It might not have anything to do with gun control but it has everything to do with the NRA and mass murderers.
It shows the right’s mind set if the government does something they don’t agree with, it gives them license to massacre the general public for retaliation and you think these people should have tanks and heavy artillery.
At one time the most common reason given to own a gun was hunting, now one of the more common reasons given by those on the right to justify owning a gun is to violently overthrow the government.
Timothy McVeigh doesn’t seem so radical when the rest of the rights think they need a gun to violently overthrow the government.
Timothy McVeigh was just trying to overthrow a government “he did not like.”
Who is stirring hate in America today? The racist bigot Trump.
Trump is taking these crazies and aiming them like a gun and pulling the trigger.
Who on the left has condemned and single out a particular race of people as “gang members,” prostitutes,” “drug dealers,” and calling them an infestation and agreeing with his crowds at his rallies that they should be killed?
You are putting guns in the hands of children is a cold hard fact because it has already happened.
Gun nut in school leaves a gun in an unlocked locker and a ninth grader finds and is wandering around school with a loaded weapon.
Don’t tell me it won’t happen because it already has, along with holes blown through the walls and ceilings of class rooms.
Over “30 accidents” already some with children injured. There is absolutely no such thing as a safe gun.
Don’t you understand it has already happened and that is a fact.
If people can forget and leave their babies in the back of a parked car do you think they would do any better with a gun.
Think about some of your teachers would you really want them to have a gun?
Like the cop said he would run screaming from the school if teachers were allowed to carry guns. He works there every day and that is his expert opinion.
It has not been a case or two it has been thirty “accidents” with guns in school and there will be many more with students killed and injured by gun nuts.
We already know that there have been thirty incidences of guns being accidently discharged in schools and at three students have already been injured.
What this world coming to when first graders keep beating up their teachers. You think all first-grade teachers should have guns to shoot those pesky first graders who refuse to mind.
That is why people kill people, they were angry. A teacher involved in a fight with a teenager is just like Zimmerman. So, you are advocating killing school children now. I guess that is a way to get read of the problem students.
The facts are out there all you have to do is run a search.
Gun manufactures knew full well that assault weapons were designed with one purpose in mind, the outright massacres of human beings and like any drug pusher, they pushed them on the public. Guns are designed to kill people, they kill their wives, husbands, children and even themselves.
The definition of a mass shooting is very simple it is any shooting that kills or injures four or more people. It does not come with a list of exemptions, for crimes, murder suicides, or cloudy days. If there were any exemptions, they would be listed in the definition of mass shootings.
A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of firearm violence. There is no widely accepted definition of the term mass shooting. The United States' FBI defines a "mass murder" as "four or more murdered during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders." Based on this, it is generally agreed that a mass shooting is whenever four or more people are shot (injured or killed), not including the shooter(s).
Polls are used to determine many different things and are usually accurate.
Most gun owners love to brag about their guns that is why they are so frequently robbed.
An interactive map showing the names and addresses of all handgun permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties has infuriated many readers since it was posted Saturday on a newspaper's website.
The extremists are no longer rare in the Republican party they have become main stream under Trump who even says the Neo-Nazis and KKK members are “fine people” they help put Trump over the top in the last election and he knows it.
We have managed the borders for hundreds of years before Trump came along and they will be managed long after he is gone.
Trump has been responsible for bringing more illegal aliens into America than anyone else.
Martin was living there at the time and had been for a week. He was staying at his uncle house.
The only reason Martin is dead is because Zimmerman did not do what the Police department told him to do.
They told him to stop following Zimmerman. When Zimmerman refuse to follow the police department’s orders he was responsible for what happened.
If you were being followed at night by a stranger would you not feel threatened.
Zimmerman had assumed, he had police powers, and believed he could enforce the law.
Actual witnesses say that it was only an argument and there are no marks on Martin that would show that an attack took place.
Everything from the position of the body, to the lack of injuries to Martin, to witness statements say that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
The medical and scientific evidence shows that Trayvon Martin was leaning over George Zimmerman when the neighborhood watch volunteer fired the fatal shot into the unarmed teenager’s chest, a forensic pathologist testified Tuesday.
Dr. Vincent Di Maio, an expert testifying for the defense, gave a version of events that was consistent with the defense’s theory of the deadly confrontation between Zimmerman, 29, and Martin, 17, on Feb. 26, 2012, in Sanford, Fla.
Di Maio said that he had examined the autopsy, toxicology and photographic evidence and concluded that the evidence was consistent with Zimmerman’s statements to authorities that Martin was straddling him and that Zimmerman fired his gun with his right hand. The path of the bullet ran from Martin’s left side through part of his heart and into a portion of the right lung, Di Maio testified.
That still makes Zimmerman bigger than Martin.
If there had been a fist fight there should have been some marks on Martin. Zimmerman is running on adrenaline and should have done a lot of damage to Martin.
If Zimmerman had stopped following Martin when the police department told him to it would not have mattered if Martin was seven feet tall.
Travon was not the bully Zimmerman was following him after the police department told him not to.
Martin had no marks on his hands other than a small cut if he had done that much damage too Zimmerman, Martin knuckles would have shown damage.
The fight took place because Zimmerman did not stop following Martin as instructed by the police department.
Zimmerman is a bully and will continue to instigate fights and if you check his prior record you will find he instigate fights all through school.
Shooting by Matthew Apperson
On September 9, 2014, Zimmerman was named by police in a road rage incident in which another driver, later named by police as Matthew Apperson, claimed that Zimmerman followed and threatened him.[61][62] Zimmerman later claimed in testimony that Apperson approached him over a rear tire leaking air, which Zimmerman was already aware of. He had explained this to Apperson before Apperson asked if Zimmerman knew he was "wrong for killing that little black boy". Zimmerman lost Apperson after the two stopped at a gas station and Zimmerman drove off.[63]
On May 11, 2015, Apperson shot at Zimmerman while the two were driving in separate cars on a street in Lake Mary. Zimmerman was grazed by glass and metal shards when the bullet broke through his passenger-side window and was stopped by the metal window frame, causing minor facial injuries from flying glass and debris. Zimmerman flagged down a police officer and was taken to the hospital.[64][65][66] Apperson maintained that Zimmerman was the aggressor and that Apperson acted in self-defense.[67][68] Zimmerman also had a gun with him at the time of the incident, but Zimmerman's attorney said that "George absolutely denies having shown it, waved, displayed, pointed it." A Lake Mary police spokesperson stated that "the investigation has proven that George Zimmerman was not the shooter."[67]
On May 15, 2015, Apperson was jailed in Sanford, Florida with a bond of $35,000.[69] While free on bond, Apperson was accused, convicted and jailed for disorderly conduct, which revoked his bond.[70] Lake Mary PD "learned that Apperson has exhibited unusual behaviors in which he had recently been admitted to a mental institution. It appears that Apperson has a fixation on Zimmerman and has displayed some signs of paranoia, anxiety, and bipolar disorder."[71]
On September 22, 2015, a judge ruled Apperson would stand trial for second-degree attempted murder along with one count of aggravated assault and one count of shooting into an occupied vehicle.[63][70][72] Apperson was convicted of attempted murder and aggravated assault with a firearm on September 16, 2016.[73] On October 17, 2016, Apperson was sentenced to 20 years in prison on the charge of attempted 2nd-degree murder. He was also given a 15-year concurrent sentence for aggravated assault stemming from the same incident.[74][75]
There was a stand your ground case on this evening where a man thought he heard his neighbor make a threat against him. He got his gun and went next door and fired thirty-one shots into the neighbors. After he shot them several times, he knelt over them and put bullets in their heads. His lawyer was making the point that as long as he felt threatened, under the stand your ground law, he is entitled to go to their house and kill them. They may have not said a thing but as long as he “felt” threatened he is entitled to kill them. The case is yet to go to trial. The stand you’re your ground law is based on what the aggressor “feels.”
The stand your ground cases are far more common than you may realize because they don’t all get a lot of publicity.
Why put the effort in to commit the perfect crime when you can murder anyone right out in public and use the stand your ground law to get out of it.
The hit man can try to get away with murder and take a chance of being caught or he can simply pick a fight with him and after the husband get the best of him pull out his gun and blow him away in a crowed room. It is justifiable homicide. As more people realize how useful the stand your ground law is, legalized murder will become common. Got a girl-friend with a husband, he is sure to fight with little prodding and you get to spend his life insurance with his grieving widow. A fist fight use to be just a fist fight but now it is a one-sided gun fight.
That is exactly how that law works. Zimmerman was the aggressor and the police had told him to stop following Martin and that is exactly how that worked.
I quoted verbatim from the article on the 2018 election it concerned the Democrats not the Republicans. If you are a runner and set a personal record (PR) for a half marathon it may not be a PR for another runner.
I quoted verbatim from the article on the 2018 election it concerned the Democrats not the Republicans. If you are a runner and set a personal record (PR) for a half marathon it may not be a PR for another runner.
Where do you see anything about republican in “the biggest gains for democrats in a generation?”
It was posted on Trump web site that he would eliminate any income taxes for those making under $50,000 when he got elected that was taken down and replaced with billion tax cuts for landlords like Trump and chump change for those making under $50,000.
People have downloaded the Trump tax cut from his website and it is referenced in several books.
Trump absolutely loves a good lie it is how he got ahead.
The actual studies show the less educated you are the more likely you are a Trump voter.
The book is now out written by Fusion GPS telling you the Republicans paid for over 50% of that report. They were interviewed on television. Washington Free Beacon is owned by a deep pocket Republican donor. Now you and the rest of the Republicans can read the whole truth from the horse’s mouth who took the Republicans checks. All these Republicans have businesses front so they can take the contributions off of their taxes.
Russia hoax
A hoax is a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth. It is distinguishable from errors in observation or judgment, rumors, urban legends, pseudosciences, and April Fools' Day events that are passed along in good faith by believers or as jokes.
Are you saying that Russian meddling in the 2016 election didn't happen?
The DNC wasted 3 years trying to get Trump removed from office, because he beat their candidate, instead of working on the 2020 election.
Guns are tools and they are made for a purpose and that purpose is killing people.
When weapons of war are designed, they are designed to kill the most people in the shortest amount of time. Killing is there intended purpose.
Ninety-three percent of people have watched as the most important lesson their children learn in school now is how to hide from a mass murderer with an assault weapon. That is what is changing minds.
Since I didn’t do the studies is often hard to find a particular study.
“A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2,000 and 2,013”
Try that study.
What lesson do you think you learned from 9/11?
Whether you had assault weapons or you didn’t would not have made any difference.
The only thing that 9/11 didn’t teach us was to stay out of the middle east and forget about the Republican Project for a New American Century to make the middle east over in our image.
You are right any study that returns a result of between 500,000 and 2.5 million is laughable.
Criminals are not the smartest people but there is no point risking their lives breaking into houses for chump change.
If they broke into a house and start beating the guy up there was something personal going on. Did he not pay for his drugs? Did he rip them off? Didn’t pay for a gambling debt?
The two men could have shot and killed him as soon as they got in the house. If someone was there to kill him, he would have been dead as soon as the door opened.
You are not that naïve to believe they wanted his children’s milk money. Instead of complying the guy decides to fight with two men with guns.
The police will be looking for the same thing the robbers were looking for.
If the intruders were pistol whipping the guy his wife could have easily shot them with a pistol. She only shot one intruder she could have done that wit a pistol.
You are trying to make this incident the reason for everyone needing an AR-15.
That was another one of the incidents you posted where the idiot with the AR-15 was firing bullets through the wall.
The ruling that the bill of rights are not rights at all just restriction on the government. The person is not real it is his shadow that is real.
What you fail to understand is the government grants those rights and can take them away.
A felon or someone with mental problems has his right to keep and bear arms taken away.
What the government the government can take away.
There is no such word as inalienable in the Declaration of Independence the word is unalienable.
The question is often asked, "Is the word in the Declaration of Independence unalienable or is it inalienable?"
The final version of the Declaration uses the word "unalienable." Some earlier drafts used the word "inalienable," which is the term our modern dictionaries prefer. The two words mean precisely the same thing.
According to The American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Style from Houghton Mifflin Company:
The unalienable rights that are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence could just as well have been inalienable, which means the same thing. Inalienable or unalienable refers to that which cannot be given away or taken away.
Here is a listing of known versions of the Declaration, showing which word is used:
The Declaration on parchment, now in the Department of State unalienable
The Declaration as written out in the corrected Journal unalienable
The Declaration as printed by Dunlap under the order of Congress unalienable
The draft of the Declaration in the handwriting of Jefferson now in The American Philosophical Society, in Philadelphia inalienable
The Declaration in the handwriting of Jefferson now in the New York Public Library inalienable
The draft of the Declaration in the handwriting of Jefferson now in the Massachusetts Historical Society, in Boston inalienable
The copy in the handwriting of John Adams of the "Rough draught" of the Declaration, now at the Massachusetts Historical Society. unalienable
A contract is a contract plain and simple and the Bill of Rights is a contract with the American people.
There is no right to privacy if the census can ask such detailed questions but then all rights are limited.
The point was Trump resents the really big crowd at the World Series chanting “lock him up.”
You notice the emails were not found but that did not stop the Russians from trying.
In thirty minutes after Trump had authorized the search the Russian had broken into the DNC server.
The FBI discovered the Russians had broken into the DNC server and notified the DNC. The first time the FBI notified the DNC went to a low-level employee and the FBI had to follow up later.
That has everything to do with it. Romney does not pay the actual tax rate on the money he earns and then he tells lies about the people making less than he does.
In your gun nut fantasy world, everything is black and white.
It is the good guys and the bad guys but the real world is not that way.
I am sure you watched the shows where the good friends get into a fight over a child stealing a birthday present and that feud escalates and ends up with a couple of people being shot to death.
When you have somebody, who is disturbance in your place of business you have every right to ask them to leave.
A Bernie supporter killing two people does not even compare to that life long NRA member and champion of rightwing politics Timothy McVeigh killing 184 innocent people including kids in a day care center.
Ninety three percent of people are tired of their children developing post traumatic stress disorder just from going to school and being under constant threat of a gun nut with an assault weapon is going to kill them.
That part of the Declaration of Independence is the justification from breaking away from England not from destroying what the founding fathers built.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The country will not be turned over to a small group of the radical right the majority will decide on any changes to the government like eliminating the second amendment.
Take the bible for instance it is written down so everyone should know its intent in theory but in practice each church thinks they know the bible’s intent and each church fractures and the people who believe they know the bible’s intent form a new church based on their interpretation of bible.
The Christian faith has fractured like a dropped mirror.
Government would be the same except the supreme court is set up as the arbitrator to determine the intent. The federalist papers and anti-federalist papers are not binding documents they are just the opinions of a few of the founding fathers and nothing more.
All these rightwing organization from the Neo-Nazis to the KKK have managed to go from fringe nut cases to mainstreaming their philosophy on Fox News.
If the constitution makes one thing clear, it we the people who will decide what rights we have.
Trump lost the election and only an antiquated system put in place to apse slave holders let him steal the election.
The system is fully designed suppress voter turnout and make votes worthless.
The principal the country was built was one man one vote and that is being violated.
Only one office in the land is not decided by majority vote. Then people wonder why voter turnout is so low. If your vote isn’t going to count why bother?
Your definition of assault weapons is something made up on the fly the real definition is set out in the 1994 assault weapon ban.
Gun manufacturers and experts in that field were involved in making the 1994 assault weapon ban.
It is easy to ignore the supreme court decision but it makes the law of the land. Some laws are passed by the legislature others are mandated by court decision.
I have been threatened several times with a gun when I was a child.
If a gun nut has a gun, he is going to threaten people or far worse.
Those are not projections those were actual incidents, gun nuts shooting people during road rage incidents has become so common in California they should declare it a sport.
I watch at least an hour of news stories each day in addition to what I read.
When I find a story on the computer that has good information, I log it as a favorite and refer back to it but on television I can record the show and keep for a few days but I can’t always give you a search parameter that will locate.
The other FBI study shows the problem to be far worse. The FBI was being used to help schools pick out the rightwing gun nut types before they massacred the children.
In the definition of a mass shooting as being a shooting where four or more people are wounded or killed where do you see it restricted to a public place?
We are only worried about the shooting not the backdrop.
So, you believe if a mass shooting takes place in someone back yard it is not a mass shooting but if it takes place in the alley it is a mass shooting?
Even your definition said “especially” when a human being kills another. What do you think they meant by the word “especially?” Suicide may be a subset of murders but murder is the act of killing a human being and if you kill yourself you have killed a human being.
I posted several of the stories along with the article listing 30 incidents by now no doubt another 20 have occurred. Where ever guns go deaths are sure to follow.
It is extremely easy to find the top ten mass murders. Simply search for “top ten mass murders.“ The problem is that it calls up the top 18 or top 22 but you can just take the top ten off of the list.
I have posted many sources but the best I can do with a book is list the title of the book.
Rifles are not the problem, assault weapons are the problem. Assault weapons killed 59 in the Las Vegas massacre, assault weapons killed 50 in the pulse night club massacre, 24 killed with an assault weapon in the El Paso massacre this year, 9 people killed by an assault weapon the next day’s Dayton massacre, 26 killed by an assault weapon in Southerland Springs, Texas in the massacre at the First Baptist Church. That list goes on forever, you get the idea.
Tools are designed by people for a purpose and the reason assault weapons were designed was to massacre as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. I have never heard of a massacre where 59 people were killed with a hammer. But with assault weapons the massacres keep happening.
The FBI studied mass murders that occurred in schools.
One study is: A study of active shooter incidents in the United States where mass casualties occurred.”
I think the study that looks at 160 massacres lists all the massacres but the study of 41 massacres only concerns schools.
We have a right to happiness but what makes a mass murderer happy is murdering people but his right has been restricted by law.
Just as free speech is limited, you can say Trump’s wife is a whore only if you can prove it.
Your second amendment right has been limited.
You can’t call your local school and tell them there is a bomb there. If you do you will go to jail. All rights have limits for good reason.
There is no such thing as a statistic that has a range of 500% the best it can claim is guestimate.
A study would come with a reliable number with a possible error margin a few percentage points, not a 500% margin of error.
There are always reasons people do things.
If the men had wanted to rob them, they could have waited until they were gone. The intruders had targeted that guy for a reason.
If they had intended to kill them, the woman would have never made it to get the AR-15. Maybe it was the AR-15 they came after. To believe the intruders picked that house at random and just wanted to beat someone up is naive.
If you post a link, I always take time to look at it. That is alright as you get older you tend to think you did things that you didn’t.
Quote:You tend to see a fantasy world that you imagine,
That would be you who lives in a fantasy world. You seem to think gun owners are running around slaughtering people at will. The way you talk, you would think the murders per year was over 200,000 and we live in the most violent country in the world. In reality, the majority of murders take place in the big cities and not the burbs and not in the rural cities.
Quote:I have dealt with criminals long enough to know that they do things for a reason.
You were a building inspector, don't make yourself out to be something your not. Your version of a criminal is someone putting a deck on their house without a permit. Or someone put an advertisement on the side of a building and you wrote them a ticket... you were not a cop and you did not arrest people, you had ZERO Law enforcement powers. Metermaids had more power then you did, they had a badge, not a laminated card.
Quote:By the time the police showed up the intruders were no longer beating her husband, one had fled and one was dead. That type of crime occurs between players.
They were no longer beating the husband because the wife shot one of them and they took off. Had she not had the gun and shot at them, the police would have had a much different crime scene. Sorry, the facts are not in your favor.
Quote:Most people would try to take control of the situation first after all she had the drop on them. If they refused to leave or raised their gun, she could have put 30 bullets in them in a matter of seconds.
Most people? She did exactly what she should have done. They had already shot at her once, why give them a chance to do it again. Thank you for proving you didn't read the whole story, or you would have seen that they shot at her first, she got the gun and shot back and hit one of them. She had no need to fire thirty rounds, that would only increase the chance of hitting one of her family members.
Quote:Who keeps money at their house these days? Wait I know, drug dealers and criminals. Some businesses no longer accept cash. Why do drug dealers keep large sums of cash at home? Because if they bank it the cops will know they are dealing.
You have a very limited view of what happens in our modern economy. Some business's no longer taking cash doesn't mean every business, the majority of business's still take cash.
The cops don't know anything about people's bank usage, you are confusing the IRS, FBI or Secret Service with the local police. Federal crime vs a local crime, the only way the local police catch a drug dealer is in in the act.
Quote:I read the links and none of them answer the question as to why the intruders picked that house out of thousands?
You can bet if it was what you think it was, there would be a mention from the police investigation... there has been none, the people are innocent of any crimes and you should stop trying to make them into crooks just because they had to defend themselves.
Quote:WV is a gun nut state and there are far more gun nuts here than in the rest of the country.
I'll once again ask for some proof of this claim. I happen to know a lot of gun owners and none of them live in WV. I take that back, my ex-brother in law lives there and he's a federal agent, so he has guns.
Quote:One gun nut was shooting his gun at 1:30 am the other night. My wife was up at 4 AM and another gun nut was firing his gun on my property. I have three acres with many deer on it. It is deer season and no doubt he was spot lighting deer.
Is it still deer season? Even if it is, isn't it trespassing to hunt on your land without permission? I highly doubt you'd give someone permission to have a gun on your property. You should have called the police.
Quote:Instead looking it as it is, the people do have rights, you prefer to think of rights as only a se of restriction on the government. The founding fathers intended to grant rights not restrictions
No one granted our rights, we already had them. The only reason they were written down was so that the govt knew what they couldn't do. Hence people have Rights, govt has restrictions. Our Rights are inalienable/unalienable, both were used when drafting the DoI, and the words mean the same exact thing, so no one can take those from us. We can change the Constitution, but with what it takes to change it, it won't be happening anytime soon. 2/3 of both house's of Congress and 3/4 of the states. I suppose the anti-gun left could try for a Constitutional Convention, but they don't have the majority in enough states for that either. The FF made it difficult to change the Constitution for a reason, they didn't want mob rule to dictate the way things work.
Quote:The founding Fathers knew one thing for certain you can’t play a game without rules and you can’t have a government without laws. That is why the founding fathers set up legislative branch to make laws.
Those laws have to be balanced against the Constitution, that is what limits them in what they can and can't do. There is also the executive branch which can veto those laws, and the Judaical Branch which makes sure those laws fit into the Constitution and don't overstep the restrictions that were placed on the govt. For instance, VA will pass their anti-gun laws, and the SC will slap them down for violating the people's rights as spelled out in the 2nd Amendment. That might allow some portion of the laws to remain, like magazine sizes, but they will surely slap down the rest of them, gun confiscation illegal according to the Constitution. That's why the full auto civilian guns are still available, the govt knew it would be illegal to take them.
Quote:The census mandates the answers to all kinds of personal questions there can be no right to privacy.
If there is no right to privacy, then how can abortion be Constitutional? You claimed abortion was legal because of a right to privacy, now you claim there is no such thing. You are so inconsistent with your claims.
Quote:That wasn’t the only event Trump was booed at. He was booed at a sporting event in New York that week also. You can bet Trump absolutely hated it, he cannot take criticism of any type
Haha, you said NY, another liberal bastion of tolerance. If this was to really mean something, it would have to be in a state or city that actually voted for him, getting that treatment from a place that didn't vote for you is no surprise. The left are especially hateful and unhappy people, this shouldn't surprise you.
Quote:The popular vote reflects the will of the people, the electoral college the compromise with slave owners.
You have no care for the will of the people unless they agree with you. At one point majority opinion was against gay marriage, did that make the will of the people correct? You also continue to fail to understand that the EC had nothing to do with the slave owners and the 3/5 compromise. If you think it favored the slave owners, then you don't understand it at all.
Quote:The problem with electoral colleges was that slaves did not count. This meant the southern states would not be fully represented. A compromise was reached where each slave would be counted as ½ a person for the purpose of electoral college giving the southern states more electoral votes. Today its only purpose is to scam the American people.
You have this so twisted and wrong it isn't even funny. You don't even have the percentages correct, it was 3/5, not 1/2. The slave states wanted the slaves to count as full people, the north said 3/5. This weakened the power of the southern states because the north didn't want to count slaves at all, they couldn't vote and were not free. They would have been forced to vote the way the slave master wanted them to and we couldn't have that happen.
Also there was no mention of slaves in the EC, the "count" you are thinking about had to do with representation in the House which is based on population. The EC grants 1 vote per state for each Representative they have plus each Senator, which every state has 2 Senators. This is why WY has 3 EC votes, one for their single Rep in the House and 1 for each Senator.
Quote:Trump absolutely hates free speech and you tell it by what he does on twitter.
Do you really follow Trump on Twitter or are you only talking about what you hear in the news? I doubt you have a twitter account, you can't even figure out how to post a link or a quote on this site.
What exactly does he do on twitter that shows he hates the 1st Amendment and free speech?
Quote:He would eliminate the second amendment if he could.
What makes you say that? I've heard no such claims in the media. I think you are confusing all of the DNC candidates with Trump, they would take the 2nd Amendment away, they have all pretty much said so.
Quote:Both civil and criminal courts are government courts and some judges do both types of cases.
That has zero to do with what we were talking about. In civil cases, it's people going after people, in criminal cases it's the govt going after people. 2 separate things with 2 separate powers. So in your example of Trump suing people for saying things he doesn't like, that won't send them to jail, it will only cost them money.
Quote:Yes, I understand but you don’t.
No I don't think you do, this reply proves that.
Quote:Romney is paid on commission just as most sales man are but while they pay taxes on their income Romney pays only on the investment rate.
He was not paid on commission, that is not how it works in those type of companies. I work for a startup company in the enterprise server technology field, and I work in an industry that wouldn't exist without companies like Bain Capital or Vulcan Ventures or the hundreds of other capital investment firms. They invest in companies like the one I work for, I know exactly how these guys make their money, and it isn't a "sales" position. If my company doesn't make money, they don't make money, if they don't invest in us, we have to find one that will or we fold. This is why I laugh when people say capitalism is dead, I wouldn't have a job if it was.
Quote:Romney invest nothing his clients invest their money Romney’s salary is based on what his clients’ investment returns. Romney risks nothing.
Bain Capital wasn't that type of investment company, they didn't do things on the stock market, they did things with companies that were either in trouble or were a start-up. They took their own money and maybe they had other investors and used that as capital to invest in different companies to either buy them and improve them, or buy them and then sell them off.
Quote:Romney risks nothing.
Wrong again, read above to see how it works.
Quote:That 47% is absolute and complete lie.
It's the complete truth.
Quote:They are talking about the children who have no income and the seniors drawing social security that they already paid tax on that money.
No, they were talking about the 47% of people who file federal tax returns. How can they be talking about children, when children can't vote.
Quote:This how you lie with figures. Figures don’t lie but liars do figure. I have worked 50 years and almost all of them were under $50,000 and I paid income tax even when I made less than $6,000 and most years, I wrote a big check in addition to what was taken out of my check. This is a lie the rich have told so many times the gullible believe it. How many times did you make below $50,000 and not pay an income tax?
That is 50k by todays' standards, not 50k by 1980 standards. Don't play games with the figures they were talking about in 2012. Most of your reference is to the 80's and 90's which does not apply to tax rates and incomes in the 2000's.
The tax records don't lie. People who are married with kids and make less than 50k a year get more back in federal taxes than they pay in pay-role taxes. If you get more back then you pay in... you don't pay federal taxes. I know a lot of people who were paying for big cost vacations each year because of their tax return check, the EIC then was about 1,500 per kid. There was no EIC when you had kids, as far as I know, that happened in the mid 90's when Clinton and Congress did that major tax code change.
Quote:How many times did you make below $50,000 and not pay an income tax?
Every time, because of the EIC, Earned Income Credit, which was over $1,000 per child. I had 2 kids and one of them was deaf which doubled his EIC credit. When my ex-wife and I made under 50k, we got several, multi-thousand dollar tax return checks from the federal govt. It wasn't until we started making over the EIC limit that I stopped getting tax returns and started owing money. Each year was different some years I would get a return of maybe $100 and some years I would owe that much. Now a couple of those years were my ex-wife's fault, instead of claiming zero, she would claim exempt... we owned a couple of grand those years, it was ugly. For those who don't make a lot of money, the EIC makes a big difference, it also keeps them from actually paying federal taxes, they get all their payroll taxes back plus more they didn't pay in.
It is the same claim that the manufacturer, Colt, makes for that assault weapon.
I think you are confusing rate of fire, with actual bullets fired. The AR-15 fires at the rate of 900 rounds per minute. It may only fire 30 rounds at that speed before the clip has to be changed but it still fires at a 900 round a minute rate.
If you have a car that will run 200 mph it won’t run 200 mph for a thousand miles because you will have to stop for fuel but that doesn’t mean it won’t run 200 mph. That is what makes the AR-15 the go to weapon for mass murder.
The fact that different parts of America were under control of different countries is reflected in the laws that were handed down from their original parent countries.
All that is necessary is that you look at a copy of the original Declaration of Independence not a modified copy where the wording was changed. My point stands even by your own argument the term in the Declaration of Independence was unalienable.
You are the one claiming your rights came from some type of supernatural superhero and therefore the government can’t ever take away whatever you imagine them to be. My position remains the same the governments grants the rights and can take them away according to the constitution.
All rights have limits, none are absolute.
There will always be conflicts where one man’s freedom harms someone else’s.
There have been several recent court cases where the mentally ill and the criminals have tried to claim their gun rights have been infringed. They will eventually win or the second amendment will have to be changed.
The government in the ends has to be arbiter when the rights of one individual violate the rights of others as was the case when the Thompson submachine guns made the streets of America unsafe. If the government cannot set limits on rights how come you can’t go to the corner gun store and buy a full-automatic assault weapon? Sure, looks like a limit to me.
If America is overrun by a foreign country you will have no rights and if you speak up you will be killed. The primary purpose of government is defense of the homeland if that fails everything goes with it.
As always you wanted to start plucking the figures out of the gun death statistics to hide the actual deaths caused by guns.
When you site the murder of people murdered with guns you want to leave out 40% of the deaths.
That is a fact there are thousands of gun nuts who have their on line communities, trying to figure out the best way to kill the most people.
A few thousand can do a tremendous amount of damage.
I think if you put most gun owners in a situation that really angered them, they would reach for their gun. I have seen gun owner grab their guns for even for minor annoyances.
That is exactly what the supreme ruled when it said: “you are not entitled to any weapon whatsoever for any purpose whatsoever. That is extremely clear.
If the government wants to arrest you, do you think your gun will stop them? All these anti-government radicals armed to teeth fall. The government will always have more guns and more people.
Rights are not supernatural they don’t materialize out of thin air. They need to be in writing to carry the force of law. I get it, like your superhero, they always were and always will be, the end all argument.
Now you want to reverse course and say the bill rights is where our rights came from, they were not inalienable.
Assault weapons are responsible for close to 60 deaths at one time and 500 wounded no other weapon comes close to that.
That is the definition simply four or more killed or wounded. The mass shooting in New Orleans over the weekend showed one of the victims half way in the street and half way over the curb. Should he be counted or not? I think the measurement would give you about 5/8 of that victim in a public place. A mass shooting is a crime in itself. So, if it is a crime, we can’t count it, that is absurd.
The statistic given for mass murder count all shooting where four or more were shot or wounded.
Free speech applied to written speech from the very beginning of the country. Whether it is published in the paper or the internet it is the same. Whether it is sent through the mail or sent electronically the speech is the same.
It is just the type of cases that are bought into court. In Criminal court the penalty can be a fine or jail time, or both. In civil court the damages are assessed to defendant but they are both government courts in the same court house.
The reality is that there is a limit on the second amendment.
Can you imagine what America would be like if the streets were full of full-automatic assault weapons and Thomson submachine guns?
We would have roving gangs armed to teething taking over the inner cities. Bank robberies would triple. There would be no safe places in America. But gun manufactures would no longer be going bankrupt.
You would like to live during the revolutionary war period when you could have a state-of-the-art weapon.
The Belton flintlock was a repeating flintlock design using superposed loads, conceived by Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, resident Joseph Belton some time prior to 1777. The musket design was offered by Belton to the newly formed Continental Congress in 1777. Belton wrote that the musket could fire eight rounds with one loading,[1] and that he could support his claims "by experimental proof."[2] Belton failed to sell the musket to Congress, and later was unable to sell the design to the British Army a year after the American Revolution.[1] There are no records that indicate that the gun was ever supplied, and it is uncertain if or how exactly the Belton improvement operated.[2]
The only problem I have is with assault weapons. The gun nuts can shoot each other and their families but the mass shootings need to stop.
When ever a bill is written experts are called and those experts came up with the definition.
The only reason the parents of the Sandy Hook parents might lose is the liability exception that the gun manufacturers bought with their blood money.
The fact is it can be both a bank robbery and a mass shooting.
You believe that you can modify a regular 22 rifle into full-automatic.
The poll said that 70% of the American people believed Trump has done something wrong. They did not all believe he should be impeached but they believe he has done something wrong. Mine was a poll of all voters while your poll is of independent voters. When all voters are polled a majority support impeachment.
At least one elected Republican is already supporting impeachment and more will follow. Trump runs the Republican party like a godfather and politically assonates anyone who does not support. Trump’s impeachment will be bipartisan also.
Don’t you find it funny that there was no such thing as a left-wing media until was a right-wing media?
The elimination of the Fairness Doctrine by Reagan launched the right-wing press.
Media was required to give equal time to both sides of a political issue. Even an ordinary man could demand time on television to rebut an editorial argument from the television station.
The extreme right wing did not want equal time they wanted all of the time to erase any other opinion.
This was when Fox News was founded by long-time political operatives.
If you have a middle of the road media and you create an extreme right-wing media, what happens? The positions are relative, now middle of the road is to the left of the extreme right.
The middle didn’t change only the media manned by far-right extremist created that illusion.
Since most of the guns purchased are private sales Obama figure was low.
I have an uncle that sells more guns then most gun stores. There is utterly no way to know for sure the number of private sales.
You should have been disappointed when the first Republican came out to back Trump’s impeachment. When the thumb comes out that is holding the dike back there will be a flood.
Do you know why Trump was able to send troops in to kill the leader of ISIS? The Kurds had a spy in the ISIS leader compound without that spy and the Kurds that would have never happened. The Kurds made that hit possible and their reward is that Trump is going to have the Kurds listed as a terrorist organization so the Russian have a license to slaughter them. The Russian have now taken control of our military bases in northern Syria.
The troops never left Iraq we have continued to have troops in that country. Russia has now taken complete control of that area of Syria and there is no free press in Russia. The only thing come out of there will be propaganda films much like Fox News.
Fox News and the right-wing news media treat the public like they are extremely gullible unfortunately they are right in about 50% of the cases.
Tucker Carlson has publicly come out on the side of Russia invading the Ukraine.
Travon was staying with his uncle and had been there a week.
On the day he was fatally shot, he and his father were visiting his father's fiancée and her son at her town home in Sanford, Florida. She lived in The Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community Martin had visited several times before.[9][10][11]
According to his autopsy, Martin was 5 feet 11 inches (1.80 m) tall and weighed 158 pounds (72 kg) at the time of his death.[12]
Had Martin’s family had the money to get a good lawyer and sue for wrongful death they would have won because the police department had told Zimmerman not to follow Martin.
The incident was reviewed by the Department of Justice for potential civil rights violations, but no additional charges were filed, citing insufficient evidence.
The police instructed him not to follow Martin and that is exactly what he didn’t do.
You found the link and you know that number is correct.
Six gun manufacturers have already went bankrupt and more will follow.
Hunting was responsible for a lot of gun sales at one time but the younger generations no longer get as much joy out of killing animals.
Anybody being followed at night is being threatened.
Why would anyone be following you that wasn’t up to no good?
They teach you to be aware of your surroundings and that would especially include anyone following you.
Being followed on a dark night by criminal would have anyone’s adrenaline pumping. Why do you think the police department told Zimmerman not to follow Martin? The police department knew what would happen to that wife beater. Following someone is provoking them.
You don’t expect anyone to believe that. It was the front of Zimmerman’s face that was messed up that means Zimmerman was face down with Martin on top of him.
If your head is being banged onto the concrete you are not going to be able to reach for a gun and shoot backwards. This story is from a known criminal that beat his wife and disobeyed the police order.
Travon Martin and his father were visiting his father’s fiancée.
It makes no difference whether it was a relative or a future relative.
Not a girlfriend, his father’s fiancée.
It was not who Trayvon was staying with it was Zimmerman not following the police’s orders that caused the problem.
Trayvon may have been visiting his dad’ fiancée but he was living there unless he was dead at the time. He was living and he was there.
It really doesn’t make any difference if he was visiting Tiny Tim, he should not have been killed by a criminal gun nut who refused to follow the police orders.
The stand your ground law has absolutely nothing to do with protecting anyone it just makes it legal for criminals like Zimmerman to kill children.
How do you expect to get stats when stand your laws made murdering children legal? If it is not a crime to murder someone there are no stats for something that is not a crime.
I never said they would both be as fast off the line or have the same top sped.
I said they would both be Mustangs even though there were difference. It is not a requirement that both cars have the same top speed to be a Mustang just as all assault weapons don’t have to fire the same number of rounds per minute to be an assault weapon.
Everybody constructs their own reality by picking and choosing what pieces of reality they will accept.
The welder died at 36 after using too much drugs and alcohol. His wife continued to work for the city until she retired. The drug king pin was arrested and sent to prison. The welder gave the king pin a ride to a white-collar prison with a gun in his pocket. I would have had no way of knowing that they could be converted let alone how to convert a semi-automatic assault weapon to full-automatic otherwise. I did not run with a gun nut crowd.
The reason the statement “shall not be infringed” is pretty much ignored is that it is actually extraneous it does not change the statement “a right to keep and bear arms.”
The founding fathers reduced those unalienable rights to writing it is called the Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Rights speaks for itself you don’t get to make a right out of anything you can imagine.
Unfortunately, in any society there has to be a limit on freedoms.
Your dream would be one where there was no limit on rights at all.
You could drive down any residential street at 150 mph. Children playing in the streets would not be a problem.
You could rape and molest children. Gun down anyone you wanted to. Each law limits someone’s freedom. When you take the guys freedom to drive a 150 mph down residential streets you manage to save several lives. Society will always have to balance the freedom of one against the rights of others.
In the North Hollywood shootout, they had several assault weapons that were converted to full automatics so it is not difficult to change those three small parts or they would have been lucky to have one converted assault weapon. North Hollywood was one of the most famous mass shooting in history.
It has to be a mass shooting when three people are wounded and one killed.
The one punch confrontation was over but gun nut goes back to his car and gets his gun out of the glove box and then walks back ninety steps to get close enough to start shooting. His dad was a gun instructor for the NRA and taught him he can kill four people for being hit in the face. The trouble was his aim was off and he only killed one. This is not a stand your ground law incident, he walked away and then decided to come back for revenge and they could not pay enough.
This is not a stand your ground law incident, he walked away and then decided to come back for revenge and they could not pay enough.
Books are where you actually find information on the internet you get at best a few paragraphs. I don’t do links but I list sources.
They just failed to renew the assault weapon ban but after almost to decades of constant massacres there is far more support for an assault weapon than was ever imagined in 1994.
It has nothing to do with protecting themselves.
If you gave each of those students, guns to carry there would be at least 200 dead.
They would shoot each other at drunken parties and fist fights. A good example happened in a Florida mass shooting today. Two innocent bystanders were killed by the police. If that is the result with well trained professionals what would happen with the untrained gun nuts.
Texas is not a gun free zone but one of the top ten massacres in American history and not even one gun nut pulled their gun. So much for that worthless theory. There is your gun nut fantasy and there is reality.
There have already been 30 “gun accidents” in a very short period and not near that many massacres in that time period.
Your source lack vital details. If the shooter only shot three people it would have happened extremely quickly. What would have taken time was the heroes to run to their cars get their guns and return. Was shooter out of ammunition? Had his gun jammed? Did they decide to execute him?
The Police captain refused to call the two shooters heroes and has not determined whether they will be charged with crimes.
Most mass murderers will save the last bullet for themselves.
That is the statistic the police use when responding to a massacre from past experience they know it will be over in two minutes.
I don’t think you have any understanding of the word “projecting” means.
In fact, most assault weapons don’t have selective fire switches they are all assault weapons.
Massacres are a subset of mass shootings. Not all mass shootings are massacres but all massacres are mass shootings.
The assault weapons are specifically designed to have those three parts installed in them.
Machine work is necessary to make a lot of modifications to cars. I have built race cars from the ground up a lot of the specialty parts were made.
Machining is common in all sorts of modifications it is not that big a problem.
They are also trying to outlaw high capacity magazines. The problem with that is some people claim to change magazines in just a few seconds. I think the magazines should be limited to one round. That would give them two one in the chamber and one in the magazine.
The base AR-15 platform is designed to fire at a 900 round per minute rate.
We already know that the Pulse Night Club mass murderer was recorded firing at a 130 round per minute rate.
With practice that rate would be much higher. This gives no chance to people in a night club or class room.
“A machine gun, of course, ought never be in the hands of any private individual, said Attorney General Homer Cummings at a House Hearing.
There is not the slightest excuse for it, not the least in the world, and we must if we are going to be successful in this effort to suppress crime in America, take these machine guns out of the hands of the criminal class.
1934 gun debate.
This is just a case of history repeating itself.
Assault weapons do not need to have a selective fire switch to be assault weapons. Semi-automatic assault weapons have the same potential.
When You have one student shooting another student because he made a pass at his girlfriend, they use a pistol. But when you have a school shooter intent on a massacre, they almost always use assault weapons because assault weapons are made for massacres. You are confusing school shootings with school massacres.
