@JTT,
Quote:Should the UN do anything, MsO?
Well surely
some sort of response is necessary after a massacre of 100+ civilians?
But I'm unsure myself what response would actually be effective in the case of a government that is determined to be as bloody-minded as Syria's.
The reason I asked that question was because c.i. & Rabel were so adamant that the UN is completely useless. I wanted to know what might be considered a
useful response in the current circumstances from such critics.
What could the UN do which it isn't doing already?
A small victory is that Russia has joined in the condemnation of the Houla massacre .... that's encouraging, for starters.
Quote:They did nothing when the US and the coalition of the suckups did the same thing to Iraq and Afghanistan.
They've done nothing over the years when these same countries did much worse things to Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Chile, ...
But what else could the UN
do, in say, the case of the Iraq invasion?:
Quote:During the lead-up to war in March 2003, Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had made significant progress toward resolving open issues of disarmament noting "proactive" but not always the "immediate" Iraqi cooperation as called for by UN Security Council Resolution 1441. He concluded that it would take “but months” to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks.[4] The United States asserted this was a breach of Resolution 1441 but failed to convince the UN Security Council to pass a new resolution authorizing the use of force due to lack of evidence.[5][6][7] Despite being unable to get a new resolution authorizing force and citing section 3 of the Joint Resolution passed by the U.S. Congress,[8] President George W. Bush asserted peaceful measures could not disarm Iraq of the weapons he alleged it to have and launched a second Gulf War,[9] despite multiple dissenting opinions[10] and questions of integrity[11][12][13] about the underlying intelligence.[14] Later U.S.-led inspections agreed that Iraq had earlier abandoned its WMD programs, but asserted Iraq had an intention to pursue those programs if UN sanctions were ever lifted.[15] Bush later said that the biggest regret of his presidency was "the intelligence failure" in Iraq,[16] while the Senate Intelligence Committee found in 2008 that his administration "misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq".[17] A key CIA informant in Iraq admitted that he lied about his allegations, "then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war".[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Here we had a situation the the UN weapons inspectors could have revealed "within months" that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but one of the most powerful members of the Security Council was determined to lead the invasion of Iraq anyway. Furthermore, that powerful member is one of "the big 5" countries (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, and United States) which can
individually veto any UN resolutions. So even if UN
wanted to condemn a totally unnecessary & unjustified invasion of Iraq, it wouldn't have been able to, because the US would have vetoed any such resolution.
I've grown very tired of the relentless condemnation of the UN.
It is only as strong as its individual member countries' adherence to the various UN charters & guidelines.
And when individual members (especially very powerful countries)
choose to disregard the guidelines they are signatories to, out of self interest, what hope is there that the UN can have any real influence at all?
I think it would be more useful, & certainly much more beneficial, to condemn those member countries who abuse UN conventions for their own ends. If there was more pressure on those countries to act within the spirit of UN carters & conventions, rather than blithely condemning the UN itself, then perhaps the UN would have more credibility & a damn sight more influence.