Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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I have not seen any news reports attesting to when the reservation was mad
At the hearing defense had a copy of an IMF document that asserted as much, which was prepared days before the events.

He was scheduled to meet with Angela Merkel in Germany on Sunday, and she had to cancel their meeting after she heard about his arrest. Wonder why he decided to go to France instead? At least that's what has been reported...that he was pulled off a plane headed for Paris.

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@hawkeye10,

Lord can you just picture the whole EU community if our treatment of this innocent until proven guilt man results in his suicide!!!!!!!!!

I do not think that allowing this sadly normal extra legal pressure on the man to plea out is at all wise.

Could be this whole situation and how the rest of the first world is viewing our so call justice system will result in some beneficial changes.

Hopefully however not at the cost of either this man life or sanity.

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Strauss-Kahn was placed on a suicide watch "as a precaution" after he was interviewed by a member of the mental health staff at Rikers Island today. So, now he will be even more closely watched, to prevent him from harming himself. As a consequence, he was given a jail uniform to wear (no belt, harder to rip into strips), and items like shoelaces, and anything else he could hurt himself with, were taken from him. Given the stress he is under, a suicide watch seems like a justifiable precaution. Basically, it means that someone will look into his cell and check on him at least once every twenty minutes. He probably is in a location where he can be almost continuously observed anyway, so this may be more of a formality than anything else. The one thing they are determined to do is keep him safe--from other inmates, and himself, if necessary.

And the hotel maid he is accused of sexually assaulting has had her life completely upended, according to her lawyer who I just saw on a cable news show. She has been unable to return to her home, and she has had to separate from her 15 year old daughter because of the intense publicity. Her lawyer said she had never heard of Strauss-Kahn, and she did not become aware of who is, and the media frenzy around his arrest, until the day after she reported the alleged assaults. Before she had entered his room to clean it, a male hotel worker had told her the room was unoccupied. According to her lawyer, she is very emotionally shaken by both the assaults and the situation she has suddenly found herself in.
And they wonder why women are reluctant to report sexual assaults?

Her lawyer did not mention it, but I read elsewhere that the maid is a devout Muslim who wears a headscarf. If that is true, it might make Strauss-Kahn's defense of a "consensual" encounter even harder to sell to a jury.

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@BillRM,

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I do not think that allowing this sadly normal extra legal pressure on the man to plea out is at all wise.

It is not just with Americans or in the "justice" system that we beat down individuals with lies for the purposes of the state, we are currently on a major mission to trash Osama's reputation with his followers, and we have whole psy-ops units in the military which have as their major purpose spreading lies for profit.

America's claims for moral superiority slip another notch in credibility.

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@firefly,

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And the hotel maid he is accused of sexually assaulting has had her life completely upended, according to her lawyer who I just saw on a cable news show. She has been unable to return to her home, and she has had to separate from her 15 year old daughter because of the intense publ

And we should therefore punish him before he is found guilt of causing her any harm?

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@firefly,

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maid is a devout Muslim who wears a headscarf.

LOL so devout Muslims and devout Christians and devout Jews and whatever never had sexual affairs or one night stands etc?

Why am I rolling on the floor..........................

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@BillRM,

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LOL so devout Muslims and devout Christians and devout Jews and whatever never had sexual affairs or one night stands etc?

My first thought when I found out that she is muslim yesterday, after I had seen a French TV online poll that had over 60% thinking that DSK was set up by his French foes, what that if I were given the job to make a sting happen I would pick a very sexy young black woman from Ghana, who claims to be a devout Muslim as the pigeon.

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@firefly,

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Her lawyer said she had never heard of Strauss-Kahn, and she did

A maid with a lawyer within days or less.....................

One wonder how he is planning on mining this situation for $$$$$$$

Civil suit?

Selling her story to some tabloid or other.........

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@BillRM,

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LOL so devout Muslims and devout Christians and devout Jews and whatever never had sexual affairs or one night stands etc?

Suddenly, in the middle of the day, while they were working, and immediately after they had entered what they believed was an unoccupied room to clean it?
Most women wouldn't suddenly leap into a sexual encounter with a total stranger under such circumstances, and I'd wager that a very devout Muslim, Catholic, or Jewish woman would be even less likely to do so.

Consider the fact that this woman, who reported the incident immediately, had enough credibility that the cops went to the airport and took Strauss-Kahn off that plane.

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@firefly,

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Suddenly, in the middle of the day, while they were working, and immediately after they had entered what they believed was an unoccupied room to clean it?
Most women wouldn't suddenly leap into a sexual encounter with a total stranger under such circumstances, and I'd wager that a very devout Muslim, Catholic, or Jewish woman would be even less likely to do so.

That seem to be her unproven story from the newspapers.

I wonder why we need to even give the gentleman a trial as we have the maid word for what happen after all.

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@BillRM,

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That seem to be her unproven story from the newspapers.

What's unproven--she was working that day, she had worked in that hotel for 3 years, and she entered that suite to clean it--because that was her job.

And the forensic evidence apparently indicates some physical contact took place between the two parties. So, there is no reason to doubt her story based on what we know thus far. There is physical evidence supporting her report.

The rest is for a jury to decide--and the trial will reveal all the evidence, as well as the defense arguments against it.

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@hawkeye10,

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Another move at humiliation...DKS kill himself??!!, the concept is laughable. This case is moving further into the likelihood of being the cause of long lasting problems in the relationship between the EU and USA. Much more of this and OBAMA should seriously consider ending it, by removing jurisdiction from NY by having the state department and DOJ claim diplomatic immunity.

What makes the concept laughable in your eyes? A few days ago he was looking forward to being the Socialist candidate for President of France with at least an excellent chance of defeating the incumbent. Now that appears gone forever. Moreover folks are coming out of the woodwork with other allegations of past misbehavior. He has lost a lot very quickly. It is easy to believe the motivation of the NY police as wishing to avoid the tragedy of a suicide in their custody, but very hard to rationalize a conspiracy to humiliate him. Why do you so prefer farfetched and implausible explanations to the obvious ones?

Our constitution does not give President Obama the power to inilaterally take jurisdiction from the sovereign state of New York, or to insist on immunity in cases where. by establisherd law none exists.

You appear to have a strange preference for fantasy to easily discoverable facts and obvious interpretations of them.

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@BillRM,

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And we should therefore punish him before he is found guilt of causing her any harm?

Did you mean "guilty" ?

The only ones here suggesting that we should abandon legal due process and make a preemptory judgment with respect to his guilt or inocence here are you and Hawkeye.

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@georgeob1,

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The only ones here suggesting that we should abandon legal due process and make a preemptory judgment with respect to his guilt or inocence here are you and Hawkeye.

Oh would you like to try to back up your statement by either ones of our postings?

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@georgeob1,

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but very hard to rationalize a conspiracy to humiliate him. Why do you so prefer farfetched and implausible explanations to the obvious ones?

Because if you and I read the evidence differently then it must be that your interpretation is right and mine is wrong, right?

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Our constitution does not give President Obama the power to inilaterally take jurisdiction from the sovereign state of New York, or to insist on immunity in cases where. by establisherd law none exists.

As if that matters, the Federal government runs over the states everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, they dont give a damn what the Constitution says. So long as the Supremes do not object, and they usually do not, the National Government can does does do what ever they want to do.

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@georgeob1,

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Our constitution does not give President Obama the power to inilaterally take jurisdiction from the sovereign state of New York, or to insist on immunity in cases where. by establisherd law none exists.

The constitution for example grant him the unlimited power of pardon so he can indeed interfere with the state of New York if he wish to as the Federal government is the overriding sovereign under our system.

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@BillRM,

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The constitution for example grant him the unlimited power of pardon so he can indeed interfere with the state of New York if he wish to as the Federal government is the overriding sovereign under our system.

State governments were according to the Constitution supposed to have major autonomy from the Federal Government, but that is gone. The the Feds come in and say "adopt these laws or no Highway money for you" or "no education money to include student loans for you" and so on and so on ....DOJ rights the laws and hands them out to the states for rubber stamping. Anyone who comes around here claiming that the Feds cant to something because of the Constitution has not been paying attention. Washington has over the years systematically amassed a large store of power, and they are not shy about using it, the rights of the citizens be damned.

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@BillRM,

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Oh would you like to try to back up your statement by either ones of our postings?

Part of due process, under our system, is that someone be detained in a correctional facility while they are awaiting trial, if a judge feels they might be a significant flight risk to evade prosecution.

Both you and Hawkeye have argued he doesn't belong in jail. But, he does, because that was the judicial determination at his bail hearing--which was part of his due process.

The man is accused of several, first degree, violent felonies, and, regardless of presumption of innocence (which applies to his legal status at trial), the police, and the department of corrections, must also regard him as guilty, in terms of the security measures they must take with him, because that is part of their obligation in protecting the public from someone who might have committed such crimes. Obviously, they arrested him because they believed he was guilty. That fact seems to escape both you and Hawkeye.

You're both regarding him as harmless--that's why you don't think he should be sitting in a jail cell right now.

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@firefly,

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You're both regarding him as harmless--that's why you don't think he should be sitting in a jail cell right now

He has been harmless, and the claims against him are out of character so I dont make too much of them until I see the evidence and hear both of their stories.

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@firefly,

Sorry but except for capital crimes Firefly people are entitle to bail including rape and the others charges you had listed unless it can be shown that there are good reasons to denial bail.

The reasoning behind this is you are not suppose to be able to punish someone before he or she is convicted of a crime.

Now the issue here is he a a flight risk and given the situation he is not a flight risk unless you can show us how a man who most to the world know his face and without travel papers are going to be able to leave the US and reach France.

We all know that he will be getting bail and all the state is doing is slowing down the granting of bail to place extra legal pressure on him to plea out or if they extra lucky he will suicide.

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