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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2019 08:53 pm
When will the rabid right turn on Trump? It looks like some of the far right is beginning to turn on Trump. Now Ann Coulter, who is known for her rabid right views, is calling for Trump to be charged for employing undocumented migrant workers. Trump businesses are full of undocumented aliens and it is a crime to hire undocumented aliens. Other businesses have been raided but none of Trump’s businesses have been raided. ICE should raid Trump businesses. Ann Coulter wrote the book “In Trump We Trust” but it seems now even she does not trust that low life.

Even Fox news is beginning to take Trump to task. One commentator pointed out that the Trump tariff was noting but a tax. It will cost every American family $1,000 according to experts. Trump is now beginning to whine about Fox News. Once the head political operative was removed for molesting women and Red Murdock sons taking over things are beginning to change.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 08:37 pm
After eight years of growth during Obama’s term Trump has officially run the manufacturing sector into a recession with his trade wars and economic policies. When Trump was born in 1946 more than a third of Americans worked in manufacturing now a record low of 8.5% of Americans work in manufacturing even after Trump tax cut that should have acted like gasoline on a fire but instead manufacturing went into a recession. Watching a conman work his magic on the ignorant is always amazing the conman can tell the most outrageous lies and the victims will believe them. The very people that voted for Trump are the ones that will lose. Local coal minors have been blocking coal trains because the coal company was closing and cheating the minors out of their wages. Coal companies in WV bankrupt on their bills, taxes, and worker’s compensation and go out of business one day only to open under a new name the next day. Trump is destroying the manufacturing sector one job at time. America will end up just like Trump’s casinos and airline, bankrupt.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2019 08:52 pm
Trump administration officials threatened to fire NOAA, (the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) officials if they would not back up Trump’s lies. Trump claimed that the last weeks hurricane was headed for Alabama even though everybody knew it was going up the east coast. If Trump lies everybody in government is suppose to back him up no matter how outrageous Trump’s lies are. Trump has now told over 12,000 verified lies and his supporters see nothing wrong with that.

Now Trump says he will release financial information to prove his businesses are not going bankrupt again. Trump has already bankrupted eight of his businesses and there will be a string of bankruptcies coming soon but Trump has a solution have US officials stay at his golf courses anytime they have business within hundreds of miles of his resorts. How can you tell Trump is lying? If his mouth is moving he is lying or if he is releasing financial documents. Trump once sued a book’s author that stated Trump’s net worth was a tiny fraction of what Trump claimed. On the stand Trump claimed that his property was worth what ever he claimed it was not the actual appraised price. So much for Trump’s suit.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 10 Sep, 2019 08:52 pm
Trump voters and mass murderer’s mind set may have a lot in common than many think. Mass murderers want to destroy people but Trump voters wanted Trump to destroy the country. They wanted to tear the country down. The profile of many voters who voted for Trump was a dissatisfied young-men. This is the first generation who can expect to do worse than their parents. The Millennials entered the labor market during the great recession and ended up living in their parent’s basement or working menial jobs. These would normally be wealth building years when they would buy homes. Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 70% of the suicides in United States in 2014. “Of the 33,091 Americans who died of opioid overdoses 27,056 were non-Hispanic whites.” “In the 90s the risk of, the risk that a non-college educated white person would die in his early 50s was 30% lower than for a comparable black person.” By 2015, the non-college educated white person’s risk was 30% higher than for a comparable black person.”

*from: Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 11 Sep, 2019 08:36 pm
We had a mass stabbing today where five people were stabbed. It was a work place stabbing where an employee had been sent home for a confrontation with another employee. Nobody was killed the employee lacked a key element of a mass murder, a weapon of war. Had he had an assault weapon it is likely at least 10 people would have been killed and three times that would have been wounded.

The first mass murderer that used a weapon of war took place in Pennsylvania in 1982. A prison guard killed 13, the three women he was living with and all five children that were living with him ranging in age from one to eleven, a neighbor, an ex-wife at another location and his 5-year-old son along with her mother and her nephew. Even the first time showed mass murderers everywhere that if you are serious about mass murder you really need an assault weapon to do it right.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2019 08:44 pm
What did mass murderers do before they could get their hands on weapons of war? The story of Andrew Kehoe may give us a hint. Kehoe was a farmer in near the city of Bath, Michigan in 1927. A new school house was built in the county that resulted in Kehoe’s property tax being raised $75. Unhappy Kehoe got himself elected to school board where he continued to complain about the property taxes and suggested ways to save money. He suggested that he could save them money by taking over the school maintenance. Kehoe used his time late at night to put more than a 1,000 pounds of dynamite and military-surplus Pyrotol under the school’s floorboards. Kehoe’s dynamite leveled half of the school killing 35vchildren and seven adults. Half of his dynamite did not go off. Kehoe first killed his wife and blew up his farm killing all the animals. While the school rescue was going on Kehoe drove up in his explosive laden truck and called the school superintendent to his truck and blew it up. All over $75.

We stopped this type of mass murder by taking the tool away (dynamite) the same way that weapons of war must be banned. What if an organization like the NRA had declared that everyone has a right to dynamite under the second amendment? Clamming that dynamite was covered under the right to bear arms.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 13 Sep, 2019 09:02 pm
At the democratic presidential debate, Beto O’Rourke declared war on weapons of war. O’Rourke has said he will remove the assault weapons from America’s streets, not just a ban on assault weapons but making them illegal. The gun nuts have already started threatening his life, this should keep the secret service busy for the next few months. The gun manufacturers like the opioid dealers have been keeping their heads down waiting on the next big mass murder. You no longer hear the NRA crowing that the second amendment is absolute with no limits. The tipping point has been reached and even gun owners no longer want to live in a country filled with gun nuts armed with weapons of war.

Beto related the story of a mother who stayed with her 15-year old daughter in EL Paso while she bled to death because so many people were injured, she died because it took an hour before help arrived. The ammunition used by the murderer was designed for military use.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2019 04:45 pm
@Zardoz,
This O'Rourke character was ranting about ordinary semi-auto guns. No assault rifles. No weapons of war.

He was just virtue signaling. The NRA will never allow him to violate our Constitution.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2019 04:46 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
weapons of war must be banned.

Weapons of war have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to have them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.

No legally-registered weapon of war has ever been used in a crime in the US.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2019 06:27 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
Also, in WWII 60 million people were killed but all we can hope to control is America. At one time you could go to local hardware store and buy dynamite. If you had a stump to remove you just put a few sticks under the stump and out it came. If you needed to get rid of your neighbor you just wire a few sticks to the ignition switch and the neighbor was gone. As a country we realized easy access to explosives was getting way too many people killed. Explosives were tightly controlled and lots of lives were saved. The same needs to be done to assault weapons.

Assault weapons have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to have them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.

No legally-registered assault weapon has ever been used in a crime.


Zardoz wrote:
The mass murders in America prove beyond a doubt that you don't need to aim

That is incorrect. Hitting the target requires aiming.


Zardoz wrote:
and besides assault weapons are not known for accuracy.

Assault weapons can be just as accurate as any other weapon.


Zardoz wrote:
You need to understand that when you can fire a thousand rounds, like Las Vegas, you can see where the bullets hit and direct fire as needed.

Only if you are using tracers.

And only if you are using full auto.


Zardoz wrote:
Aiming takes time and mass murderers don't have the luxury of time.

Aiming is still necessary in order to hit the target.


Zardoz wrote:
If the shooter in Dayton had took the time to aim, he would only have got off a few shots instead of 41.

He did take the time to aim.


Zardoz wrote:
Some hand holds are far superior to others.

Not really.


Zardoz wrote:
Weapons that kill people in mass are weapons of mass destruction and assault weapons kill people in masses.

The ability to kill millions of people with a single shot will get a weapon labeled as a weapon of mass destruction.

Assault weapons do not kill millions of people with a single shot.


Zardoz wrote:
pistol grips make assault weapons much more deadly.

No they don't.


Zardoz wrote:
Why don't the mass murderers use the tradition form of the same gun? Because pistol grips make the model more deadly.

That is incorrect. Pistol grips do not make a gun any deadlier.


Zardoz wrote:
Do you think laying on a floor bleeding out through baseball sized exit wounds is superior to dying after breathing gas?

The human race thinks it. That's why international law allows guns and bombs to be used in war, but forbids chemical weapons.

I personally have not given it much thought.


Zardoz wrote:
Anyone aiming a gun would obstruct their peripheral vision and would quickly be taken down by a crowd. The same can't be said for a gun held at waist height.

A gun held at waist height will not strike many targets. Very few people will be killed, if any at all.


Zardoz wrote:
If missiles don't have a payload of explosives why do they explode.

They don't explode. Someone ten feet away from where these missiles strike will be completely unharmed.


Zardoz wrote:
There is a picture of a tommy Hawk missile exploding over a target on Wikipedia article about that missile it would take a lot of explosives to do that.

We weren't talking about tomahawk missiles though. We were talking about the CIA's missiles for assassinating individuals with little collateral damage.


Zardoz wrote:
If there are no explosives explain the explosions.

There are no explosions.


Zardoz wrote:
We cannot do anything about what happens outside of America.

We can acknowledge the reality that massacres can easily be carried out without pistol grips.


Zardoz wrote:
All of your incidences you sighted took place outside of America.

That does not change the reality that massacres can easily be carried out without pistol grips.


Zardoz wrote:
We can't do anything about them, they are not a problem in America.

We can acknowledge the reality that massacres can easily be carried out without pistol grips.


Zardoz wrote:
There have been over 254 mass murders so far this year that is more than one a day and the mass murders where more than 10 are killed are done almost exclusively with assault weapons.

Assault weapons have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to have them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.

No legally-owned assault weapon has ever been used in a crime.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2019 08:40 pm
@oralloy,
The weapon used in El Paso was AK-47, a weapon of war, not a regular semi-automatic. It was imported from Romania because it is cheaper and sold by a local gun store. The emergency doctors in El Paso described the exit wounds as being the size of baseball, something they had only seen on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The NRA is a relatively tiny organization who only claims to have under 5 million members. That is only 1.5% of the population and no doubt the NRA is lying about even that. You may have a constitutional right to “bear arms” but not any arms. As long as you have an arm to bear your constitutional rights have been met in full.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2019 08:57 pm
@oralloy,
The AK-47 used in the EL Pao came from Romania and you can bet that type of weapon is used in wars over seas. Just because a few small pieces are different the basic design capability is there.

They are weapons of war and they inflict the exact same type of massive damage to their victims, just because you just have to pull the trigger more often does not change the facts. When you lay the guns down side by side the vast majority could not tell the difference without firing them.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2019 10:23 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The weapon used in El Paso was AK-47, a weapon of war, not a regular semi-automatic.

That is incorrect. It is a regular rifle, not in any way a weapon of war.


Zardoz wrote:
The emergency doctors in El Paso described the exit wounds as being the size of baseball, something they had only seen on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Such wounds are typical of long guns.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2019 10:24 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The AK-47 used in the EL Pao came from Romania and you can bet that type of weapon is used in wars over seas.

It isn't. The weapons that are used in wars are capable of full-auto or burst fire.


Zardoz wrote:
They are weapons of war

That is incorrect. They are just ordinary rifles.


Zardoz wrote:
and they inflict the exact same type of massive damage to their victims,

All high velocity rifles inflict that kind of damage.

Shotgun pellets cause a different sort of damage that is equally as devastating.


Zardoz wrote:
just because you just have to pull the trigger more often does not change the facts.

It changes the facts considerably. There is a massive difference between full-auto and not-full-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
When you lay the guns down side by side the vast majority could not tell the difference without firing them.

When they fire the full-auto version they will see that there is a considerable difference.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 15 Sep, 2019 09:48 pm
@oralloy,
Assault weapons are available at the corner gun store and on line. They are marketed as assault weapons and you can even order assault weapons from overseas as long as the are sold through a local gun store. Just because you have to pull the trigger more than once does not change the fact that they are assault weapons designed for one purpose to slaughter human beings.

There is a bill introduced into the Senate 1/09/19 that would make it a crime to knowingly import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or “possess” a semi-automatic automatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device (LCAFD)”

“The times they are a changing” The days of gun nuts slaughtering large number of people for fun and sport will not be as easy.
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Aiming takes time and assault weapons were designed to fire at 900 round a minute rate so you would never have to aim just look for the blood spatter on the walls.
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Not according to the manufacturers, why worry about accuracy when you can fire at a 900-round a minute rate?
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The shooter in Las Vegas did indeed have tracer rounds.
The Las Vegas mass murderer used bump stocks which served the same purpose as full automatics. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
An assault weapon held at waste level is just as effective because you can see where the rounds hit.
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The mass murderer in Dayton killed 9 people and shot 20 more in 30 seconds there is no possible way he took time to aim. Just locating one target in his gun sight would take several seconds. These mass murders are shooting at the broad side of barn when they shot into crowds.
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When you put a handle on a gun it makes it much easier to hold on to.
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Even a canister of gas is considered a weapon of mass destruction. They assault weapons don’t need to kill more than one person with a single shot because they can fire at 900 rounds per minute rate.
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If pistol grips didn’t make assault weapons more deadly mass murderers would buy the standard rifle form of assault weapons but mass murderers buy assault weapons with pistol grips. If you added up the people killed with assault weapons without pistol grips it would be a tiny fraction of those killed with assault weapons with pistol grips. Reality makes assault weapons with pistol grips many times more deadly.
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People in America are being killed by the thousands with assault weapons with pistol grips. You can’t fight actual facts.
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You can only be so dead neither way of dying is pleasant but having exit wounds blown in you the size of baseballs would be a terrible way to die. Be smothered with gas and unable to breath would also not be a good way to die.
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When you are looking through a gun sight you would be unaware of what is going on around you. On the other hand, an assault weapon held at waste height gives full peripheral vision allowing you to take down any threats. I guess that you would call 49 people a very few people.
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So, you are saying that a missile carries no pay load. The missiles that are used for our nuclear missiles have no pay load. It looks like they make one hell of an explosion to me.
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The CIA has killed a lot of people that they did not intend to kill.
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That would be like throwing a baseball two miles an expecting to hit someone.
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The facts show that pistol grips make mass murderer much more proficient.
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The fact is that it is possible that the earth will be hit by a meteor will hit the earth tomorrow and wipe out the population but it is not likely. A mass murderer could use a rifle form of the assault weapon but it is not happening.
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Assault weapons are available to every mass murderer in America at their local gun store. They are marketed and sold by gun manufacturers as assault weapons. They may not be full automatics but they are assault weapons.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 10:19 am
@Zardoz,
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Assault weapons are available at the corner gun store and on line.

Assault weapons/rifles are not sold in the US. Assault weapons/rifles have a selective fire option, semi-auto rifles do not have a select fire switch. There is only single shot or safe, no other options.

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They are marketed as assault weapons and you can even order assault weapons from overseas as long as the are sold through a local gun store.

They are not marketed as "assault rifles or weapons", that would be false advertising. Why do they have to be sold by a gun store? Background checks and FFL transfer laws. You can't buy a weapon online and have it sent to your house, all online orders have to take place through an authorized FFL retailer.

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Just because you have to pull the trigger more than once does not change the fact that they are assault weapons designed for one purpose to slaughter human beings.

You are wrong again. As noted above and in several places on this thread, an assault weapon/rifle has a selective fire switch that enables the gun to fire at either full auto or in 3 round burst mode. No civilian sport rifles are sold with this option.

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There is a bill introduced into the Senate 1/09/19 that would make it a crime to knowingly import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or “possess” a semi-automatic automatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device (LCAFD)”

Semi-automatic automatic assault weapon? Now they are just making things up so they can make them illegal. Stupid politicians who know nothing about guns.

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“The times they are a changing” The days of gun nuts slaughtering large number of people for fun and sport will not be as easy

No gun nuts have committed any such crimes. No NRA members have committed any mass shootings. The lies from the left need to stop.

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Aiming takes time and assault weapons were designed to fire at 900 round a minute rate so you would never have to aim just look for the blood spatter on the walls.

With every post on this subject, you continue to prove you know nothing about guns. No civilian owned smei-auto gun can fire that many rounds in a minute. You also fail to understand where and how the "900" figure works. If the guns work this well, why was the Las Vegas shooter only able to fire 1100 rounds in 10 minutes?

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The shooter in Las Vegas did indeed have tracer rounds.
The Las Vegas mass murderer used bump stocks which served the same purpose as full automatics.

No tracer rounds were used in the Las Vegas shooting, stop spreading lies about a tragic event. Bump stocks are now illegal.

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The mass murderer in Dayton killed 9 people and shot 20 more in 30 seconds there is no possible way he took time to aim.

When people are standing in groups, there is no real need to aim at a specific target, you just aim in the general area and pull the trigger like a mad man.

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Just locating one target in his gun sight would take several seconds. These mass murders are shooting at the broad side of barn when they shot into crowds.

You continue to prove you don't understand how guns work, so you use lies to push your propaganda.

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An assault weapon held at waste level is just as effective because you can see where the rounds hit.

That's not how it works, you need to stop watching so many movies, that stuff only works in the movies. Which is where you seem to get a majority of your info.

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When you put a handle on a gun it makes it much easier to hold on to.

It has nothing to do with easier to hold but does make it more comfortable to hold. The weapon doesn't have barely any recoil, so ease of use has nothing to do with it.

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People in America are being killed by the thousands with assault weapons with pistol grips. You can’t fight actual facts.

No they aren't. More people are killed by handguns per year than any other type of firearm. Look to Chicago for the facts on that one. More people are killed in Chicago per year than are killed with any type of assault type weapon. Stop the lies about semi-auto rifles.

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When you are looking through a gun sight you would be unaware of what is going on around you.

I can tell you've never shot one of these guns, keep saying stupid things.

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On the other hand, an assault weapon held at waste height gives full peripheral vision allowing you to take down any threats.

This sounds good in theory, but you won't hit anything if you can't aim. You might get lucky but you aren't doing massive amounts of damage. Hold an AR15 at waist level and try and pull that trigger and hit anything, you won't hit ****. Since they are semi-auto rifles, you only get a single shot for each trigger pull.

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I guess that you would call 49 people a very few people.

Are you trying to claim the Muslim shooter at Pulse night club was firing his gun from the hip? Do you have any proof to back up this claim? All indications say he was shooting just like the rest of the shooters, from his shoulder so he could aim.

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The facts show that pistol grips make mass murderer much more proficient.

What facts? Your made up facts? Was there a study done to back up your claims?

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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 04:20 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons are available at the corner gun store and on line.

That is incorrect. Assault weapons have been very tightly regulated for the past 85 years. And people are only allowed to have them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
Just because you have to pull the trigger more than once does not change the fact that they are assault weapons designed for one purpose to slaughter human beings.

That is incorrect. Semi-auto-only guns do not count as assault weapons.


Zardoz wrote:
There is a bill introduced into the Senate 1/09/19 that would make it a crime to knowingly import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or "possess" a semi-automatic automatic assault weapon (SAW) or large capacity ammunition feeding device (LCAFD)"

That bill is using a fraudulent definition. Semi-auto-only weapons are not assault weapons.


Zardoz wrote:
Aiming takes time and assault weapons were designed to fire at 900 round a minute rate so you would never have to aim just look for the blood spatter on the walls.

Actually you still have to aim even with an assault weapon.

Also, assault weapons have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to own them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
Not according to the manufacturers, why worry about accuracy when you can fire at a 900-round a minute rate?

Manufacturers of assault weapons do not claim that their guns are inaccurate. And in fact their guns are plenty accurate.


Zardoz wrote:
The shooter in Las Vegas did indeed have tracer rounds.

If so, he didn't use them. None of the videos show tracer rounds being fired.

Had he used them, it would have been immediately clear to the police where the gun was being fired from. The police probably would have confronted him much sooner.


Zardoz wrote:
The Las Vegas mass murderer used bump stocks which served the same purpose as full automatics.

Bump stocks are now illegal.


Zardoz wrote:
An assault weapon held at waste level is just as effective because you can see where the rounds hit.

Assault weapons have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to own them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.

No legally-registered assault weapon has ever been used in a crime in the US.


Zardoz wrote:
The mass murderer in Dayton killed 9 people and shot 20 more in 30 seconds there is no possible way he took time to aim.

He wouldn't have killed many people if he wasn't aiming his gun.


Zardoz wrote:
When you put a handle on a gun it makes it much easier to hold on to.

No it doesn't. You can hold on to a gun that doesn't have a pistol grip.


Zardoz wrote:
Even a canister of gas is considered a weapon of mass destruction.

Humanity has decided that chemical weapons are much more horrible than guns and bombs.


Zardoz wrote:
They assault weapons don’t need to kill more than one person with a single shot because they can fire at 900 rounds per minute rate.

Their inability to kill millions of people with a single shot means that they are not weapons of mass destruction.


Zardoz wrote:
If pistol grips didn’t make assault weapons more deadly mass murderers would buy the standard rifle form of assault weapons but mass murderers buy assault weapons with pistol grips. If you added up the people killed with assault weapons without pistol grips it would be a tiny fraction of those killed with assault weapons with pistol grips. Reality makes assault weapons with pistol grips many times more deadly.

No mass murderer has ever used an assault weapon of any sort in the US.

But if they had, the presence or absence of pistol grips would have made no difference at all.


Zardoz wrote:
People in America are being killed by the thousands with assault weapons with pistol grips.

That is incorrect. No legally-registered assault weapon has ever been used in a crime in the US.


Zardoz wrote:
You can’t fight actual facts.

The facts are that no legally-registered assault weapon has ever been used in a crime in the US.


Zardoz wrote:
When you are looking through a gun sight you would be unaware of what is going on around you. On the other hand, an assault weapon held at waste height gives full peripheral vision allowing you to take down any threats.

Assault weapons have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to own them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
I guess that you would call 49 people a very few people.

Those people were not killed with an assault weapon. And the person who killed them aimed his gun.


Zardoz wrote:
So, you are saying that a missile carries no pay load.

The payload is swords that stick out of the sides like a giant broadhead arrow.


Zardoz wrote:
The missiles that are used for our nuclear missiles have no pay load. It looks like they make one hell of an explosion to me.

The CIA does not use nuclear missiles to assassinate people.


Zardoz wrote:
That would be like throwing a baseball two miles an expecting to hit someone.

Our missiles have very precise guidance systems. In the 1991 gulf war they were dropping bombs down ventilation shafts.


Zardoz wrote:
The facts show that pistol grips make mass murderer much more proficient.

That is incorrect. There is noting to indicate that pistol grips make a gun more deadly.


Zardoz wrote:
The fact is that it is possible that the earth will be hit by a meteor will hit the earth tomorrow and wipe out the population but it is not likely. A mass murderer could use a rifle form of the assault weapon but it is not happening.

Mass murderers are not able to use assault weapons at all. Assault weapons have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to own them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons are available to every mass murderer in America at their local gun store.

That is incorrect. Assault weapons have been tightly regulated for the past 85 years, and people are only allowed to own them if they were manufactured and registered more than 33 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
They are marketed and sold by gun manufacturers as assault weapons. They may not be full automatics but they are assault weapons.

That is incorrect. Assault weapons have either full-auto or burst-fire capability.

No semi-auto-only weapon counts as an assault weapon.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 08:25 pm
@oralloy,
An AK-47 is in no way shape or form a regular rifle. It was designed to slaughter large numbers of human beings rapidly. The ak-47 is Soviet style assault weapon
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According to emergency doctors those type exit wounds are found only on battlefields. They are the experts. How many gunshot wounds have you treated?
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 08:48 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
An AK-47 is in no way shape or form a regular rifle.

That is incorrect. The semi-auto-only version is just an ordinary rifle.


Zardoz wrote:
It was designed to slaughter large numbers of human beings rapidly.

The semi-auto-only version wasn't.


Zardoz wrote:
The ak-47 is Soviet style assault weapon

That is incorrect. Semi-auto-only guns are not assault weapons.


Zardoz wrote:
According to emergency doctors those type exit wounds are found only on battlefields. They are the experts.

If any doctors say that, they are lying, and should be stripped of their medical licenses.


Zardoz wrote:
How many gunshot wounds have you treated?

Appeals to authority are a logical fallacy.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 08:55 pm
@oralloy,
The ak-47 is the exact same gun except you need to pull the trigger more often.
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Assault weapons were designed to kill large number of people rapidly whether you have to pull the trigger once or several times.
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How do you explain the fact that the emergency doctors, who treat gunshot wounds everyday said they had only seen the baseball size exit wounds on a battlefield?

Weapons of war are designed with one purpose in mind killing the enemy. If you can kill by blowing baseball size holes in the enemy that is a huge plus.
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It does not change the fact that the weapons of war are exactly the same with the same capabilities with the exception that one need only pull the trigger once to empty a 50-round magazine. There is no big difference and mass murderers have simply modified their assault weapons to full-automatic.
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Mass murderers can and have modified their assault weapons to full-automatics the guns are exactly the same. Some even develop a malfunction that allows them to fire in bursts of gun fire.
 

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