: 4 dead - Discussion by Lustig Andrei
Before you criticize the media - Discussion by Robert Gentel
Fatal Baloon Accident - Discussion by 33export
The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - Discussion by bobsal u1553115
Robin Williams is dead - Discussion by Butrflynet
Amanda Knox - Discussion by JTT
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.06 seconds on 04/28/2025 at 03:27:04