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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2011 11:18 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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in that case charges should have been dropped on or about May 20....how do you explain that they have not been?


Hawkeye I am leaning toward Firefly wish to see such a trial as it would be very entertaining to watch on court/true TV DSK lawyers destroy the state case in front of the world.
I want DSK set free yesterday so that he can run for President and spread the word though Europe how fucked up the American "justice" system is to help prevent EUROPE from repeating our mistake.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2011 11:22 pm
Take note Firefly that the poor "victim" according to the news story below had already lied about being a rape victim in order to get into this country.

Yes indeed a trial would be both interesting and amusing and I am changing my position to agree with your that the state should go ahead with a trial.

Maybe the New York DA should hired you to put the right spin on this case. Drunk


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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-strauss-kahn-20110703,0,5352235.story

In a phone conversation with her boyfriend, who was held in an Arizona jail on suspicion of possessing 400 pounds of marijuana, she said there was money to be made from Strauss-Kahn, a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation told Reuters on Saturday.

The call was recorded and the woman told her boyfriend she was fine and not to worry about her, the source said.

The New York Times quoted a well-placed law enforcement official as saying: "She says words to the effect of, 'Don't worry, this guy has a lot of money. I know what I'm doing.'"

On Friday, prosecutors said the accuser had lied about being gang-raped in her native Guinea as part of her application for U.S. asylum and changed details of her story about what she did after the incident in Strauss-Kahn's luxury Manhattan hotel suite.

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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2011 11:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
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in that case charges should have been dropped on or about May 20....how do you explain that they have not been?

Probably because the prosecutors believed, and may still believe, that the woman was sexually assaulted by DSK.

Issues about her background and credibility on other matters do not mean she was not being truthful in her report of a sexual assault. It just means she may well lose her day in court to tell the world, and a jury, what happened to her in that hotel suite because of her past indications of deceit on totally unrelated matters.

Dowd has the right fix on it.
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When a habitual predator faces off against a habitual liar, the liar will most likely lose, even if it is the rare case when she is telling the truth.


If you're really interested in finding out what actually happened in that hotel suite, you shouldn't want the D.A. to be so quick to drop the charges. Let them keep investigating and see what else turns up. If this was clearly a set-up, let them find the evidence to nail her on it. If they continue to feel she was sexually assaulted, and they have strong forensic and medical evidence to support that contention, let them consider moving forward with the case despite having a flawed witness.

You don't know whether she was telling the truth about being sexually assaulted by DSK because you have no way of knowing that.

You complained there was a rush to judgment regarding DSK's arrest. But you are willing to make a rush to judgment about the maid even though the issues raised about her thus far really shed no light on what went on in the hotel suite or whether a criminal sexual assault took place there. If the D.A. still feels a crime took place at the Sofitel, let him take whatever time he needs to decide what to do next.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2011 11:56 pm
@firefly,
You should educate yourself on the law by watching "A Few Good Men" and pay attention to the place where the Tom Cruise charactor says " were you absent the day they tought law at law school? I does not matter what I believe, all that matters is what I can prove!"
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:21 am
@hawkeye10,
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You should educate yourself on the law by watching "A Few Good Men"

That your understanding of the law comes from movies helps to explain your ignorance on the subject.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:29 am
@firefly,
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That your understanding of the law comes from movies helps to explain your ignorance on the subject.
I have no doubt but that the citizens agree with me, and while you elites are free to whine all day about this at the end of the day it is what we think that matters, not what you think.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:30 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, Firefly believe that all men are guilty until proven innocent and on top of that if they are falsely charge it does not matter as in the case of DSK because surely he was guilty in the past and gotten away with it so this false charge is some form of payback.

Somehow unlike Firefly I do not even think at this point that the DA and his merry men/women are of the opinion that there was a rape they are just trying to figure the best way out of the hole they was so eager to dig for themselves.

Pity the so call victim lawyers seeing a big big pay day going up in smoke even if it is amusing to see them begging the DA not to leave a sinking ship.

Last comment on Firefly claimed that her lawyers was working free to protect her good name and not for a shot at the $$$$$$.

When and if she is charge for a numbers of criminal misdeeds that had come to light because of this matter somehow I do not think her kindly lawyers will be around to defend her for free.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:34 am
@BillRM,
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Firefly believe that all men are guilty until proven innocent and on top of that if they are falsely charge it does not matter as in the case of DSK because surely he was guilty in the past and gotten away with it so this false charge is some form of payback.
I am more concerned that Firefly said in the rape thread that perfection is the state getting every man that they go after. This bitch is a cheerleader for the police state, she has no interest in justice.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:38 am
@hawkeye10,
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I am more concerned that Firefly said in the rape thread that perfection is the state getting every man that they go after.

You are sounding very much like BillRM in this post.
Interesting.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:42 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

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I am more concerned that Firefly said in the rape thread that perfection is the state getting every man that they go after.

You are sounding very much like BillRM in this post.
Interesting.
Ya, we both put justice above social engineering and the feminist agenda, which puts us into violent opposition to Firefly, despite her bullshit claim that she is not a feminist.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:51 am
@hawkeye10,
Who knows & who cares who is a "feminist" or not, hawkeye?
The fact remains that there are far more cases of male aggression against women (& children) than the other way around.
Give me some legitimate, generally accepted statistics if you want to dispute that.
In this particular instance, who knows what really happened in that hotel room?
I don't & neither do you.
We are all reading media reports.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:53 am
@hawkeye10,
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This bitch


Hawkeye I demand that you at once stop insulting female dogs in such a manner.

Female dogs never misstate the facts or insult your intelligent or go out of their way to promote the interest of female dogs over male dogs.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 12:58 am
@msolga,
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The fact remains that there are far more cases of male aggression against women than the other way around.
I reject this assertion. I believe that Men and women are equal in their capacity for evil, their abilities at confrontation, and their willingness to use confrontation. Men and women use different methods only, the myth that women are better than men as a lie told by womens political pressure groups for profit.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 01:04 am
@msolga,
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The fact remains that there are far more cases of male aggression against women than the other way around.
Give me some legitimate, generally accepted statistics if you want to dispute that.


On the rape thread there had been a numbers of studies refer to including an airforce one that had placed the false rape reports rate from 25 percents to a high as 41 percents of the total reported non-stranger rapes.

They are more legitimate then the nonsense studies that Firefly had refer to such as that 25 percents of all females college students are victims of sexual assaults during a four year program.

Oh and lest not forget the eighty or so percents of false reporting of child abused sexual or otherwise aims at fathers by mothers during custody fights.

Sorry there are as many bad and evil women as there are bad an evil men in the world.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 01:06 am
@hawkeye10,
I am not talking about anyone's "capacity" for evil, or anyone's ability at confrontation, myths, etc, hawkeye.

I am also not arguing that women are "better" than men.

Nor am I concerned about what "pressure groups" have to say.

I am talking about established records of male violence against women & children.

Show me some credible statistics which prove me wrong.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 01:08 am
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The New York Times
July 2, 2011
Frenchwomen Weigh Impact and Fallout of Strauss-Kahn Case
By STEVEN ERLANGER and KATRIN BENNHOLD

PARIS — Anne Mansouret, the mother of a young woman who has accused Dominique Strauss-Kahn of trying to rape her in 2003, said Saturday that she was “revolted” by the gleeful reaction of many men in France to the news that the case against him in New York had been compromised by credibility questions surrounding his accuser, a hotel housekeeper.

“He’s lied a lot in his life,” said Ms. Mansouret, whose daughter, Tristane Banon, has signaled that she would file a criminal complaint in France against Mr. Strauss-Kahn. “I know exactly what he is.”

“We question automatically this young woman’s testimony,” she said. “But we don’t question a man who lied extravagantly.”

Mr. Strauss-Kahn and his male allies, she said, “don’t want a world where you can’t force a woman” to perform sex acts.

For Ms. Mansouret, who for years had urged her daughter not to speak out because it might damage her career, and other women here, Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s arrest in New York in May seemed to be a turning point, a chance to break the code of silence about sexual harassment and aggression by powerful figures. But the question in France after his release without bail on Friday was whether that moment was turning yet again.

Many women took it as a pointed slap when senior figures in the Socialist Party — the mainstream progressive organization in French politics — immediately began speaking of how Mr. Strauss-Kahn might yet run for the presidency even though the felony charges against him had not been dropped.

Lionel Jospin, a Socialist and former prime minister, said Mr. Strauss-Kahn had been “thrown to the wolves” by the Americans. The Socialist legislator Jean-Marie Le Guen, who considers Mr. Strauss-Kahn to be the victim of a plot, said, “I hope he will soon be free and able to look the French people in the eyes once again.”

François Pupponi, a Socialist mayor, said Mr. Strauss-Kahn should now run for president: “Before May 15 everybody considered him the best candidate. He was accused of terrible things. If it turns out he is cleared, why wouldn’t he have the right to be a presidential candidate?”

But Sylvie Kauffmann, the first female editor of Le Monde and a former Washington correspondent for that newspaper, said that there had been a “D.S.K. moment” that would last well beyond the machismo of the political elite.

“I think he’s damaged so badly now, he won’t be able to recover in the minds of voters, especially women voters,” she said. “I wouldn’t vote for him now, but I would have before.”

There is a tendency among men “to pretend that nothing has happened,” she said. “In the establishment mind, this issue is not very important. The political class considers this issue of women and political attitudes toward women not so relevant. But I would bet that the average voter may feel differently.”

Ms. Kauffmann was skeptical about any instant revolution in sexual attitudes in France.

“But this has opened the way to a lot of discussion and debate,” she said.

“There’s an awareness and a willingness to speak out that wasn’t there before. Even if D.S.K. manages to come back and run, it will be part of the discussion,” she said. “He’s still a guy who had a sexual encounter with a maid at noon in a luxury suite before having lunch with his daughter and flying back to his wife.”

Even if the sex was consensual, as Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s lawyers say, “we’re back to the Bill Clinton problem,” Ms. Kauffmann said. “D.S.K. might be the brightest guy on the political scene, but it showed a part of his character that is a problem in a campaign and in a presidency.”

Like Ms. Kauffmann, Hélène Périvier, co-director of the gender program at the Institut d’Études Politiques in Paris, agreed that a deeper soul-searching had started about gender relations.

“It raised questions that went well beyond his particular case and that of his guilt,” she said. “People have started raising questions about the relations between men and women in France, and those questions won’t go away.”

But Ms. Périvier, like others, warned that the inconsistencies that have apparently emerged in the account of Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s accuser risked discrediting future reports of sexual violence.

“If he gets acquitted, the risk is that next time something like this happens, people will point to the precedent,” she said. False reports of rape and sexual violence are statistically rare, she said, “but it suffices to cement doubts and discredit the word of women going to the police in the future.”

Olivia Cattan runs a feminist association called Paroles de Femmes, or “Women’s Words.” She said she had received insulting comments on her Web site from those who said that French feminists had been too quick to defend the housekeeper who accused Mr. Strauss-Kahn of sexually assaulting her “and should have remained silent.” She said she was surprised by the reaction of many Socialists.

“They give the impression that they will welcome him as a hero,” she said.

She is sure Mr. Strauss-Kahn will lose support among many voters if he runs. But what worries her more is that “victims of rape who take legal action against their perpetrator will now have to prove that they are moral, don’t have a police record and never lied.” She fears the case “will cast more doubt on the testimony of victims in a country where women’s rights are already ridiculed.”

Natacha Henry, a French writer on women’s issues, was more hopeful. “It is always difficult for the victim to be heard, but it’s better now; it’s changed something in the mentality of French women,” she said.

She pointed to the case of Georges Tron, a junior minister who was accused by women inspired by the Strauss-Kahn prosecution to come forward with charges of attempted rape. Mr. Tron had to resign from the government and now, after an investigation, faces rape charges.

“This case has empowered women, even if this one isn’t the Virgin Mary,” Ms. Henry said of the housekeeper in the New York case. “She’s a real human being who has made mistakes.”

As an example of how things were beginning to change, Ms. Kauffmann pointed to an interview last week in the newspaper Le Parisien with Laurence Parisot, who runs the largest union of employers in France.

“Sexism is racism,” Ms. Parisot said bluntly, speaking openly about the misogyny in French political life and the sexism in many of its enterprises. The interview was widely discussed in the French media and on talk shows. The D.S.K. affair “is going to contribute to liberating speech,” Ms. Parisot said. “No longer fear to speak,” she told young women.

Anne-Marie Le Gloannec, director of research at the Center for International Studies and Research at the Institut d’Études Politiques, said the Strauss-Kahn case dominated conversation Saturday morning at the hairdresser’s shop. “The story is a trigger for women to talk more about what they’ve been experiencing in the workplace,” she said. “French society is changing to some extent, but only gradually.”

There has been some criticism of French feminists, especially from men of Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s generation. They “are allowing themselves to say particularly ridiculous things, but younger men tend to be different,” Ms. Le Gloannec said. “Salacious comments are now passé, and these people are passé, too, even if they don’t know it.”

Still, she said she would vote for Mr. Strauss-Kahn if she could, describing him as the best of the possible candidates for France. “He may have to learn to be more cautious,” she said. “This is his family problem, with his daughter and his wife.”

Geneviève Fraisse, a former member of the European Parliament and well-known philosopher and historian of the sexes, expressed cautious hope. “This debate is with us to stay,” she said. “It might change a little after the latest news. It will be a violent debate. But an inroad has been made.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/world/europe/03france.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 01:12 am
@msolga,
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I am talking about established records of male violence against women & children.
We proved in the rape thread that women and men are equally violent, that men are more physically violent and that women are more emotionally violent. The methods are not the same, the willingness to use violence is the same. The feminists are doing their best to get people to agree that only physical violence should count, but they run into trouble quickly because most people dont see much separation between physical violence and emotional violence....see the various discussions on bullying for illustration.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 01:15 am
@msolga,
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I am talking about established records of male violence against women & children.


So your only concern is violence?

I had read studies that women are just or nearly as likely to be the aggressive as men in domestic violence situations.

Of course men being by nature bigger and more powerful then women they tend to be harm far less then women.

From my own personal life I know that a woman can be the one who turn to violence and on top of that then turn around and swear under oath that it was indeed the other way around.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 01:19 am
@firefly,
Of course it does not matter if DSK was falsely charge in this case as another woman claimed he attacked her in 2003 so this is some form of payback.

No proof of any kind that this event happen but if a woman is willing to get her 15 minutes of frame by so stating who are we to judge otherwise.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 3 Jul, 2011 01:21 am
@msolga,
Second comment if you are concern about harm to children I can see no greater harm then to interfere with the father-child bond by falsely charging the father with child abused sexual or otherwise.
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