Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@hawkeye10,

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One does not need to be convicted of a crime to be released from employment for cause, even in the North on a Union job. Certainly you are not so ignorant as to not know this....

Well, then it's a good thing that DSK resigned from the IMF, because, otherwise, they should have fired him immediately--no need to wait for a conviction. And, given his past reputation for aggressive and harassing behaviors toward women,, maybe he should never have gotten his job at the IMF...

I fail to see how her past behavior outside of work should affect her employment at the moment--she has a good work record at her job and the Sofitel hasn't reported any problems with her for the three years she's worked there. On the other hand, DSK was the subject of an internal investigation at the IMF and was found guilty of a serious error in judgment for his affair with a subordinate...who accused him of pressuring her into the relationship...hmmm...sexual harassment in the workplace...

Why don't you just call for a public lynching of the maid-- but be sure to put on your white sheet with the pointy hood first.

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@firefly,

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I fail to see how her past behavior outside of work should affect her employment at the moment

Lying to the police about an alleged crime on the property should be enough to get rid of her, if not that then all they need is one guest to write a statement that she took money for sex while on the clock.

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@firefly,

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--she has a good work record at her job and the Sofitel hasn't reported any problems with her for the three years she's worked there.

Most employers do not desire people willing to committed felonies as employees even outside of work and the hotel have a duty to offer at least some protection for their guests.

Second the felony in question concern her lying about her actions during her work at the hotel and that is more then enough reason to fired her.

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@BillRM,

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Posters with handcuffs might be your idea of how to teach about a complex law

I know your thinking leans heavily toward the simplistic, but even you can't be dumb enough to think that all they do is put up posters with pictures of handcuffs.

The exact sexual assault laws of the state in which a college or university is located are posted on every college Web site, the same material is distributed on campus in printed form, and it is discussed with in-coming students.

The same information is also transmitted to high school students.

What world do you live in? The public is very informed about the sexual assault laws and exactly what they say. And there is no great public outcry about them.

And DSK should have been aware of the laws in NYC because the laws in France are similar.

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PS sane sexual assault laws should not be complex

They're not. They are no more complex than the traffic laws. Most of them are a single simple sentence long. Anyone of average intelligence can easily understand them--but that might explain why you have difficulty. Laughing

The average person understands the meaning of "consent". I'm sure DSK does.

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@firefly,

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I know your thinking leans heavily toward the simplistic, but even you can't be dumb enough to think that all they do is put up posters with pictures of handcuffs.

Oh you posted such an example of a college program anti- rape poster in the beginning of the rape thread as a matter of fact.

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They knew she was lying -- but the bosses didn't want to hear it.
Two top sex-crimes specialists on the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case had serious doubts about his accuser's credibility almost from the moment she reported an attack -- but they were booted from the investigation because of office politics.
Lisa Friel, then chief of the Manhattan DA's Sex Crimes Unit, and a senior investigator with the unit were tossed off the case after an internal battle over how to proceed, and less-experienced replacements ignored their concerns in a rush to present evidence to a grand jury, said multiple sources familiar with the rift.

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Lisa Friel worked as sex-crimes chief under DA Cy Vance.
Friel, who plans to step down on Sept. 1, had grown concerned about discrepancies in the maid's accounts of the alleged sex attack and got into a shouting match with prosecutor Ann Prunty, who is not part of the unit but was named to the "second chair" at the prosecutor's table.
Joan Illuzzi-Orbon, a respected prosecutor with little sex-crime experience, was added to the team and eventually took over.
Spurred by Chief Assistant DA Dan Alonso, that team focused on digging up dirt on DSK, sources said.
"It was Dan Alonso pushing hard for the grand jury," one insider said. "Friel was told to stand aside.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/cy_team_ignored_warnings_mdbk4knw4CaS2OsWlK0dDL#ixzz1R29WEBAw

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@firefly,

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What world do you live in? The public is very informed about the sexual assault laws and exactly what they say. And there is no great public outcry about them.

BULLSHIT and would you care to back that silly statement up?

Most people are under the impression that the rape law is what it had been for a few hundreds years and do not know of the add on in some states.

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@hawkeye10,

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She was turning tricks on the taxpayers' dime!
The Sofitel maid who accused Dominique Strauss-Kahn of a sex attack in his suite wasn't just a hotel hooker -- she continued to work as a prostitute in a Brooklyn hotel where she was stashed by prosecutors, The Post has learned.
The so-called victim, whose web of lies has crippled the Manhattan DA's case against the former International Monetary Fund boss, played host to a parade of paying male visitors in the weeks after Strauss-Kahn's arrest, a prosecution source said.
"While she was under our supervision, there were multiple 'dates' and encounters at the hotel on the DA's dime," the source said of her paid hotel room. "That's a great deal for her. She doesn't have to cover her expenses."

The woman has a regular fleet of gentlemen callers who range from wealthy clients she met at the Sofitel to counterfeit-merchandise hawkers and livery-cab drivers, said sources close to the defense investigation.
Some of her clients also gave her pricey jewelry, the source said.
Nothing happened in the first two weeks of her stay at the hotel, when she was under around-the-clock supervision provided by the DA's Office, said a law-enforcement source.
Prosecutors were apparently worried about the woman's emotional state and that reporters knew where she lived.
There was an additional concern that DSK representatives might try to bribe her or that she might get cold feet. And because she couldn't go home, they decided that having her stay in a hotel under their watch was the best way to keep her safe and secure her cooperation.
But starting about June 1, the arrangement changed -- she was dropped off and picked up when prosecutors needed her but was otherwise free to do as she pleased, the source said.
It's unclear how many encounters took place, the source said.
The woman is still being housed by the DA's Office but it's unclear if it's the same location or how much money has been spent to house her, the source said.
"I can't say with 100 percent certainty that it's not true," a senior prosecutor said about whether the woman was turning tricks while at the hotel.
Also, The DA suspects that the $100,000 she deposited into her accounts over the last few years included proceeds from sex-for-money exploits, said another prosecution source.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/she_laid_low_as_da_paid_for_digs_8Udq6nhQaHaC4KOOfkctpI#ixzz1R2ARXqUW

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@hawkeye10,

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NEW YORK - Cyrus R. Vance Jr., the Manhattan district attorney, seemed preoccupied when he sat down with two reporters last Monday. He already knew what the world would soon learn: His marquee prosecution - the sexual assault case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn - was falling apart. Privately, his aides had told him that they had discovered grave problems with the accuser’s credibility.

The interview began, but before Vance was asked a question, he offered an unsolicited defense - not just of the Strauss-Kahn case, but of his overall stewardship.

“Ultimately,’’ he said, “the success of a DA’s office - and of a DA - is measured not in individual cases, but over time.’’

“The cases you don’t read about,’’ he added, “define what the job of a DA really is.’’

But that job has grown increasingly tumultuous. Since Vance took over 18 months ago, morale in some parts of the district attorney’s office has begun to sag, in part because of his firing of some prosecutors. Relations with one of the office’s key partners, the Police Department, have grown tense at times, with the two agencies competing over many issues, including control of anticrime initiatives, according to officials on both sides.

Vance’s predecessor, Robert M. Morgenthau, was once a close ally of Vance’s, providing crucial support for his election in 2009.

Now, Morgenthau, 91, rarely if ever speaks to Vance.

Morgenthau has apparently become displeased with Vance’s management style and his revamping of the staff that Morgenthau put together, according to people who know both men well. Vance’s supporters attribute the criticism to people who are unsettled by his efforts to reinvigorate and modernize an office that his supporters say had stagnated. They pointed out that only after Vance took over were prosecutors given smartphones.

Still, the second-guessing of Vance’s leadership has intensified following a string of courtroom losses that culminated in the startling events last week, when prosecutors revealed their concerns about the honesty of the hotel housekeeper who accused Strauss-Kahn of sexual assault in May.

A judge in Manhattan freed Strauss-Kahn from house arrest Friday, and the case against him appeared to be collapsing.

In the weeks before that, Vance’s office did not win rape convictions against two New York police officers accused of sexually assaulting a drunk woman (the officers were found guilty of lesser charges). And the most significant terrorism charges were dropped against two men accused of planning attacks against synagogues in the city, though serious counts remain.

Some of the most pointed complaints about Vance are emanating from the district attorney’s office itself, according to numerous interviews with prosecutors and other officials. They spoke on the condition that their names not be used, saying they feared reprisals.

Several said they worried that cases were often pursued with an excessive focus on whether they would generate publicity. Some said Vance had taken away the discretion of midlevel prosecutors, sometimes to the detriment of cases.

Those two issues, some prosecutors said, contributed to the difficulties in the case against Strauss-Kahn, the former head of the International Monetary Fund who had been considered a leading candidate for the French presidency.

After Strauss-Kahn’s arrest, the district attorney’s office faced the question of whether to ask a judge to keep him in custody.

To do so, the office had to obtain an indictment within five days. The alternative was to agree to a bail package so that prosecutors could take their time investigating the case before deciding whether to indict, according to four people briefed on the matter.

In the end, Vance chose a quick indictment, drawing criticism that he moved before he knew of the accuser’s background.

Prosecutors have said in court that they decided to seek the indictment and to keep Strauss-Kahn in custody to avoid the possibility of him fleeing the country.

The case also unfolded as a rift had already developed between Vance and the chief of the office’s sex crimes unit, Lisa Friel. She stepped down last week under circumstances that were not entirely clear. It did not appear that her decision was directly related to the Strauss-Kahn case.

Early on, Vance took the case away from the sex crimes unit

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/07/03/second_guessing_of_da_grows_as_case_falls_apart/

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@msolga,

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No, Bill, I meant proper statistics.

There is a sociological theory that suttee was institutionalised in India as a corrective to women poisoning their husbands.

In fact women, historically, have had a monopoly on poisoning skills often passing them down from mother to daughter as a family occupation or within the secret machinations of covens.

Is it "violence" for women to use sexual blackmail to force a man (the hump in the bedclothes) to take responsibility for debts my father's generation would have rejected out of hand? Such debts, en masse and cheered on by women's magazines etc, have almost broken our financial institutions with results in the poorer countries that make your domestics incidents look pathetic.

And it isn't even new. Schopenauer pointed the dangers the privileged woman represents to women a long time ago. So did Thorstein Veblen. The story goes back to Homer, through ancient Greece and Rome, the Courts of Love which had to be shrouded in the phrase "the Dark Ages, and was the mainspring of the economic disasters in Europe which led to the French revolution. And now to the calamities in financial markets and severe cuts in defence spending, space programmes and a projection of hundreds of thousands of homeless families.

Tot up the cost of lotions, unguents, wrinkle creams, frocks, hair treatments, slimming lessons, pills, choccies, candlelit dinners, etc etc etbloodycetera and redirect it all to poor countries. Then you might see how much your "compassion" is worth when it is examined scientifically. I wouldn't mind betting that ff's bathroom looks like a bottle parade and that her wardrobe is ten yards long and she's only average. Madame de Pompadour and Imelda Marcos left millions of women gasping in the gutter. Sabina Poppaea bankrupted Rome.

Watch women shop--it's an eye-opener. And the sexier they get the less sex we men get.

Don't try using this cleaning woman to set things straight when I'm around. Save it for the dummies.

Read up on it all Olga. It's a sad and sorry tale. And don't watch Coronation Street whatever you do.

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@hawkeye10,

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She was turning tricks on the taxpayers' dime!
The Sofitel maid who accused Dominique Strauss-Kahn of a sex attack in his suite wasn't just a hotel hooker -- she continued to work as a prostitute in a Brooklyn hotel where she was stashed by prosecutors, The Post has learned.
The so-called victim, whose web of lies has crippled the Manhattan DA's case against the former International Monetary Fund boss, played host to a parade of paying male visitors in the weeks after Strauss-Kahn's arrest, a prosecution source said.
"While she was under our supervision, there were multiple 'dates' and encounters at the hotel on the DA's dime," the source said of her paid hotel room. "That's a great deal for her. She doesn't have to cover her expenses."

If true it get worst and worst but if the DA would hired Firefly she can explain how her turning tricks at the hotel the state put her up in have nothing to do with her claims of being rape by DSK to the jury.

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@hawkeye10,

You're really grasping at straws, Hawkeye, by continuing to cite the NY Post, and their inaccurate and/or unsubstantiated information. It just shows how little interest you have in the "truth"--you'll grab at anything if you think it bolsters your position. You do this all the time and then wonder why almost no one takes you seriously or regards you as being credible.

Friel was fired because of the HBO documentary--because in it she discussed active cases the sex crimes unit was working on, and she failed to turn over unaired footage from the documentary to the defense teams for the cases she mentioned. That was a violation of NYS law and a serious ethical breach on her part. That was more than enough to get her fired.

You, and the NY Post, seem unaware that a major criticism of Vance in the DSK matter was that he did not give the case to the sex crimes unit--where it should logically have gone, so Friel was not "tossed off the case" since it never was her case. And Vance did not give the case to "less-experienced replacements"--he gave it to some of the most highly experienced and highly regarded prosecutors in the Manhattan office, they were just not in the sex crimes unit. Why Vance decided to do it this way is anyone's guess, but it was also his decision to go for the grand jury indictment--which, by law, had to be done within five days--rather than simply let DSK remain on bail while the investigation continued. The NY Times has been reporting all of this. Vance has doing personnel shake-ups since he took office, which may be one of the reasons his predecessor, who was initially a big supporter, no longer seems to be speaking to him. Had Vance let the sex crimes prosecutors handle the case, they might have uncovered the maid's credibility issues much sooner because they are more experienced in dealing with the alleged victim in such cases.

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They knew she was lying

No, and they still have no evidence the maid was lying about being sexually assaulted by DSK, although she obviously has credibility problems in other areas. But liars can also be real sexual assault victims, and so can prostitutes. And the NY Post has no evidence that the woman lied about being sexually assaulted, and neither do you, Hawkeye.

And I wonder why the NY Times is failing to report all these sensational "facts" about the maid's alleged prostitution activities (that only the NY Post seems privvy to)? Could it be because they lack substantiation? These are smear tactics and not evidence. Your white sheet is flapping in the wind, Hawkeye.

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Daly: Hotel maid who accused DSK of sexual assault is a shining example of justice system at work
BY Mike Daly
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Sunday, July 3rd 2011

Maybe she thought America is the land of lies.

She might well be back in her native Guinea had she not come here with a fraudulent visa and lied to get political asylum, saying that she had been beaten and raped by soldiers, and that her husband had been tortured to death.

Once settled in the Bronx with her daughter, she lied about her income to stay in subsidized housing.

She also lied about having a second child to get a tax break.

And she likely would have been able to keep living those lies had she not encountered Dominique Strauss-Kahn while working as a chambermaid in suite 2806 at the Sofitel hotel.

The detectives believed her when she told them Strauss-Kahn had sexually assaulted her.

So did an assistant district attorney.

And there was forensic evidence that seemed to back her up.

Even so, the head of the sex crimes unit had not been able to interview the victim and recommended waiting at least another two days before presenting the case to a grand jury.

The image-conscious higher-ups at the Manhattan District Attorney's office instructed otherwise.

To wait was to risk being seen to waver.

So, the case went to the grand jury two days before the legal deadline.

The woman began by taking an oath to tell only the truth.

The grand jurors believed her and Strauss-Kahn was indicted.

By then, she had telephoned a male friend who was being held in an immigration lockup in Arizona after a bust for trading counterfeit fashion items for pot.

She is said to have reassured her friend, saying something like, "Don't worry, I know what I'm doing."

Only she didn't, because America is ultimately a land of truth.

Sure we have crooks and hustlers and spinmasters, but when it gets down to it, we are about truth.

When it says "In God We Trust" on the courtroom wall, it really means "In Truth We Trust."

This is never more so than when somebody faces losing their liberty.

The whole criminal justice system is predicated on the principle that it is better the guilty go free than the innocent go to jail.

This meant the investigators at the district attorney's office went where the truth took them, even as it began to undermine the case.

The result was Friday's hearing. As I sat in the courtroom there seemed to be a particular American beauty to the proceedings.

The hearing was not convened because of anything the defense had unearthed.

The unearthing had been done by the prosecution and the findings were summarized in a three-page letter that became part of the public record.

Even as it recounted her lies, the fact that the letter had been written by the district attorney's office constituted proof that we are indeed a land of truth.

The complainant's attorney, Kenneth Thompson, offers explanations for her numerous lies. He is an uncommonly decent guy who began life in a Harlem housing project and is the son of a retired cop renowned for her fairness. I hope his client is not also lying to him.

There remains the fact that Strauss-Kahn's semen was recovered from the woman's clothing. Even the defense does not deny that a sexual encounter of some kind occurred, but the complainant's lies certainly do not make it any easier to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

However it ends, there was the hearing just before the Fourth of July weekend that demonstrated anew we are a land of truth.

How right we are to celebrate America's birthday with fireworks and cheers.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/07/03/2011-07-03_justice_system_works__thats_the_truth.html

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Even the NY Daily News, the other NYC tabloid, isn't printing those prostitution stories about the maid that the NY Post has been running--that in itself says a lot about the credibility of those stories.

But the Daily News did have this story which helps to explain how she got her job at the Sofitel...

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Maid who accused DSK of sexual assault is great in interview, 'likeable' and 'sure of herself'
BY Tina Moore, Ben Chapman and Larry Mcshane
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, July 3rd 2011

A midtown hotel maid, alternately described as a habitual liar and devout Muslim, charmed an interviewer with her confidence and work ethic before landing her job.

The woman who accused French politician Dominique Strauss-Kahn of a brutal sexual assault was "likeable" and "sure of herself" during a 2008 sitdown, according to a job application obtained by the Daily News.

The 32-year-old immigrant from Guinea was hired and worked for three years at the Sofitel hotel before she accused a naked Strauss-Kahn of attacking her in his $3,000-a-night suite.

In her application for a housekeeping job, the woman noted that she spoke French and indicated she could perform "all the essential duties" of her job. The woman also said she had no prior criminal convictions, the application shows.

But the truth of the paperwork is suspect as prosecutors publicly acknowledged Friday that their case was imploding because of the maid's lies.

A three-page letter to Strauss-Kahn's defense team acknowledged she lied about a gang rape in her homeland, cheated on her taxes and lied to the grand jury about details of the May 14 incident.

Prosecutors offered little resistance when defense attorneys asked for an end to the purported pervert's house arrest.

Strauss-Kahn, one day after his release without bail, visited the Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle.

The maid's former boss at a Bronx restaurant described her yesterday as honest and hard-working.

"All I know is she never lied to me," said Bahoreh Jabbie, owner of the African American Restaurant.

On her application, the single parent of a 15-year-old said she left her job at the eatery over a "family emergency."

A report that the maid was actually a prostitute placed at the hotel by her union was shot down yesterday.

"These baseless allegations are completely ridiculous," said hotel union political director Josh Gold. "She never registered at our hiring hall."

A source close to the case said there was no evidence at this point indicating the woman was anything but a maid.

And a spokeswoman for Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance Jr. defended the office's handling of the case.

"When the woman's account was corroborated by witnesses, electronic evidence and DNA evidence, it was presented to the grand jury, which is standard in any case," said Erin M. Duggan.

"The investigation continued, and prosecutors said they would follow the case wherever the facts led. The office's responsibility is to the truth in each case - and that's never a loss."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/07/03/2011-07-03_maid_it_easy_to_get_hired.html

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@firefly,

of course it's possible the Post is not lying and the Daily News and others are not telling the whole story for some other reason or agenda

i don't think that journalists have to print the whole truth, they just shouldn't print lies, omitting something that doesn't support your view might be dishonest but it's not lying

they can claim, it has no bearing on the story, and they may be right

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@djjd62,

There's the question of potential liability of New York taxpayers - since we were paying for the room of that African con artist knowing all along she was running a small drugs-and-prostitution business, can Strauss-Kahn sue us for that? His legal team is already considering damages for wrongful arrest etc, etc.

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@hawkeye10,

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MAUREEN DOWD: "........ the French are always right, even when their hauteur is irritating?

They were right about Iraq and America’s rush to war. And they may be right about Dominique Strauss-Kahn and America’s rush to judgment............

....... Elaine Sciolino, a Times correspondent in France and the author of “La Seduction,” assessing the French reaction ...... “Now it’s going to be this man who would have been president taken down by this nogoodnik who has a druggie boyfriend in prison and who lied from the moment she tried to get into the United States.”

It's getting embarassing - the French did warn us about Iraq not having WMDs (and, decades earlier, warned against sending ground troops to Vietnam) and now they also seem to have been right in not believing this sexual assault rap against Strauss-Kahn. From my office window I can see their statue at the entrance to the New York harbor, so I find it hard to forget them, especially on July 4th. To sum up: I'm beginning to think we owe the French an apology. Maybe they'll settle for that and we won't have to pay damages for this latest fiasco after all - our city and all of NY State are almost broke, btw.......

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@djjd62,

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of course it's possible the Post is not lying and the Daily News and others are not telling the whole story for some other reason or agenda

The other NYC newspapers have no logical reason not to tell the whole story, and the NY Daily News definitely thrives on sensational gossip. What's going on with the Post seems to be entirely different, and they are the only paper printing this "information"--other papers in the country that picked up the prostitution stories are all citing the Post as their only source.

The stories the Post has been running, about the maid's alleged prodigious activities as a prostitute, are coming from DSK's defense team--"an unnamed source close to the defense"--and they've been running them over a holiday weekend when the D.A.'s office isn't really open to respond. It appears to be a rather heavy handed smear campaign (by the defense) to completely trash this woman's reputation specifically regarding her sexual interactions with men. And what probably triggered the release of these "leaks" from the defense was a threat made by the woman's lawyer Friday morning that she was going to go to the media to tell her side of the story. So, DSK's defense seems to have pounced first to muddy her image before she could open her mouth--this is part of a PR war that's going to be waged in the media, at least between the maid and DSK's
defense, until this case finally ends.

In one of the stories the Post ran they claim the maid had consensual sex with DSK, expecting to get money in return, but he refused to pay her, she became angry at him, and lodged a false rape complaint. There is no way that story can be substantiated or verified. That's a one-sided defense version of events to support a story of how a consensual sexual contact suddenly turned into a rape allegation--and it doesn't even jive with all the known facts. This isn't newspaper reporting, it's propaganda, and these smears seem to be fed directly to the Post by DSK's defense (something Benjamin Brafman is well known for doing). The Post's agenda is selling tabloid newspapers--the truth is secondary. They are not above printing lies, and the more sensational the lies the better, they just attribute them to "an unnamed source".

I really have no strong view on the Strauss-Kahn case, which is why I've said all along I was waiting for the trial. If the maid was really working hard as a prostitute I'm interested in knowing that, but I'd rather the information came from a reliable source, with some documentation to back it up. If she tried to shake-down DSK in that hotel suite, I want to know that too. And, if she fabricated her sexual assault allegations, I definitely want to know that. I have no interest in defending this woman from criminal activities she engaged in connected to this case--I want to see the whole truth come out. And, if the defense can actually document any of the things the Post is saying (publicly they have denied comment), why don't they immediately hand the information over to the D.A. with a demand that all charges against DSK be instantly dropped instead of dribbling out sleazy "leaks" and tawdry rumors designed only to trash the maid's reputation as a way of making their client look less guilty in the court of public opinion.

So, I'm not upset that the Post isn't supporting "my view"--I don't know what really happened in that hotel suite--I'm more revolted at what appears to be nothing more than unsubstantiated slime being poured all over the maid as part of an ugly PR battle by DSK's defense which the Post seems only too happy to facilitate. I honestly think that if there was any shred of truth to these salacious stories the other two major NYC newspapers, as well as the other media outlets, would be reporting the same info, since nothing else about this case has been covered-up, or omitted, in their coverage of this case. And this is the sort of crap that makes sexual assault victims generally reluctant to file complaints.

But, it is interesting to see how gleefully Hawkeye, and BillRM, and High Seas, unquestioningly pounce on this stuff--that's just the reaction DSK's team wants to elicit. Their gullibility is their problem. I prefer to wait for more reliable, and reputable souces of information.

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I'm sticking with the nymag view of things

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/07/dsk_the_sofitel_housekeeper_an.html

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On May 14, a rich, well-connected white man had sex in a hotel suite with a younger, poorer, black woman who is not his wife.

We can conjure all sorts of narratives to fill in the blanks, but that fact may be the only aspect of this affair that we’ll ever be sure of.

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@firefly,

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I want to see the whole truth come out.

Oh no you don't my dear. The whole truth is much too sordid for your tender sensibilities I'm afraid. It relates more to the avidity with which this tale is pursued than the tale itself which was a mere trifling incident in the flow of our culture. A novel one, that's all, in a long list of previous novelties. I was reading only this morning what the tabloids and gossip of the mid 18th century made of Donatien's exploits in Marseilles with the five prostitutes and the candy containing some Spanish Fly. Rather too much actually. Or the ladies ate too many of them. It was made a voluptuous meal of at the time and the poor Marquis had to deal with everyone believing the most fanciful extravagancies that the gossip and scuttlebuck mongers's imaginations could drool over. And with a heavy class hatred involved.

It is a long tradition in France, whatever one might think of it, that the movers and shakers may take certain liberties with ladies further down the social scale and escape prosecution. Earlier, in England, some of these ladies were whipped at the cart tail for their shamelessness and confined to the workhouse.

Perhaps giving thanks for the progress the Monstrous Regiment has made since those days, and the contemporary artefacts sell at amazing prices, would be better than pushing it too far as it is well known American ladies have done. Plenty here too. Many men I know are empty of substance and it is a shame they cannot be stood on the mantlepiece when they have finished their tasks.

The truth--Ah yes--wouldn't that be nice. But the whole truth--better forget it ff.

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