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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 31 Mar, 2020 08:53 pm
@Zardoz,
Unfortunately in the early days of the pandemic the President was distracted by frivolous impeachment charges being levied against him.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Mar, 2020 09:12 pm
@Baldimo,
Italy’s population was also much older than most countries and when people were ordered to stay home, they ignored it. The Governor of New York has done an excellent job of explaining what a mess the for-profit medicine makes in a true medical emergency. Each state is now bidding for much needed medical equipment and supplies. FEMA is also bidding for the same equipment and supplies. What happens when supply is low and demand is high the price goes through the roof. A ten-cent mask is now going for seven dollars. Ventilators sold for under twenty thousand dollars two weeks ago are now costing $50,000. If you had national healthcare the items would be secured by one buyer and distributed by that buyer to the needed locations. Hospitals are competitors and spend a good deal of healthcare money on advertising instead of healthcare. In a for profit stem resources can not be stock piled and moth balled. We need tens of thousands of hospital beds that we don’t have. The military stock piles and moth balls equipment for times of a war. A for pro-fit medical system will build only what is needed during ordinary demand.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Mar, 2020 09:45 pm
There are now 188,713 cases of coronavirus, yesterday there were 163,479 cases of coronavirus yesterday. That is 25,234 new cases of coronavirus in a day. The death toll stands at 3,896 today yesterday it was 3146. That means 750 people died today that is the highest single day death toll.

I have been using the Bing coronavirus tracker from Microsoft for stats, for the most part. I notice that some other sources vary. For instance, CNN was placing the single day death toll at 770. Either way we will soon overtake Italy and the single day death toll will be over 1,000. The low end death toll estimate is now 200,000 the high end two million.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 1 Apr, 2020 02:27 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Unfortunately in the early days of the pandemic the President was distracted by frivolous impeachment charges being levied against him.


Don't try to rewrite current events.

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Today Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) tried a different argument for Trump’s frittering away two months that would have protected us from the worst of the pandemic. McConnell told radio host Hugh Hewitt that the impeachment trial of Trump had distracted the president from paying adequate attention to the coronavirus.

This was too much for George Conway, founder of the anti-Trump super PAC the Lincoln Project. In an op-ed for the Washington Post, he called it “gaslighting of the highest order.” “Look at the calendar,” he wrote. Impeachment was pretty much over on January 31, when Senators killed the idea of testimony, although the final vote wasn't until February 5. Trump went to Mar-a-Lago at least four times in the first two months of the year, held frequent campaign rallies, and repeatedly went golfing. And he commented often on the coronavirus, telling reporters and tweeting that “we have it totally under control.”

From a political standpoint, as well, this argument doesn’t hold water. If Trump and his advisors were focusing at all on the coronavirus in those crucial weeks, they would have deployed then the argument that impeachment was hurting their ability to respond adequately to the crisis. It was a winning political argument that would have played well across the country (in addition to promoting our ability to fight the epidemic).

For his part, Trump seemed torn between having an excuse and having to admit he hadn’t done a bang-up job. During today’s press briefing, he said: “Did it divert my attention? I think I'm getting A+'s for the way I handled myself during a phony impeachment, OK? ... But certainly, I guess, I thought of it and I think I probably acted -- I don't think I would have done any better had I not been impeached, OK?”
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 1 Apr, 2020 03:59 am
@hightor,
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1 McConnell just said impeachment diverted the attention of the government from the coronavirus in January.

Did impeachment make Trump fire the US pandemic response team in 2018?

Did impeachment make Trump say on February 28 that there would be zero cases in a few days?

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) March 31, 2020

2 Astonishingly stupid defense/excuse by McConnell. The CDC,HHS, etc weren’t delayed,distracted by the impeachment hearings warned the administration repeatedly. Absurd for him to says this. Shows Mitch for exactly who and what he is. Dreadful.

— Adam Dorn aka Mocean Worker. (@moceanworker) March 31, 2020

3 Don’t spend a second debating McConnell’s claim impeachment distracted Trump. Or on Trump’s TV ratings tweets. Or on Trump’s bigoted labeling of the virus.

It’s all intended to distract you from the real story.

Trump’s lies and mismanagement are killing Americans.

— Dave Pell (@davepell) March 31, 2020

4 Not to mention, just read Trump's twitter feed during that time – you will see a lot of distractions that have nothing to do with impeachment.

— Sasha Stone (@AwardsDaily) March 31, 2020

5 Republicans will use impeachment as their scapegoat, but here’s what they can never escape:

Donald Trump ignored the warnings, refused to prepare, and lied about it for weeks. We’re dying & losing our jobs because we weren’t ready. That’s on Trump. He owns our awful response.

— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) March 31, 2020

6 While his sycophants are rolling out the line that impeachment was a distraction that hurt the coronavirus response, the president is out here proving that he can think about more than one thing at a time. It's a Passover miracle.

— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) March 31, 2020

7 A source at a conservative firm doing Trump/RNC work tells me the Message of the Day is "Impeachment kept Trump from focusing on the virus."

This person and I went from great friends (2000s to 2016) then frenemies (2017-2019) and now this person is PISSED.

More to follow.

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) March 31, 2020

8 I consider the "the US is facing a crisis because impeachment distracted the President" line so stupid as to be unworthy of comment.

— Steve Metz (@steven_metz) March 31, 2020

9 Yes the false impeachment talking point of the day. Predictable. Trump forever the victim. Never ask him to be accountable. Don’t you get bored listening to yourself?…I know the answer — ‘liberal media’ bleh bleh bleh. Advice: Have a thought of your own. The cult’s collapsing.

— Dan Janison (@Danjanison) March 31, 2020

10 "Trump was so distracted by impeachment he couldn't focus on Corona!"

Except when he was golfing about a dozen times between January 1st and March 8th.

Anyone want to fill in the dates?

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) March 31, 2020

11 The narrative that @realDonaldTrump was too distracted by Impeachment to do his job and focus on a devastating virus that might kill millions is not the hill the GOP should want to die on…

— Pedro Rafael Rosado (@prrosado) March 31, 2020

12 "Trump was so distracted by impeachment that he couldn't focus on the coronavirus."

Then maybe he shouldn't have committed impeachable conduct?

Just spitballing here.

— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) March 31, 2020

13 Impeachment didn’t keep Trump from caring about the virus. Trump kept Trump from caring about the virus.

— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) March 31, 2020

14 What's absolutely maddening about this is that the impeachment "distraction" ended on Feb. 5, 54 days ago.

— Dan Murphy (@bungdan) March 31, 2020

15 Trump is now trying to convince America that he couldn't focus on coronavirus because of impeachment.

From January to March of this year, Trump took *6* different weekend golf vacations.

— Mikel Jollett (@Mikel_Jollett) March 31, 2020

16 “I don’t get involved. I let the lawyers handle it.” — Trump, endlessly about impeachment

— Jamie O’Grady ⚡ (@JamieOGrady) March 31, 2020

17 Don’t even try this “impeachment distracted him from corona virus!” hook, GOP.
Seriously. Jesus. Just don’t.

— Peter Zizzo (@pzizzo) March 31, 2020

18 Impeachment didn't interrupt Trump's golf schedule but Republicans would have you believe it rendered him incapable of taking a pandemic seriously.

— Joshua Holland 🔥 (@JoshuaHol) March 31, 2020

19 According to @senatemajldr the impeachment trial diverted government attention from the growing coronavirus. That’s like saying you forgot to get dressed this morning because you were diverted by breakfast.

— Gideon Emery (@gideonemery) March 31, 2020

20 The final impeachment vote occurred on Feb 5. Trump can't blame anyone but himself for his COVID-19 denialism in the weeks after that.

— Amanda Carpenter (@amandacarpenter) March 31, 2020
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 1 Apr, 2020 04:38 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Don't try to rewrite current events.

For the entire first month of the pandemic, the President was busy defending himself from frivolous impeachment charges.

The deaths that are about to occur in the US are entirely the fault of American progressives.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 1 Apr, 2020 08:31 pm
@oralloy,
To say that a person can’t walk and chew gum at the same time is one thing but to say that the federal government can’t do that is another. Trump had an army of attorneys to defend him during the impeachment he did not take an active part in his defense. The Federal government was warned way before the impeachment started that we were woefully unprepared for a pandemic and Trump did NOTHING. When the pandemic started Trump had those infected with coronavirus bought back into the country and scattered them across the nation. The people expected to take care of them did not even have the basic protective equipment and there are not only whistleblowers but pictures documenting this. You can look how well protected the people in China that were sanitizing the streets were and compare that to the half-covered workers unloading the planes of highly contagious coronavirus cases. It happened on Trump’s watch and oh what a mess he made of it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 1 Apr, 2020 08:51 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
It happened on Trump’s watch and oh what a mess he made of it.

It's not Trump's fault that he was being lynched on frivolous charges during the first month of the pandemic.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 1 Apr, 2020 09:07 pm
Today we have 216,154 coronavirus cases yesterday we had 188,713. That is an additional 27,441 cases of coronavirus today.

The death toll stands at 5,115 yesterday it was 3,896. The death toll increased by 1,219 today. This is the first day the death toll has increased by more than a 1,000 in one day. Last Wednesday the death toll increased by only 249. It has quadrupled in a week if it quadruples again next Wednesday the death toll will be 4,516 a day. We are going to be far worse than Italy when outbreak is over.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 08:38 pm
We now have 244,646 cases of coronavirus, yesterday we had 216,154 coronavirus that is an increase of 28,492.

The coronavirus has claimed the lives of 6,059 Americans, yesterday the death toll was 5,159 that means that there were 900 deaths from coronavirus today.

It is hard to believe that we now have three times as many coronavirus cases as China. What happened in China was a nightmare but what is happening in America is a nightmare on steroids. New York is only a preview for what will soon happen in the rest of America. We will easily reach ten million cases of coronavirus.

A preacher in one of those mega churches Florida defied the law and held services despite the law. The preacher’s actions will result in thousands of deaths by holding services. He should be treated no different than if he were spraying the crowd with bullets from an AR-15. Then maybe god could explain it to him. Florida will be worse than New York when it starts up.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2020 09:37 pm
The disease continues to ravage America. We now have 277,491 cases of coronavirus, yesterday we had 244,646 cases of coronavirus. That is an increase of 32,845 cases.

The death toll today stands at 7,144, yesterday it was 6,059. That is an increase of 1,085. We might as well get use to the death toll being over 1,000 it will be a long time before it falls below that. We are now seeing the number of deaths exceeding those killed in 9/11 every three days.

Now Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has declared the National Stock pile does not belong to the states. It seems that it is now Kushner’s stock pile and he will do what he pleases with it. Kushner has no business in the government to start with, he cannot get a security clearance. Trump put Kushner in charge of coronavirus task force so he can override the medical professionals.

In a political move Trump demand the Captain of the aircraft carrier be relieved of duty because Trump did not want the bad publicity. Trump objected to the letter being sent on an unsecured system and leaked to the public. Trump want our sailors to suffer and die in silence because it will hurt his chances for reelection. Trump continually leaks to his pet reporters. Does anybody believe that there are not many more of our battleships that have the coronavirus and it is being kept from the public? Imagine being on a submarine full of coronavirus. These ships are in ports all over the world and like cruise ships they are bound to pick up the coronavirus. What else is Trump and Kushner keeping from the public?
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2020 08:36 pm
There are now 310,016 cases of coronavirus, yesterday there were 277,491. That means that there are 32,525 more cases of coronavirus today that is nearly a 12% increase in one day. We are nearing a milestone where 1% of Americans are infected with the coronavirus or dead. Prior to the coronavirus arriving in America the doctors expected that 60% of Americans will get the coronavirus.

The death toll is mounting it stands at 8,438 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 7,144. The death toll increased by 1,294 today. That is the biggest increase in single day so far. If we end up with 60% infection rate the death toll will be 506,280.

What we need to lead us out of this mess is a failed businessman who bankrupted 8 businesses and is living on money borrowed from the Russians.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 08:49 pm
We now have 336,958 cases of coronavirus, yesterday we had 310,016. That is a one day increase of 26,942.

As of today, 9,626 Americans have died of the coronavirus, yesterday the death toll stood at 8,348. That means that 1,278 Americans died today. The death toll in China from the coronavirus was 3,331 in total, we beat that every three days.

Trump now believes he is a doctor and can prescribe drugs. One of the doctors went on television and said that only doctors prescribe drugs and Trump should not be prescribing drugs for the coronavirus. What should happen is Trump should be charged with practicing medicine without a license.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2020 01:48 pm
@Zardoz,
He never prescribed anything.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2020 02:13 pm
@Baldimo,
He's not a physician so, literally, he can't "prescribe" anything. But as someone who holds the highest office in the land and is in charge of the government's response to the pandemic his words carry a degree of import and may very well lead gullible people to self-medicate with a powerful drug not shown to be effective as a treatment for this disease.

It's classic Trump. Trusting his "gut instinct" he recommends that people take this drug. Say that in six months it's shown to be effective — he'll claim to be a genius. If it doesn't work the news cycle will have moved on and no one will remember

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President Trump doubled down Sunday on his push for the use of an anti-malarial drug against the coronavirus, issuing medical advice that goes well beyond scant evidence of the drug’s effectiveness as well as the advice of doctors and public health experts.

Mr. Trump’s recommendation of hydroxychloroquine, for the second day in a row at a White House briefing, was a striking example of his brazen willingness to distort and outright defy expert opinion and scientific evidence when it does not suit his agenda.

Standing alongside two top public health officials who have declined to endorse his call for widely administering the drug, Mr. Trump suggested that he was speaking on gut instinct and acknowledged that he had no expertise on the subject.

Saying that the drug is “being tested now,” Mr. Trump said that “there are some very strong, powerful signs” of its potential, although health experts say that the data is extremely limited and that more study of the drug’s effectiveness against the coronavirus is needed.

“But what do I know? I’m not a doctor,” Mr. Trump added.

“If it does work, it would be a shame we did not do it early,” Mr. Trump said, noting again that the federal government had purchased and stockpiled 29 million pills of the drug. “We are sending them to various labs, our military, we’re sending them to the hospitals.”

Mr. Trump, who once predicted that the virus might “miraculously” disappear by April because of warm weather, and who has rejected scientific consensus on issues like climate change, was undaunted by skeptical questioning.

“What do you have to lose?” Mr. Trump asked, for the second day in a row, saying that terminally ill patients should be willing to try any treatment that has shown some promise.

When a reporter at Sunday’s briefing asked Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to weigh in on the subject, Mr. Trump stopped him from answering. As the reporter noted that Dr. Fauci, who has been far more skeptical about the drug’s potential, was the president’s medical expert, Mr. Trump made it clear he did not want the doctor to answer.

“You know how many times he’s answered that question? Maybe 15 times,” the president said, stepping toward the lectern where Dr. Fauci was standing.

Even as Mr. Trump has promoted the drug, which is also often prescribed for patients with lupus, it has created rifts within his own coronavirus task force. And while many hospitals have chosen to use hydroxychloroquine in a desperate attempt to treat dying patients who have few other options, others have noted that it carries serious risks. In particular, the drug can cause a heart arrhythmia that can lead to cardiac arrest.

Dr. Megan L. Ranney, an emergency physician at Brown University in Rhode Island, said in an interview on Sunday night that she had never seen an elected official advertise a miracle cure the way Mr. Trump has.

“There are side effects to hydroxychloroquine,” Dr. Ranney said. “It causes psychiatric symptoms, cardiac problems and a host of other bad side effects.”

Dr. Ranney said that the drug could be effective for some patients, but that there was not nearly enough scientific evidence to support Mr. Trump’s claims.

“There may be a role for it for some people,” she said, “but to tell Americans ‘you don’t have anything to lose,’ that’s not true. People certainly have something to lose by taking it indiscriminately.”

Hydroxychloroquine has not been proved to work against Covid-19 in any significant clinical trials. A small trial by Chinese researchers made public last week found that it helped speed the recovery in moderately ill patients, but the study was not peer-reviewed and had significant limitations. Earlier reports from France and China have drawn criticism because they did not include control groups to compare treated patients with untreated ones, and researchers have called the reports anecdotal. Without controls, they said, it is impossible to determine whether the drugs worked.

But Mr. Trump on Sunday dismissed the notion that doctors should wait for further study.

“We don’t have time to go and say, ‘Gee, let’s take a couple of years and test it out,’ and let’s go out and test with the test tubes and the laboratories,” Mr. Trump said. “I’d love to do that, but we have people dying today.”

Mr. Trump is typically joined at his briefings by top medical advisers, including Dr. Fauci and Dr. Deborah L. Birx, his coronavirus coordinator. But the president does most of the talking, and has told several advisers that the briefings give him free airtime and good ratings.

A day earlier, Dr. Fauci had privately challenged rising optimism about the drug’s efficacy during a meeting of the coronavirus task force in the White House’s Situation Room, according to two people familiar with the events who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a conversation in a sensitive setting. The argument was first reported by the website Axios.

The meeting’s agenda included the question of how the administration would discuss chloroquines. Dr. Stephen Hahn, the Food and Drug Administration commissioner, gave an update on chloroquines, and what various tests and anecdotal evidence had shown. Peter Navarro, the president’s trade adviser who is overseeing supply chain issues related to the coronavirus, asked to join the meeting, said the people briefed on what took place.

Mr. Navarro, who has been pushing to secure chloroquines at the president’s request to provide to caregivers, walked in with a sheaf of folders he had placed on a chair next to him, plopped them on the table and said he had seen studies from various countries, as well as information culled from officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, showing the “clear” efficacy of the drug in treating the coronavirus. Mr. Navarro also argued that the medicine was being used by doctors and nurses on the front lines of the coronavirus fight.

Dr. Fauci pushed back, echoing remarks he has made in interviews in the past week that rigorous study is still necessary. Mr. Navarro, an economist by training, shot back that the information he had collected was “science,” according to the people familiar with the episode.

Vice President Mike Pence tried to tamp down the debate, and as emotions calmed, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, advised Mr. Navarro to “take yes for an answer.” The president went to the briefing room lectern a short while later and glowed about chloroquine use, suggesting he might even take it himself despite not having symptoms or evidence of the virus.

Katie Miller, a spokeswoman for Mr. Pence, declined to comment, saying the administration does not discuss events in the Situation Room.

Last month, an Arizona man died and his wife was hospitalized after officials said they treated themselves with a deadly home remedy for the coronavirus — a popular fish tank additive that has the same active ingredient as an anti-malaria drug.

Medical professionals are also concerned that a run on hydroxychloroquine for potential coronavirus treatment could create shortages for people who need it for its traditional uses.

In a March 25 joint statement, the American Medical Association and two pharmacists’ associations noted that doctors and pharmacists have been prescribing the drug for their families and colleagues and that some pharmacies and hospitals had purchased “excessive amounts of these medications in anticipation of potentially using them for Covid-19 prevention and treatment.”

“The organizations strongly oppose these actions,” the statement said, citing potential “grave consequences for patients with conditions such as lupus or rheumatoid arthritis if the drugs are not available in the community.”

Since patients with heart troubles and other underlying conditions are more likely to be severely affected by the coronavirus, they may also be at higher risk of dangerous side effects from hydroxychloroquine, said Dr. Kenneth B. Klein, a consultant who works for drug companies to design and evaluate their clinical trials.

“What have we got to lose?” Dr. Klein said, echoing Mr. Trump’s remarks. “We’ve got patients to lose from dangerous side effects.”

Mr. Trump did mention the potential risks to patients with heart troubles, but Dr. Klein said that even people with normal hearts are at risk for developing a fatal arrhythmia. And he said other medications could interact with hydroxychloroquine and cause serious medical complications.

“Then the doctor would have to spend time thinking, could this drug be playing a role, either directly or indirectly?” Dr. Klein said.

Other researchers have noted that while future trials may show a benefit, hydroxychloroquine has disappointed in the past, even though it has been tested as a treatment for other viruses, including influenza.

“Hydroxychloroquine has been studied as a possible antiviral therapy for many decades,” said Dr. Luciana Borio, who oversaw public health preparedness for the National Security Council in Mr. Trump’s White House and was the acting chief scientist at the F.D.A. under President Barack Obama.

“Despite showing evidence of activity against several viruses in the laboratory, it never showed success in randomized clinical trials.”


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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2020 08:56 pm
We now have 367,461 cases of coronavirus, yesterday we had 310,016. That means that there were 57,445 new cases. Yesterday we had 32,525 new cases. It does not appear the curve is leveling off it appears to be getting far steeper.

The death toll now stands at 10,910, yesterday it was 8,438. That means that 2,472 people died today that is nearly twice as many people died today as yesterday. Even if New York begins to level off several other big cities are about to come on line. New York has a big population but it is only 2 ½ % of the nation’s population.

Some of the churches continue to disobey the law and will end causing thousands of unnecessary deaths do to them congregating. One church in California had 70 cases of coronavirus among its members.

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2020 09:10 pm
@Baldimo,
Trump is telling all these desperate people that are looking for a miracle cure that this drug will save them from death. Overnight the supplies of that drug dried up and the people that needed the drug to survive no longer had access to it. One person died taking the drug in a different form. There is a reason drugs go through double blind tests before they go to market. What they found out was if a doctor believed a drug worked on disease the doctor would always find the drug worked but when tested in a double-blind test it would show it did no good and often more harm. Anybody that has watched a drug commercial know the side effect of a drug is worse than the disease. You may have a drug that clears up acme that has side effects that could result in death. Side effects are different for different people.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 09:13 pm
We now have 399,667 cases of coronavirus, yesterday there was 367,461 cases of coronavirus. That means we had an increase of 32,206 cases of coronavirus in one day. These will be the people dying in two weeks. We now have 5 times the total cases of coronavirus in China.

The death toll stands at 12,878 today, yesterday the death toll was 10,910. That means that 1,968 Americans died today of coronavirus. The total death in China is 3,333. We are trajectory to do that in a day.

Trump is looking for an excuse and they are throwing everything they can think of up against the wall and seeing if something will stick. Trump is now blaming the World Health Organization and demanding the resignations of its leader. According to Trump the World Health Organization did not tell him how dangerous the coronavirus was. The Coronavirus outbreak in China was on television every night for a month. Trump has a wall of televisions he watches constantly. Trump now says he did not bother to read the reports from members of his own administration that the coronavirus was going to be a disaster. Trump does not like to read, if it is not on Fox News it is not important to Trump. One thing you can count on if WHO had sent a hundred reports telling Trump what disaster was coming to America Trump would never bother to read them. Trump either can’t read or doesn’t like to.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 09:21 pm
@Zardoz,
Why would Mr. Trump need an excuse?

He's not the person who distracted the government with frivolous impeachment charges for the entire first month of the pandemic.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2020 01:39 am
@oralloy,
Are you saying that Trump got distracted?
 

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