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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 04:58 pm
@JTT,
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The US made a pretense about invading Japan to cover for its war crimes of dropping two atomic bombs directed at civilians.


The dropping of the atomic bombs was not aimed at civilians.
Both targets had military value, as mANUFacturing and shipping points.
Yes, civilians were killed, but if the US had invaded Japan by force, millions more on both sides would have died.
Is that what you prefer happen?

Also, since you said that invading a sovereign country is a war crime, you must mean ALL of them, you cannot pick and choose.

North Korea invading South Korea was a war crime.
China invading Tibet was a war crime.
Iraq invading Kuwait was a war crime.

You cannot say that only US invasions were war crimes, without admitting that ALL invasions are war crimes.

Also, you like to accuse every US President of war crimes and genocide.
I found a list of the worst genocides of the 20th century. there are 2 US Presidents on the list. One of them is Richard Nixon. He is 29th on the list, with 70,000 civilians killed.
The other one is Lyndon Johnson, with 30,000 civilians killed.

So how can you blame every US President?

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:31 pm
@JTT,
Did you want to know what Khmer was or were you happy being stupid ? Isnt there a uniform somewhere you can go spit on ? It will make you feel so much better....

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Obviously, history is not your long suit either.
This from a moron who understands only the USA is capable of and commits war crimes . No other country ever anywhere has ever done it .

You are one weird sick bitch .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:34 pm
@JTT,
existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com ??? Didnt they have any comic books you could quote from ??

Why dont you just quote a left whingers paradise forum, or quotes from Mao .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:36 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
the US committed war crimes against the people of Germany and the people of Japan
Did Japan and Germany commit any war crimes ? Why are you fixated on the lesser of two evils ? Did that idiot Alda and that whore Fonda tell you this ?
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:38 pm
@mysteryman,
Quote:
The dropping of the atomic bombs was not aimed at civilians.
Both targets had military value, as mANUFacturing and shipping points.
Yes, civilians were killed, but if the US had invaded Japan by force, millions more on both sides would have died.


I certainly don't want any of the following to discourage you from discussing this topic more, MM.

"The atomic bomb has deadened the finest feelings which have sustained mankind for ages. There used to be so-called laws of war which made it tolerable. Now we understand the naked truth. War knows no law except that of might. The atomic bomb brought an empty victory to the Allied armies. It has resulted for the time being in the soul of Japan being destroyed. What has happened to the soul of the destroying nation is yet too early to see. Truth needs to be repeated as long as there are men who do not believe it."

Mahatma Gandhi


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In the introduction to Hiroshima's Shadows, we find that "One of the myths of Hiroshima is that the inhabitants were warned by leaflets that an atomic bomb would be dropped. The leaflets Leonard Nadler and William P. Jones recall seeing in the Hiroshima Museum in 1960 and 1970 were dropped after the bombing.

This happened because the President's Interim Committee on the Atomic Bomb decided on May 31 'that we could not give the Japanese any warning'. Furthermore, the decision to drop 'atomic' leaflets on Japanese cities was not made until August 7, the day after the Hiroshima bombing. They were not dropped until August 10, after Nagasaki had been bombed. We can say that the residents of Hiroshima received no advance warning about the use of the atomic bomb.

On June 1, 1945, a formal and official decision was taken during a meeting of the so-called Interim Committee not to warn the populations of the specific target cities. James Byrnes and Oppenheimer insisted that the bombs must be used without prior warning."

"Closely linked to the question of whether a warning of an atomic bomb attack was given to the civilian populations of the target cities is the third 'article of fifth' that underpins the American legend of Hiroshima; the belief that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets. The Headquarters of the Japanese Second army were located in Hiroshima and approximately 20,000 men—of which about half, or 10,000 died in the attack. In Nagasaki, there were about 150 deaths among military personnel in the city. Thus, between the two cities, 4.4% of the total death toll was made up of military personnel. In short, more than 95% of the casualties were civilians."

...

(p.66) "The Legation of Switzerland on August 11, 1945 forwarded from Tokyo the following memorandum to the State Department (which sat on it for twenty-five years before finally releasing it): 'The Legation of Switzerland has received a communication from the Japanese Government.' On August 6, 1945, American airplanes released on the residential district of the town of Hiroshima, bombs of a new type, killing and injuring in one second a large number of civilians and destroying a great part of the town. Not only is the city of Hiroshima a provincial town without any protection or special military installations of any kind, but also none of the neighboring regions or towns constitutes a military objective."

...

Carrington quotes Admiral William D. Leahy, p. 245, I Was There, McGraw Hill: "A large part of the Japanese Navy was already on the bottom of the sea. The combined Navy surface and air force action even by this time had forced Japan into a position that made her early surrender inevitable. None of us then knew the potentialities of the atomic bomb, but it was my opinion, and I urged it strongly on the Joint Chiefs, that no major land invasion of the Japanese mainland was necessary to win the war. The JCS did order the preparation of plans for an invasion, but the invasion itself was never authorized."

Carrington concludes, p.22, "Truman's wanton use of atomic weapons left the American people feeling dramatically less secure after winning World War II than they had ever felt before, and these feelings of insecurity have been exploited by unscrupulous Cold War Machine Politicians ever since." As Senator Vandenberg said, "We have to scare the hell out of 'em" in order to browbeat the American people into paying heavy taxes to support the Cold War.

DID THE ATOMIC BOMB WIN THE WAR AGAINST JAPAN?

Admiral William Leahy also stated in I Was There, "My own feeling is that being the first to use it (the atomic bomb) we had adopted an ethical standard common to the Barbarism of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

Gar Alperowitz notes, p. 16, "On May 5, May 12 and June 7, the Office of Strategic Services (our intelligence operation), reported Japan was considering capitulation. Further messages came on May 18, July 7, July 13 and July 16."

Alperowitz points out, p.36, "The standing United States demand for 'unconditional surrender' directly threatened not only the person of the Emperor but such central tenets of Japanese culture as well."

Alperowitz also quotes General Curtis LeMay, chief of the Air Forces, p.334, "The war would have been over in two weeks without the Russians entering and without the atomic bomb. PRESS INQUIRY: You mean that, sir? Without the Russians and without the atomic bomb? LeMay: The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all." September 29, 1945, statement.



Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:38 pm
@JTT,
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Are you upset about Pol Pot, Wmwcjr?
You're not are you...they werent born in the USA so they dont get a mention . Did google improve your education or couldnt you spell it right ? Do you know who Pol Pot is now ? How about Khmer ? Any ideas ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:39 pm
@mysteryman,
Logic has no place in the psychotic little bitches brain....she lives to hate .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:42 pm
@JTT,
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There used to be so-called laws of war which made it tolerable.
Your stupidity is mind numbing . Prisoners of war were routinely executed . Entire cities were levelled . There has been less destruction due to the atomic bomb, not more . There were no so-called rules of war . You are the dumbest excuse for an historian . Looked up who Pol Pot was yet ?
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:47 pm
@Ionus,
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Did Japan and Germany commit any war crimes ? Why are you fixated on the lesser of two evils ?


Japan and German have paid for their war crimes.

"lesser of two evils", surely you jest. The US was committing these war crimes long before Japan and Germany started and they have continued right up to the present.

Why are you fixated on defending the much greater evil? Because you, and your country, the one you "served", has aligned itself with one of the greatest terrorist/war crime ridden country ever to exist on planet Earth.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:49 pm
@Ionus,
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Do you know who Pol Pot is now ? How about Khmer ?


Please do fill me in.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:53 pm
@JTT,
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Japan and German have paid for their war crimes.
So that is your number one criteria ? What about Russia in Chechnya ? Never heard of it like Khmer, have you ? You little history buff psycho you...

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one of the greatest terrorist/war crime ridden country ever to exist on planet Earth.
You are unbelievably stupid or mentally very ill .
Nazi Europe kills off six million and the axis starts a war that costs 50 million lives . But yoiu see the USA as the greatest terrorist/war crime country EVER ? You know as much about history as you do english, you pile of garbage .
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:53 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Your stupidity is mind numbing . Prisoners of war were routinely executed . Entire cities were levelled . There has been less destruction due to the atomic bomb, not more . There were no so-called rules of war . You are the dumbest excuse for an historian . Looked up who Pol Pot was yet ?


Your anger is getting to you, Ionus. It turns you from that oh so "eloquent" big W writer into that raging ex-grunt that frequents these pages.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:58 pm
@JTT,
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Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a population of around 8 million
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

Woulod you like to know about more war crimes or are you happy being ignorant ?
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:00 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Do you know who Pol Pot is now ? How about Khmer ?


Please do fill me in.
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Ionus
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:01 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Your anger is getting to you
No, you allowing war crimes to be diminished by your hatred of the USA is getting to me .

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It turns you from that oh so "eloquent" big W writer into that raging ex-grunt that frequents these pages.
Why are you incapable of looking up the rules of when to use capitals ? Do you think you dont have a computer ?

When will you be proving I am a war criminal ? You make claims, now back them up with facts, you psychotic bitch .
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:07 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Woulod[sic] you like to know about more war crimes or are you happy being ignorant ?


Rolling Eyes

Quote:


The Long Secret Alliance:
Uncle Sam and Pol Pot

by John Pilger

Covert Action Quarterly Fall 1997


The US not only helped create conditions that brought Cambodia's Khmer Rouge to power in 1975, but actively supported the genocidal force, politically and financially. By January 1980, the US was secretly funding Pol Pots exiled forces on the Thai border. The extent of this support-$85 million from 1980 to 1986-was revealed six years later in correspondence between congressional lawyer Jonathan Winer, then counsel to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation. Winer said the information had come from the Congressional Research Service (CRS). When copies of his letter were circulated, the Reagan administration was furious. Then, without adequately explaining why, Winer repudiated the statistics, while not disputing that they had come from the CRS. In a second letter to Noam Chomsky, however, Winer repeated the original charge, which, he confirmed to me, was "absolutely correct.''

Washington also backed the Khmer Rouge through the United Nations, which provided Pol Pot's vehicle of return. Although the Khmer Rouge government ceased to exist in January 1979, when the Vietnamese army drove it out, its representatives continued to occupy Cambodia's UN seat. Their right to do so was defended and promoted by Washington as an extension of the Cold War, as a mechanism for US revenge on Vietnam, and as part of its new alliance with China (Pol Pot's principal underwriter and Vietnam's ancient foe). In 1981, President Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said, "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot." The US, he added, "winked publicly" as China sent arms to the Khmer Rouge through Thailand.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/UncleSam_PolPot.html



JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:09 pm
@Ionus,
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When will you be proving I am a war criminal ? You make claims, now back them up with facts,


Your anger certainly brings out your great propensity to lie. What would your pappy say about that, little grunt?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:18 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
The US not only helped create conditions that brought Cambodia's Khmer Rouge to power in 1975
This is your psychosis in a nut shell...those criminals werent responsible for their actions.....you have let them off the hook .

Quote:
the US was secretly funding Pol Pots exiled forces on the Thai border
Absolute bullshit . You see anything anti-USA and swallow like a busy whore on Saturday night....you greedily accept without thought anything anti-USA . You are sick and twisted .

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"I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot."
This man is not well . If he thinks the Chinese needed his permission to ship arms then he is sicked than you .

In your whacko mind, Pol Pot bears no responsibility for his actions, neither does his followers, neither does China, the only one who can be blamed is the USA . You are one really sick **** .
Ionus
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:21 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Your anger certainly brings out your great propensity to lie. What would your pappy say about that, little grunt?
Perhaps if you knew who your pappy was, you might feel better about yourself . You don't like words like honour, responsibility, respect....you just want to be in charge of the world because only you know the truth....ever read anything on delusional or compulsive obsessive behaviour ?

When will you be proving I am a war criminal ? You make claims, now back them up with facts .
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:27 pm
@Ionus,
That's not me, Ionus. Funny that you haven't noticed that. Kinda makes it easier to rage out of control that way, doesn't it?

That was actually John Pilger who wrote that. He is a mighty fine Australian gentleman, unlike yourself.

And how did you miss this;

"Winer said the information had come from the Congressional Research Service (CRS). "

And why would the Reagan government be furious about some stories?

Or this, how did you miss this?

In 1981, President Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said, "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot." The US, he added, "winked publicly" as China sent arms to the Khmer Rouge through Thailand.

Do you know who Zbigniew Brzezinski is?

And this part,

Two US relief aid workers, Linda Mason and Roger Brown, later wrote, "The US Government insisted that the Khmer Rouge be fed ... the US preferred that the Khmer Rouge operation benefit from the credibility of an internationally known relief operation."

And,


In 1980, under US pressure, the World Food Program handed over food worth $12 million to the Thai army to pass on to the Khmer Rouge. According to former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke "20,000 to 40 000 Pol Pot guerrillas benefited." This aid helped restore the Khmer Rouge to a fighting force, based in Thailand, from which it de stabilized Cambodia for more than a decade.


Are you familiar with Richard Holbrooke? Do you understand what "Assistant Secretary of State" means?




 

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