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Will the UN get involved in Syria?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 09:26 pm
@RABEL222,
This is the best I can find for now.

Quote:
Deaths as Syria troops hit Daraa: rights activist

(AFP) – 23 hours ago

NICOSIA — A number of people were killed and wounded as Syrian troops swept into the flashpoint southern town of Daraa with tanks and snipers on Monday, rights activists reached by telephone said.

They said a 3,000-strong military force swarmed into Daraa early Monday, with tanks taking up positions in the town centre and snipers deploying on rooftops.

The activists said they were not able to count the casualties as the snipers made it impossible to reach them.

"Bodies are lying in the streets and we can't recover them," one activist said.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 25 Apr, 2011 10:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
NYT update.

Quote:
Syria Escalates Crackdown as Tanks Go to Restive City
By ANTHONY SHADID
Published: April 25, 2011


BEIRUT, Lebanon — The Syrian Army stormed the restive city of Dara’a with tanks and soldiers and helped detain dozens in towns across the country Monday in an escalation of the crackdown on Syria’s five-week-old uprising, according to residents and human rights activists. They said at least 25 people had been killed in Dara’a, with reports of bodies strewn in the streets.
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revelette
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 07:28 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Damn I wish I knew how to post articles on this foram!


Click the url tab on the BBCode Editor. [url][/url] You put an equal sign inside the first bracket after the first url, then you copy and paste the url address after the equal sign. In between the two url brackets you type in whatever you want to name the article or just copy and paste the name of the article. Then you just copy and paste whatever article you want. (I am not that good at explaining but anyway, hope it helps)

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revelette
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 07:44 am
I feel as we are playing a contest of what country has the most causalities. The situation in Syria seems to be escalating, although it is hard to tell because reporters are not allowed in there to report which is probably why there are conflicting accounts.

As for the situation in Libya, there have been reports that the deaths have reached hundreds in the city of Misrata alone.

Quote:
Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal says the death toll in Misrata is at least 600 – and climbing by the hour.


source






revelette
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 08:01 am
Updates on the Tumult in Syria and Libya
Quote:

The Syrian government is continuing a bloody crackdown on protesters on Tuesday, apparently signaling a harrowing new chapter in the turmoil, which has already killed nearly 400 people, Anthony Shadid reports from Beirut.

The violence has drawn growing international concern and condemnation. Western nations are considering sanctions against the government of President Bashar al-Assad, and the Obama administration is urging Americans to leave Syria immediately “while commercial transportation is readily available.”

Gunfire was again reported in the restive southern city of Dara’a on Tuesday morning, where the bodies of the dead still lay unclaimed in the streets, after a brutal government crackdown on Monday on protests against the Assad government, residents said.

A video that is said to have been recorded in Dara’a on Tuesday shows what appears to be a peaceful protest, with a tank and security forces seen in the distance. The protest is disrupted by gunfire, apparently coming from the security forces. No casualties are seen in this video footage, which was posted by horanson1, a Youtube user in the United Arab Emirates:


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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 03:01 pm
I stand corrected!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 03:44 pm
@revelette,
It doesn't take too much imagination to know Syria is now a killing field; they're using tanks and machine guns against their own citizens.

They seemed headed in this direction from their first response to the demonstrators. I'll bet dollars to donuts they will escalate their violence against their own citizens.

They will do anything to keep their power.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 12:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
Sounds like politicians in the U.S. of A..
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 06:11 am
Quote:
The former Republican presidential candidate spoke as the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said it had collected the names of at least 453 civilians killed during almost six weeks of pro-democracy protests in Syria and the United Nations' to human rights body agreed to discuss how to end the violence.

The regime's crackdown appears to have only emboldened protesters who started their revolt with calls for modest reforms, but are now increasingly demanding Assad's downfall.

The U.N.'s Human Rights Council said Wednesday that would hold a special session on Syria Friday to try to stop Assad's forces from gunning down his people.

The U.S. requested the meeting, backed by council members Belgium, Britain, France, Hungary, Japan, Mexico, Norway, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Senegal, Slovakia, Spain, Switzerland and Zambia. The U.N. appealed Tuesday to Assad to withdraw his forces.


More at the source
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 10:17 am
@RABEL222,
It sure does! Most of our own citizens doesn't see the doom on the horizon.

There was a very good example in this morning's newspaper of how the GOP is trying to cut government spending; demolish everything without increasing revenue. That's tantamount to a household who must continue to house, feed, and clothe themselves without any income. At what point is the GOP going to wake up to the fact that revenue is needed just to survive?

They keep talking about giving bigger tax breaks to the rich. They have vacated all common sense and humanity.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 10:24 am
@cicerone imposter,


Yep,the dumbmasses don't yet see the radical liberal progressive democrat doom & gloom coming from just over the horizon.
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revelette
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 06:54 am
@cicerone imposter,
I am not sure what your post has to do with the thread title, but since you created the thread...

In my opinion, most GOP do not want the government to do much of anything besides the military and police and things of that nature so they do want to starve the government so we are forced to cut out the programs that they consider to be socialist. Of course, that is just my own conclusion that I have drawn over the years.

I think though they are coming to realize that though in theory most Americans voters like the idea of no taxes and say they want a limited government, when it comes down to naming specifics of what to cut, they start balking.

Example
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 07:07 am
Quote:
For those who keep asking why there should be an international intervention in Libya but not in Syria, here is one answer: Russia and China have blocked an attempt to have the United Nations Security Council from making any statement at all about the political repression in Syria, which has left an estimated 350-450 persons dead, most of them protesters rather than police or troops.

Moreover, Lebanon also opposed having a statement made, and no Arab country approached the UNSC to do something about Syria.

Russia argued that the situation in Syria is purely domestic and does not threaten international order.

France did lead a charge to get the UNSC to take a strong stand against the use of military means to repress dissent in Syria, but it was blocked. I don’t see how this disparity in the treatment of the two countries can be laid at the feet of “Western hypcrisy.” Surely if anything it is “Eurasian hypocrisy,” insofar as Russia and China declined to stop the condemnation of Libya or the call for a no-fly zone, but they have stopped so much as a slap on the wrist for Syria.

Of course, as bad as the situation in Syria is, it isn’t so far comparable to Libya, where the loss of life is in the thousands, not hundreds, and 30 tanks were lined up to fire on non-combatant crowds demonstrating in downtown Zawiya and Misrata.

The Baath regime’s crackdown in Deraa has in any case provoked the resignations of 200 members of the ruling Baath Party, most of them living in or near Deraa. Resigning from the authoritarian ruling party in protest was unheard of until this week.

This Aljazeera English report says that soldiers, armor and snipers are now everywhere in the southern city of Deraa, which has been invaded. There have also been defections from the officer corps to the dissenters, as in Deraa.


source


UN fails to agree on Syria condemnation



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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:06 am
@revelette,
Yes, so it seems that the GOP are out to kill socialism, but what they are doing is killing our economy. They can't continue to cut social programs while denying to approve any revenue. The only result in a bigger national debt that will bankrupt this country. We're now on life support, and the patient is dying.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:09 am
@cicerone imposter,


Obama and his radical progressive liberal democrats are killing our economy.
American's need to stand up and vote these that are harming our country out of office.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2011 07:04 am
Syrian Army Splits over Deraa Repression

Posted on 04/29/2011 by Juan

The Syrian regime of Bashar al-Asad’s decision to quell popular protests in Deraa with military force and live ammunition may have begun splitting his army. AP reports eyewitness accounts on Thursday that units of the 4th Army Division, headed by Maher al-Asad (the brother of the president), began firing on the crowds in Deraa. The 5th Division, comprised mainly of conscripts, opposed this step and tried to protect the people. Then the two divisions traded fire with one another!

The split is on a minor scale in an out of the way part of the country, but we social scientists look for signs of cracks in the military when there are attempts to open up the political system, because a divided military can aid the reformers.

The Deraa protesters insist that they are just a youth movement, and deny being Salafis or hard line Muslim revivalists


source


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2011 10:16 am
@revelette,
Well, that's the best news so far from Syria. I hope this is the beginning of the end of the Syrian government, but I know that the struggle will be a long one.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2011 10:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
From NYT.

Quote:
Syrians Take to Streets Despite Recent Crackdown
By ANTHONY SHADID
Published: April 29, 2011

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Thousands of Syrians took to the streets of several towns and cities Friday in what organizers had proclaimed a “Friday of Rage” against the government’s bloody crackdown of a six-week uprising that has begun to reshape politics in one of the Arab world’s most authoritarian countries, activists said.

At least three people were killed, the activists said. The toll pales before the deaths a week earlier, when at least 112 people were killed in the uprising’s bloodiest day, but activists said some phone lines and cellphone networks were cut, making information incomplete.

The turnout Friday was seen as a test of whether the government’s crackdown this week on Dara’a, one of the most restive towns, would dissuade demonstrators from returning to the streets. Though reports were largely anecdotal, activists said they believed that at least some form of protest took place in 34 towns and cities — including Kurdish regions in the east and the capital, Damascus, a symbol of the Assad family’s four decades of rule.

“With our blood, with our souls, we will sacrifice for you, Dara’a,” demonstrators chanted in Homs, the site of some of the biggest protests in the uprising against the government of President Bashar al-Assad.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2011 07:51 pm
Now that Gaddafi's youngest son and two grandchildren were killed, Gaddafi now has some idea of how it feels to lose loved ones. I'm not sure this will make any difference about his stepping down, but his pain is warranted, and I hope we see more of his family members killed. Gaddafi is a monster who needs to learn killing people is painful for family and friends.

He probably won't care until a bomb hits his head.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2012 03:10 am
Is there a more recent thread than this one to post about the latest developments in Syria?

Quote:
World condemns latest Syrian horror
Updated May 27, 2012 13:23:50/the AGE

Video: UN observers inspect bodies from horrific massacre at Houla, Syria
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Map: Syrian Arab Republic

Calls are mounting for the international community to take urgent action on Syria after reports of a horrific massacre by regime forces that killed dozens of people, including many children.

Britain said it was in urgent talks with allied countries on "a strong international response" while France said it was making plans to host a Friends of Syria meeting following the latest deadly violence. ....

......UN monitors said the bodies of more than 90 people were found in the town of Houla after activists reported a massacre by president Bashar al-Assad's forces on Friday, one of the bloodiest episodes in the 14 months since his regime launched a brutal crackdown on opponents.

The UN mission chief in Syria, Major General Robert Mood, condemned what he described as a "brutal tragedy" in Houla, where he said 92 bodies, including those of more than 32 children, had been counted.


"Those using violence for their own agendas will create more instability, more unpredictability and may lead the country to civil war," Major General Mood told reporters in Damascus, describing the violence as "indiscriminate and disproportionate."

Amateur videos posted on YouTube, apparently from Houla in Homs province, showed horrifying images of children lying dead on a floor. Some were badly mangled, with their skulls rent by shrapnel.

"We are consulting urgently with our allies on a strong international response, including at the UN Security Council, the EU and UN human rights bodies," British foreign secretary William Hague said in a statement.

He said London would seek an urgent session of the Security Council in coming days in response to "credible and horrific reports that a large number of civilians have been massacred" by Syrian forces in Houla.

"Our urgent priority is to establish a full account of this appalling crime and to move swiftly to ensure that those responsible are identified and held to account," he said.

Mr Hague called for the Syrian regime to cease all military operations in accordance with a peace plan brokered by UN special envoy Kofi Annan, and to allow monitors "full and immediate access" to Houla and other conflict areas.

Video: UN observer mission chief Major General Robert Mood condemns the violence in Houla (ABC News)

'Beyond humanity'

The rebel Free Syrian Army said after the killings that it was no longer committed to the UN-backed peace plan for Syria unless there was prompt UN intervention to protect civilians.

A member of the opposition Syrian National Council, Ausama Monajed, condemned the surge in violence:

"It is beyond humanity what we've seen last night, what Assad militiamen are capable of doing and are willing to do to retain their grip on power," he said.

"It is utterly unacceptable that this is happening on the UN monitoring mission watch."


The plan drawn up by UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan technically began on April 12, but violence and bloodshed have not stopped and a ceasefire that formed part of the plan has been breached daily.

France's new foreign minister Laurent Fabius said he was making immediate arrangements for the Friends of Syria nations - which include Britain but not key UN players China and Russia - to meet in Paris.

"I condemn the atrocities committed daily by Bashar al-Assad on his own people," Mr Fabius said. "With these new crimes his murderous regime plunges Syria further into horror and threatens regional stability."

Mr Fabius said he would speak to Mr Annan on Sunday, adding: "In the face of horror, the international community must mobilise still further to stop the martyrdom of the Syrian people."

German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle said he was "shocked and horrified" at the killings.

"It is appalling that the Syrian regime does not put an end to the brutal violence against its own people," Mr Westerwelle said in a statement.

"Those responsible for this crime must be punished."

ABC/AFP

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4034992-3x2-700x467.jpg
Photo: Children protest against Syria's president at Talbiseh, near Homs. (Reuters: Shaam News Network/handout)


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-27/world-condemns-latest-syrian-horror/4035516


Massacre of the children as Syrian forces hit rebels:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/26/syria-houla-military-assault-children
 

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