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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2011 10:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
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This dramatic turn of events is no less than a meltdown for the New York District Attorney's Office. Prosecutors have apparently committed glaring errors in judgment, making a mockery of their proud American tradition of "innocent until proven guilty" -- of publicly trying suspects, regardless of their rank in society, and demonstrating their guilt in a court of law. If the reports turn out to be true, prosecutors have maneuvered themselves into a scandal that will likely itself become the subject of investigations. Indeed, perhaps without due justification, they may have ruined the professional and personal reputation of one of the world's most powerful financial managers and a potential French presidential candidate.

Right from the start, New York prosecutors presented their case with a forceful persuasiveness. They didn't leave a shred of doubt about the credibility of the alleged victim or the substance of her allegations. The chambermaid was described to the world as a devout Muslim woman and the hard-working, single mother of a teenage daughter. They said that this immigrant from the West African country of Guinea had never done anything wrong and had led a modest and honorable life. That was how the state, and its prosecutors, portrayed her. The prosecution drew on the victim's pitiful weakness to muster strength against Strauss-Kahn.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,772156,00.html
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 12:38 am
@hawkeye10,
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The chambermaid was described to the world as a devout Muslim woman and the hard-working, single mother of a teenage daughter. They said that this immigrant from the West African country of Guinea had never done anything wrong and had led a modest and honorable life. That was how the state, and its prosecutors, portrayed her. The prosecution drew on the victim's pitiful weakness to muster strength against Strauss-Kahn.


Remember Hawkeye how Firefly eat such claims up with great joy?

Evil rich, powerful and old French man forcing himself on poor, hardworking and religion maid!!!!

Lord she loves every bit of such a concept never allowing herself to think how unlikely such an attack on a random maid in a hotel suit register to him would in fact be.

A sixty-two years old international banker coming out of a shower is overcome with lust upon seeing this woman and force himself on this poor hard working maid who just accidentally happen to be in his room.

Forcing his penis in her mouth of all things on top of that.

Firefly have a religion conviction that all men are rapists in waiting so I guess we need to understand why she could not see that such a story on it face seems highly unlikely.

Lord how awful if must be for Firefly to live in a world where half the human race and by far the more physical powerful half of the human race is just waiting for some sexual trigger to turn on her.

Held back only barely by threats of imprisonment and her and her sisters conditioning of those evil beasts that are men.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 12:51 am
@BillRM,
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Pop the champagne, DSK.
Prosecutors will agree to drop the charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn -- either on his next court date in two weeks or even sooner, according to a top investigator in the case who called the eventual dismissal "a certainty."
"We all know this case is not sustainable," the source told The Post exclusively yesterday.
"Her credibility is so bad now, we know we cannot sustain a case with her," the source said, referring to the Guinean hotel maid who accused Strauss-Kahn of trying to rape her in his plush Midtown hotel suite -- shocking charges that got the international banker bounced as head of the IMF and also derailed, at least for now, his bid to become president of France.
"She is not to be believed in anything that comes out of her mouth -- which is a shame, because now we may never know what happened in that hotel room," said the source, who is at the center of the investigation and would speak only on the condition of anonymity.
"Did [Strauss-Kahn] use force? Was there actually a crime? I don't think we'll ever know."
Meanwhile, defense sources described a different scenario, in which DSK admittedly engaged with the maid in a consensual, sex-for-money exchange in his Sofitel suite, with no force involved -- and she turned against him only when he stiffed her.
"In the past, guests have left stuff for her," meaning money, one source close to the defense investigation said last night. "She goes back to look for the money," and is disappointed, the source said. Also likely irking the maid? "His dismissive nature," said the source.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/da_set_to_drop_charges_vs_dsk_RWftbQcr6Xw3clMsm6zNWJ#ixzz1RD9RdYlu


that makes perfect sense...that she went to clean another room, that she waited to see if DSK left the cash, and that she regularly performs sexual services for guests. She is going to get fired now, no doubt about it, and no payday from DSK, none from the hotel, no movie deal and no book deal.

HAPPY DAYS!
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 01:03 am
@hawkeye10,
The best we can hope for I guess is that this woman get fired as bringing false charges and lying under oath is no big deal for a woman to do if it aim at an evil man.

After all if DSK did not rape that woman surely he had raped the reporter ten years ago and or others women and gotten away with it.

So no big deal if he have his life turn upside down by this maid and by a DA looking to make a big name for himself.

After all as Firefly had stated in others such similar situations it was not the maid who have him jail it was the state so why punish her.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 02:11 am
@BillRM,
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The best we can hope for I guess is that this woman get fired
NO, the best we can hope for is that Vance is forced to resign....he is the problem here, incompetence in his office is the problem here which he is responsible for. Cyrus Vance JR is the problem, he is the perpetrator of injustice, Ophelia is just a garden variety scheming bitch, which the system must expect to run up against and must be prepared to neutralize.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 02:33 am
@BillRM,
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After all if DSK did not rape that woman surely he had raped the reporter ten years ago and or others women and gotten away with it.
Do you really think that Tristane is going to file? She has already backed down twice, and I certainly believe it is her mother who is pushing her now but both mother and daughter have skeletons to worry about, and there is no chance that the French are ready to quietly put up with another woman with credibility problems going after DSK. In the case of Ophelia it was for money, in the case of this mother daughter team it is spite for having been rejected by the French. If they continue this project of trying to ruin DSK they will fail, and they will instead finish the job of ruining the family name. France is not America, they dont put up with letting bitches string up men by the balls for sport.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 02:42 am
@hawkeye10,
Our DA has absolutely no reason to resign. He's already fired the assistant DA who created this mess and the case of People v. Strauss-Kahn, 2526/11, Supreme Court of the State of New York, New York County (Manhattan) is effectively DOA as the only prosecution witness can't be put on the stand.

Whatever charges may be brought against Strauss-Kahn by Ms Banon will be judged under French law which is no concern of ours, but is interesting in that the moment she files charges he can file countercharges for "calumny" - not an option under our law as far as I know. From today's French press:
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Dominique Strauss-Kahn "a pris connaissance de l'intention de Mme Tristane Banon de déposer plainte à son encontre". Il évoque des faits "imaginaires" et a chargé ses avocats français Me Henri Leclerc et son associée Me Frédérique Baulieu "de rédiger une plainte en dénonciation calomnieuse".

(summary translation: the intention of Ms Banon to file charges is noted and refers to "imaginary" facts; the French lawyers Mr Leclerc and his associate Ms Baulieu are instructed to "file countercharges for calumnious denunciation").
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 02:56 am
@High Seas,
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. He's already fired the assistant DA who created this mess
WHom are you speaking of? He fired the lead of the sex crimes unit, a person whom argued loudly against charging DSK. So far as I know those who won the day are still on the job.
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 03:12 am
@hawkeye10,
The fired assistant DA is the one who kept the police investigators away from Nafissatou Diallo and who supported her lawyer Thompson when he went on French TV to seek "in France or in Africa" (sic) other "assault victims" (sic) of Strauss-Kahn. Is such an appeal in a foreign country even legal? I'm not sure.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01916/Kenneth-Thompson_1916346c.jpg
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 03:23 am
@High Seas,
So we still dont know who you are talking about......but Vance fires a lot of people, but it does not appear that his office is functioning very well, which at the end of the day is what really matters

Quote:
NY Post 1/25/10

The assistant district attorney at the helm of multiple prosecutions in the fatal 2007 fire at the former Deutsche Bank Building will retire next month -- throwing the future of the high-profile cases in doubt, a source said.

Patrick Dugan -- who was stripped of his position as chief of the investigations division by newly sworn in Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. -- will step down in February.

Dugan, a 36-year veteran of the DA's office, ran the investigation into the August 2007 blaze at the condemned Ground Zero eyesore that claimed the lives of two firefighters.

Although the city itself escaped indictment, three construction supervisors and the contracting firm, John Galt Corp., face manslaughter and other charges in connection to the blaze.

"Pat ran that show," one former prosecutor said. "He didn't share everything with the others working on the case, and cases often suffer when such a hands-on, lead prosecutor is replaced so close to trial."

Dugan confirmed his impending retirement but declined to comment.

Vance spokesman Erin Duggan said, "The Deutsche Bank fire case is a priority case for the district attorney."

http://www.thebravest.com/FDNYNewsArchiveDown/10/01/25b.htm

And just to refresh your memory, this case is one of many high profile disasters for Vance. The DSK debacle should be the end of the line for Vance.
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 03:31 am
@hawkeye10,
Prosecutions are like that - win some, lose some. You don't know the man, I do, and (even though he's a Democrat) I support him and think he does a good job. I wish this French concept of "calumnious denunciation" (see above) was available to us as well, btw - it would save the DA from prosecuting for perjury.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 03:36 am
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

Prosecutions are like that - win some, lose some. You don't know the man, I do, and (even though he's a Democrat) I support him and think he does a good job. I wish this French concept of "calumnious denunciation" (see above) was available to us as well, btw - it would save the DA from prosecuting for perjury.
But the fact the Vance keeps hooking his wagon to loser cases, and that his office is in such disarray, indicates something else is going on here....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 03:42 am
@hawkeye10,
Somebody who agrees with HS

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A young immigrant woman, lacking privilege and money, alleges that she was raped while on the job. She reports the incident soon after it takes place. There is semen on her clothes and bruises on her body. She tells her story with such conviction that, according to The Times, seasoned investigators cry when they hear it.

The man she says raped her — wealthy, famous and powerful — is on an airplane about to depart for his native land. This is the same country that, for decades, helped shield Roman Polanski from being prosecuted for statutory rape in the United States. The man in the current case appears to have left the hotel where the rape allegedly occurred in some haste. He even forgets to take one of his cellphones.

With no time to spare, detectives lure him off the plane and arrest him. When he is questioned, he refuses to talk about the incident, having already “lawyered up.” He is forced to do the “perp walk,” and spends the next five days in jail, at which point he is indicted. (Under New York law, if prosecutors don’t indict him within five days, they have to release him on his own recognizance.) Once out on bail, he is placed under house arrest, in a $200,000-a-month TriBeCa townhouse. The New York tabloids mock him mercilessly.

Now that the man can’t flee, prosecutors turn their attention to the alleged victim. They begin investigating her background, knowing that the case hinges on her credibility. In just six weeks — an extraordinarily short time, as these things go — they put together a devastating profile of her past, filled with troubling inconsistencies, outright lies and the possibility that she hopes to profit from her alleged ordeal.

The prosecutors waste no time divulging these exculpatory facts to the man’s lawyers. Then, in open court, they tell the judge what they’ve found. He releases the man from house arrest. Though the case is not yet abandoned, it almost surely will be.

You know what I’ve just described, of course: l’affaire D.S.K. In the days since Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s stunning reversal of fortune, many Frenchmen have howled at the injustice of it all: “This vision of Dominique Strauss-Kahn humiliated in chains, dragged lower than the gutter,” as the French writer (and D.S.K. friend) Bernard-Henri Lévy put it — all because Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan district attorney, chose to believe “a hotel chambermaid” over an esteemed member of the French political establishment.

In America, meanwhile, the case’s collapse has brought sniping from former prosecutors and white-collar defense attorneys, who have criticized Vance for indicting Strauss-Kahn before he knew more about the victim’s background.

For the life of me, though, I can’t see what Vance did wrong. Quite the contrary. The woman alleged rape, for crying out loud, which was backed up by physical (and other) evidence. She had no criminal record. Her employer vouched for her. The quick decision to indict made a lot of sense, both for legal and practical reasons. Then, as the victim’s credibility crumbled, Vance didn’t try to pretend that he still had a slam dunk, something far too many prosecutors do. He acknowledged the problems.

Lévy, himself a member of the French elite, seems particularly incensed that Vance wouldn’t automatically give Strauss-Kahn a pass, given his extraordinary social status. Especially since his accuser had no status at all.

But that is exactly why Vance should be applauded: a woman with no power made a credible accusation against a man with enormous power. He acted without fear or favor. To have done otherwise would have been to violate everything we believe in this country about no one being above the law.

As for Strauss-Kahn’s humiliation, clearly something very bad happened in that hotel room. Quite possibly a crime was committed. Strauss-Kahn’s sordid sexual history makes it likely that he was the instigator. If the worst he suffers is a perp walk, a few days in Rikers Island and some nasty headlines, one’s heart ought not bleed. Ah, yes, and he had to resign as the chief of an institution where sexual harassment was allegedly rampant, thanks, in part, to a culture he helped perpetuate. Gee, isn’t that awful?

The point is this: We live in a country that professes to treat everyone equally under the law. So often we fall short. The poor may go unheard; the rich walk. Yet here is a case that actually lives up to our ideal of who we like to think we are. Even the way the case appears to be ending speaks to our more noble impulses. Vance didn’t dissemble or delay or hide the truth about the victim’s past. He did the right thing, painful though it surely must have been.

To judge by his recent writings, Bernard-Henri Lévy prefers to live in a country where the elites are rarely held to account, where crimes against women are routinely excused with a wink and a nod and where people without money or status are treated like the nonentities that the French moneyed class believe they are.

I’d rather live here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05nocera.html?_r=1&ref=cyrusrvancejr

POint one we dont know that anything happened in that hotel room other than a sex worker did not get paid so she got pissed and tried to jam up the John and
point two is does not matter what we or the DA knows, it only matters what can be proven to a jury.

point three, DSK was willing to give the court any level of proof that he would return to face judgment, so there was no need to charge him

POint four..what this case proves is that America does not practice equality....alleged victims are not even close to being equal to alleged abusers.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 04:35 am
@hawkeye10,
Point five he could had likely been stop from leaving by giving him the choice between a formal arrest or being held somewhere for a few days until the matter could be check out.

There was also zero and I mean zero reason to march him in front of the cameras in handcuffs!!!!!!!!!

Where was the damn State Department when a very important citizen of another country and head of the IMF was being drag off a plane and march before cameras?????
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wayne
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 05:11 am
What we have here are 2 people whose ethics are less than stellar.
At the very least, the evidence points to an episode of prostitution, which is illegal in most of the USA.

Strauss Kahn's importance, or not, has no bearing on the matter. Our justice system is not supposed to care, Vance made a decision according to the evidence available.
It's too bad Kahn got paraded before the camera's, but he ain't the first, and won't be the last.
His own previous behavior makes him look far worse than anything the DA's office did to him.
An important position doesn't make anyone important, we can all be replaced.

Something happened in that hotel room, we'll never be sure exactly what.
Both parties are reaping what they've sown.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 06:11 am
@wayne,
NONSENSE we grant as all nations on earth does diplomatic immunity from our laws because our international relationships and well being as a nation come first not second to our criminal code.

Yes there was a loop hole in this case that allow the New York police to do what they did to DSK however it was not wise thing to do or a needed thing to do.

The matter could had been handle far better then it was handle not for the benefit of DSK but for the benefit of the US as a nation so we would not end up looking like barbarians fools to the rest of the world.

The world is not going to look at the office of the local DA and blame him but at the US as a whole nation and this sad and silly story does not do credit to our nation.

One other comment doing a perp walk for anyone who is just charge with a crime should be outlaw at all levels of our government as it is an attempted by the state to get around the idea that all men/women are presume to be innocent unless proven in a court to be otherwise.
wayne
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 06:29 am
@BillRM,
Diplomatic immunity isn't even a part of the issue.
DSK is not a diplomat. You're arguing special treatment for DSK by using a non-sequitur.
DSK is subject to the laws of this country, regardless of anyone else's opinion.

I'll agree with you that the perp walk shouldn't be allowed, but let's be honest about the facilitators of such practice, the media.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 06:50 am
@wayne,
Sorry dear heart but such immunity is granted for others beside diplomatists and he did indeed have diplomatic immunity with a loop hole that he was in the country visiting his daughter so his form of diplomatic immunity only cover him if he had been in the country on IMF business or at least partly so.

And no as head of the international IMF fund at a time of international economics crisis he should not had been treated as anyone else would have been and once more not for his benefit but for our benefits.

One other comment our laws are out of balance where any woman can go for the gold and falsely charge any high profile man with sexual assault with the up side of perhaps winning a great deal of $$$$$$ and almost zero downside as they are seldom charge with a crime for doing so and when they are the punishment is mostly a slap on the wrist.


wayne
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 07:31 am
@BillRM,
No matter how you try to twist it to suit your agenda, DSK did not have diplomatic immunity. You obviously don't understand diplomatic immunity very well. It goes with the job, not the man.

The district attorneys office doesn't answer to international economics, but to the people of the USA.

Quote:
ne other comment our laws are out of balance where any woman can go for the gold and falsely charge any high profile man with sexual assault with the up side of perhaps winning a great deal of $$$$$$ and almost zero downside as they are seldom charge with a crime for doing so and when they are the punishment is mostly a slap on the wrist.


This is patently ridiculous, just where is your proof that this has been the case here?
You are hypocritically convicting this woman, after you just complained of the perp walk convicting DSK.
It's obvious you care nothing for truth, only your agenda.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 09:24 am
@hawkeye10,
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POint one we dont know that anything happened in that hotel room other than a sex worker did not get paid so she got pissed and tried to jam up the John

No, you don't know that. There is no credible, documented evidence that the hotel maid was "a sex worker"--those are unsubstantiated smears or "leaks" which have appeared only in the NY Post, attributed mainly to "unknown sources close to the defense", clearly designed to try to portray DSK as innocent of any wrong doing, even if they have to lie about the maid to do that.

You don't know what happened in that hotel suite.

And you seem to have no interest in seeking the truth of what happened in that hotel suite since you so eagerly pounce on such unsubstantiated smears/"leaks" in order to bolster your contention that DSK is an innocent martyred victim.
But, if you don't want to see him convicted or smeared without a trial, the same holds true for his accuser--there is thus far no credible evidence to support the contention that she lied about being sexually assaulted by him.

And, as far as DSK being an innocent victim, as you maintain, you should really stop and think about why a man, with so much to lose, would suddenly decide, on the spur of the moment, to have "consensual" sex with an unknown woman who entered his hotel suite to clean it, given all the possible risks of such an encounter? If he actually was stupid enough to have done something that risky, it's hard to see him as an innocent victim of anything. If you walk into traffic without looking, you aren't an innocent victim if you get hit by a truck.

All we know for sure is that some sort of sexual contact took place between these two people in that hotel suite--but we do not know for certain the circumstances or nature of that sexual contact.
 

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