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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2023 10:08 am
@hightor,
That's America for you.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2023 09:10 pm
The republicans have made an absolute mess of congress it has been completely paralyzed for two weeks and shows no sign of getting any better. The republicans in congress are learning who the MAGA people really are. The thugs and threats have now been turned on the other republicans because they refuse to vote for a far-right extremist like Jim Jordan. The extreme right is doing what it always does try to use violence to get its way after all Donald Duck Trump has sicked his thugs on the republicans who won’t vote for the extremists. MAGA just doesn’t go after the congressmen they go after their families. The wives of some congressmen are sleeping with loaded guns extra guards have been posted at the schools their children attend. Welcome to America MAGA style.

Implicit in the MAGA philosophy is the use of force to get their way. From Trump down the threat of force is used to back up their position. When the republican party was taken over by the far-right extremists they began to scream that only they could save the country if democrats got control, they would completely destroy America the problem is that so many believe their lies and they stand ready in the wings to take over America with their guns. It sounds so much like Hitler when he took over Germany. If you really believed a foreign government was going to destroy America, you would fight to the death. The same goes if you actually believed that America was going to be destroyed from within. What started out as campaign rhetoric has become gospel to the true believers.

Today we have 109,003,518 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 109,001,273 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 2,245 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 1,179,690 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 1,179,685. That means that another 5 Americans died today from the Trump virus.

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2023 09:17 pm
@izzythepush,
Man will learn to move beyond superstition or mankind will become extinct and be just another species that vanished from the face of the earth. Fighting over what you imagine and what they imagine leaves everybody dead over nonsense.

Hitler is undergoing a revival and many more people than you can imagine think he is a hero.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2023 09:26 pm
@hightor,
There was a time in America when religion and politics was separate, but preachers realized that they controlled a massive number of votes and they looked into the abyss of politics, but the abyss of politics looked into them, and it changed them.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2023 03:47 am
@Zardoz,
You and Hightor have just embraced another form of bigotry.

You both consider people of faith to be primitive and stupid for believing in superstitions and you treat such people accordingly.

And like all propagandists you only use the most extreme examples to prove your point.

If your point actually had any value, you wouldn't need to cherry pick all the time.

Here's a church report that falls outside of your narrative.

Quote:
The Abbeville Fete celebrates London’s diversity, community spirit and local enterprise by bringing Londoners and visitors together in raising funds for five local causes:

• Ace of Clubs (a day centre for homeless and vulnerable members of the community)
• Lambeth Summer Projects Trust (enabling young people from deprived areas of the community to enjoy a summer programme of recreational and educational activities)
• Kid's City (providing before and after-school schemes and holiday play schemes for the children of local families)
• Home Start Lambeth (offering support, friendship and practical help to families with pre-school age children across Lambeth)
• Church of the Holy Spirit (Abbeville Road’s local Church - supporting their community outreach initiatives)

With more than 60 street stalls, a street BBQ and bar, a dedicated kids zone, a fancy dress parade (this year’s theme - seaside), live music and even a dog beauty pageant, the Abbeville Fete is one of South London’s main social gatherings with activities and fun for all the family.

Since its creation in 1997, the fete is estimated to have raised £250,000 for local charities.

The Abbeville Fete is a fund of the Church of the Holy Spirit. The legal entity used by the Fete for all its activities is the church charity number 1134600. The trustees responsible for the Fete, reporting to the Charities Commission, are the members of the Parochial Church Council (PCC). The PCC will receive a recommendation from the Fete committee as to how the funds generated are distributed. The fete committee look to find a balance between the charities in terms of the needs they serve and the charities being "local".



https://www.neighbourly.com/project/57179e80c333bd387c96095a/fundraising/572f79c39918895f44fd19f2

As long as people aren't preaching hate, they can believe whatever they want, and anyone truly interested in community cohesion would try to bring groups with differing beliefs together.

You don't want to do that, you want to condemn and divide, like most fundamentalists.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2023 09:45 pm
Trump is down to hiring law students and crazy lawyers. Trump lawyer argued that no one was hurt so the charges against Trump should be dropped. The judge told him that it was a frivolous argument and stop wasting the court’s time. So, if tomorrow when you go to work you are carjacked by a goon with a gun and the police later recover the car the goon should not be charged because no one was hurt. You should be able to commit any crime as long as no one is hurt. That is not what we have laws for, no one getting hurt might be a mitigating factor when it comes time to sentencing the criminal, but it is not a get out of jail free card.

Trump’s lawyer Alina Habba filed a lawsuit in Florida suing Hillary Clinton and 30 others the judge levied a $1 million fine against Habba and Trump. I hope Habba doesn’t expect for Trump to pay the fine. It does not say what the lawsuit was for but Trump files all kinds of frivolous lawsuits. Habba was the one who failed to ask for a jury trial in Trump’s fraud trial now the judge will decide how much the damages will be. Trump complained that he was not allowed a jury, but Habba failed to check a box. This is what happens when you swindle your lawyers.

Today we have 109,013,630 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 109,003,518 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 10,112 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 1,180,115 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 1,179,690. That means that another 425 Americans died today from the Trump virus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2023 09:58 pm
@izzythepush,
If you are against Nazis and white supremist, would it be called bigotry?

You do know that those religions originate from a time not far removed from the caveman days?

I have not been exposed to the most extreme forms of religion it was the local variety that bothers me.

If you took Einstein's famous equation and you entered some BS factors into equation, you would get garbage out of it. This is what happens with religion.

Many of the big drug dealers give lots of money to the community, does that make a difference to all the people that died from drug overdoses? The drug dealers are thought to be heroes in their communities does that make them heroes?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2023 03:05 am
@Zardoz,
All you do is go off on tangents.

It's certainly a lot easier than addressing the point made.

You don't just oppose white supremacists and Nazis, you oppose anyone who thinks differently from yourself.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2023 09:19 pm
There was an interesting article on MSN today all about religion. It seems that during the COVID pandemic that many Christians stayed home and looked for services on the Internet. They went on the internet and were algorithmically steered toward churches that preached more extreme doctrines. We now have the mega prosperity churches with massive memberships that teaches that God show his love to them by the amount of wealth they have. God loves billionaires a whole lot more than millionaires. They give bigger donations to the preacher.

Now the churches have expanded their doctrine to cover the Biblical view of Work and Welfare. It seems the teaching is that God hates poor people, that is why they are poor. It is just logical if the rich have so much because he loves them it follows that the poor are poor because God hates them. Could any idiot possibly believe this? Hundreds of thousands of Americans attend these churches every Sunday. When P T Barnum said there was a sucker born every minute, he was wrong there are millions born every day. Trump’s theory that everyone who cheats, steal, and lies to get a fortune because they are God’s chosen people.

Today we have 109,016,683 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 109,013.630 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 3,053 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 1,180,119 today, Yesterday the death toll stood at1,180,115. That means that another 4 Americans died today from the Trump virus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2023 09:28 pm
@izzythepush,
The main point was religion is fiction the tangents are used to support the main premise.

I have never been a fan of Nazis or white supremacists they are conformists also. The old story goes that a preacher was telling his flock it was alright to think differently. As example he said if everybody thought a like then everybody would want his wife and old drunk stood up in the back of the church and said if everybody thought like me nobody would want her. Such is life.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2023 06:17 am
@Zardoz,
The main point is that you consider people who do follow a religion, primitive and stupid.

You're not interested in reaching out to these people because they're wromg and deserve nothing but contempt.

You can go off on as many irrelevant, unfunny, horseshit tangents you want, but the fact is you're every bit as extreme as those you vilify.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2023 06:25 am
@izzythepush,
Let's not forget that Darwinism lead to Eugenics, the extermination and sterilisation of undesirables, not just in Nazi Germany but throughout the developed world.

That's where extremism leads, and atheism is no different from any other religion.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2023 09:38 pm
If Trump pays for your attorney, is that a conflict of interest? Trump has been paying for a lawyer of several his codefendants. Since in most cases it is the client who pays for their own attorneys, the attorneys will look after their client’s interests. If Trump pays for his codefendants’ attorneys, they will look out for Trump’s interests first. Should Trump be able to buy the silence of his codefendants? Recently Trump’s body man decided to drop Trump attorney and take a public defender. He changed his plea to guilty and took a deal from the government. He will now testify against Trump in the top-secret document case.

Trump is now comparing himself to Nelson Mandela saying he is willing to go to jail. Trump believes he is a political prisoner a true martyr for the cause of criminals across the world. Trump doesn’t believe the government should be able to enforce laws against criminals. It should be every man for himself. Trump says if you want to challenge the results of an election, they hound you. It wasn’t the challenging of the election that bothered anybody it was the attempt to defraud the American people that got him in trouble. Nobody said anything about the 60 court cases he filed.

Today we have 109,023,928 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 109,016,683 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 7,245 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 1,180,183 today, yesterday the death stood at 1,180,119. That means that another 64 Americans died today from the Trump virus.


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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2023 09:48 pm
@izzythepush,
People of all walks of life are taken in by cults, lawyers, doctors and other professionals ae taken in and that is what we are talking about cults. The biggest thing I hate about religion is it manufactures conformists and discourages free thought. The 9/11 hijackers are an example of what religion does.

It is the people at the top that are the problem not the followers.

They were not tangents but very relevant examples of the same thing. Religion tells you what to think, not how to think.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Oct, 2023 09:58 pm
@izzythepush,
Darwinism is still with us, but eugenics is long gone. Eugenics was attempted by the rich to eliminate the poor much like some Christian churches are claiming that the reason people are poor is because God despises them. You can see the foundation of the type of thinking that laid the groundwork for eugenics.

Atheism is not a religion it is the opposite of religion and holds that all of the world's religions are no more than superstition.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 25 Oct, 2023 03:39 am
@Zardoz,
You remind me of Reasoning Logic.

He also thought he was really smart just because he was an Atheist.

He believed the most ridiculous conspiracy bollocks including the claim that the US was still secretly part of the British Empire.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 25 Oct, 2023 03:44 am
Atheism is a religion.

If it wasn't you wouldn't be trying to proseletyse.

That bullshit arguement about it not being was put to bed long ago.

The Sunday Assembly is the bloody church, only it's even more bloody depressing.

And I know how awful church is, having been forced to go when I was a kid.

The Assembly tries to recreate all the best parts of church.

There's only one good part of church, going home.

I spend my Sundays at car boots, not banging on about the existence or non existence of God, because I have better things to do.

You clearly don't.

You're not talking to someone who lives within your narrow, uninformed world view.

Your bullshit doesn't work on me.

Have you ever been outside the US?

Btw, Mexico and Canada don't count.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Oct, 2023 08:57 pm
Comrade DeSantis now insists that the Jan 6th insurrection was not an insurrection it was just a protest that turned into a riot. Most protests are for something that has already happened like the protests after George Floyd was killed but that was not the case Jan 6. The mob of Trump thugs was there to try and stop the certification of the election. While the Trump thugs were not able to stop the certification, they did delay it until the next day.

The insurrection unlike a political protest had a clear objective to take control of the Federal government function. Donald Duck Trump had convinced his thugs that unless they fought like hell and kept him in power that they would lose their country. They had to hide the senators and representatives from the Trump thugs in basement tunnels. The senators and representatives armed themselves with ink pins to fight the Trump thugs in hand to hand. Does anyone remember a protest where government employees had to be hidden in secret chambers and be prepared to fight to the death? Protestors don’t chant to have senators hung. There was no doubt about this was an insurrection and the republicans can’t talk it away.

Today we have 109,047,729 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 109,023,928 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 23,801 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 1,180,288 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 1,180,183. That means that another 105 Americans died today from the Trump virus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Oct, 2023 08:59 pm
@izzythepush,
I don't believe in conspiracy theories any more than magical grandfather who created the universe and everything in it.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Oct, 2023 09:17 pm
@izzythepush,
Atheism is not a religion all religions share one thing in common they are based on magical thinking. There is no magical thinking in atheism.

I don't know who came up with that argument, but it sounds like a typical child's argument I know I am but what are you where they are calling each other names.

I never missed church before I was 18 and two of my best friends when I was growing up became preachers.

I remember how the church supported the Sunday blue laws. If you opened a business on Sunday, you were arrested and sent to jail. But the priest after his sermon on preventing businesses from operating on Sunday, he would encourage the congregation to stop at the church bake sale next door.

I have never been outside the US, and I have never wanted to.
 

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