@failures art,
Quote:In that case, I understand why they are let down.
Are you speaking for all of them ? Or are you drumming up another lefty sentimental moment ?
@BillRM,
Quote:Bin Laden had been shot twice, according to reports, once in the head and once in the chest.
Dont go too much by "according to reports".....
@Ionus,
David wrote:Have u heard WHAT Laden was shot with ??
HOW did thay kill him ?
Ionus wrote:Special forces have a wide range of weapons to choose from.....
That 's very, very true.
We don't even know if it was an automatic rifle, a pistol, a revolver or a submachinegun.
I wish thay 'd REPORT THE NEWS.
Ionus wrote:given there were no hostages which could demand the use of low power small calibre weapons, than I think any high powered weapon could have been used.....personally I would have taken my trusty SLR with me, despite its length....greater hitting power and it will penetrate most vests.
Given the length of the firefight, I dont think it was reasonable to take him prisoner unless he played dead.
Agreed, tho he was a valuable
intelligence target; we got his
computers, anyway.
Ionus wrote:If he was vertical he should have been shot dead rather than risk one more life in the event he was strapped with explosives.
Yes.
David
Incidentally, they are not releasing details so they can work out the best possible details.....they will gauge reactions and then decide what happened .
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:Agreed, tho he was a valuable intelligence target; we got his computers, anyway.
Assuming he had computers as he did not have phone service or an internet connection and also assuming if he did have computers that he did not have them protected with something like truecrypt or pgp disk.
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:One bullet in the eye does not sound like there was a firefight.
I read that there were
2 slugs in the left eye
and another round in the chest.
I have
NO idea with
WHAT; presumably a low caliber, slite recoil precision weapon, but we don 't know.
It coud have been a .45ACP from a 1911 automatic, or a Glock.
David
@BillRM,
Quote:Agreed, tho he was a valuable intelligence target; we got his computers, anyway.
BillRM wrote:Assuming he had computers as he did not have phone service or an internet connection and also assuming
if he did have computers that he did not have them protected with something like truecrypt or pgp disk.
Thay said that thay got
SO MUCH information
on his computers, that thay created a new unit, just to process it.
I dunno, but I imagine that the
CIA coud get thru
ANY
encryption;
AGREE ?
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:I dunno, but I imagine that the CIA coud get thru ANY
encryption; AGREE ?
No as there are a hell of a lot of experts in that field that do not work for the CIA or more to the point NSA and as far as anyone can tell outside of government service no one can break modern encryption routines such as 256 AES or Serpent or Twofish and you can chain them together if you care to.
The government as in NSA have a lot of hardware’s and a lot of experts but they are not magicians and the laws of mathematic apply to them also.
Not really material to anything...
I had heard some buzz over Fox choosing to spell his name "Usama," but apparently this is the spelling used on the FBI's most wanted list. Now I know there are different academic schools of thought on the proper romanization of Arabic characters/spelling, but it's interesting to learn the US Gov's official spelling post mortem.
huh.
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@wayne,
What? 10 years late and along with a kid and a handful of grandkids? This is nothing to celebrate.
@snood,
I'm just reading through, so someone may have said this already - but I think the most worrisome thing to me was the purported WH concern that Pakistan may scramble fighters and come after us if they found out we were in their airspace, planning for a raid on BL. They've been hiding him this whole time, it seems.
@Lash,
The WH claims that Pakistan was not notified, but area residents say that it was strange that the blast was not followed by emergency response. All signs are that agents from the INI were working with the CIA, that Osama had been guests of the INI but they turned on him, and that these agents killed the local response.
@failures art,
failures art wrote:I had heard some buzz over Fox choosing to spell his name "Usama," but apparently this is the spelling used on the FBI's most wanted list. Now I know there are different academic schools of thought on the proper romanization of Arabic characters/spelling, but it's interesting to learn the US Gov's official spelling post mortem.
In Arabic writing, there are no consonants to romanize, so there never will be a standard spelling of consonants. (It fluctuates in the German press quite frequently.)
@Lash,
Quote:I'm just reading through, so someone may have said this already - but I think the most worrisome thing to me was the purported WH concern that Pakistan may scramble fighters and come after us if they found out we were in their airspace, planning for a raid on BL. They've been hiding him this whole time, it seems.
Yes they would be eager to bring that kind of hell down on them that would result in any attack on the US when we are going after Laden!!!
And somehow I had a feeling that those helicopters was being protected with enough air cover to deal with anything that the Pakistans could get into the air.
@Region Philbis,
I agree. Way too similar.
@BillRM,
Quote:And somehow I had a feeling that those helicopters was being protected with enough air cover to deal with anything that the Pakistans could get into the air.
Reports are the the mission was delayed two days, which just so happened to be cloudy, and the night of the mission was clear...I'd say you are correct.
I don't feel like reading back to see exactly which posts it was, but somewhere in this thread I read an excerpt someone posted that said there were a total of 22 people in the compound that were either killed or captured.
Earlier, like on the first or second page of this thread, there was an excerpt that detailed a number of people from the compound (wives, relatives, etc.) that had been detained/arrested.
Questions:
If there was no other involvement than the handful of Seals, who detained/arrested the wives?
If not all the 22 people were killed, but some were captured, where were the captured taken? Did they leave in the helicopters with the Seals?
Where are they now, on board ship? What is their destination?
@hawkeye10,
I wouldnt have notified the indigenous assets either. They cannot be trusted no matter what. Theyve demonstrated this at least 2 times before.
WH didnt want to put our guys in danger and have a fiasco to deal with like the 1979 "guests of the Ayatollah". Too politically charged with every conservative nipping at his heels like a bunch of yippy dogs
The choppers came in and left with escorts. I dont think the PAkistan AIr Force would challenge , itd look bad to get badly scratched . That would send a message of incompetence to the conditions in PAkistan that are already a teeter totter.
@Butrflynet,
Those kind of details are still being slowly released. The Admin is playing those close to the vest. I believe some suggestion has been made by the WH saying that valuable intel was collected on site. That would most definitely include anyone captured.
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